Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

Headshot · 08-04-2010 01:25PM

I dont know was it just me who noticed it but Evra looks dead on his feet in the second half, he's hardly ever been rested this season tbf to him, I know we were down to 10 men but I still then he looked well tired

Le King · 08-04-2010 01:29PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

From what watford fans have said, if it was not for Cleverly they would have been relegated ages ago.

Yes I know, but what I'm saying is that he was the best of a bad bunch. I'm not knocking the guy at all for that, what I'm saying is let him have a year in the Premier League. Unless he really is that good and Fergie has confidence in him to do well in the EPL for Manchester United.

Also, just crossed my mind there. What the hell are we going to do with Smalling? I mean we have Brown, Evans, Vidic and Ferdinand. I don't rate him above any of those ATM.

On another note all together is Eikrem's leg definitely broken?

Paleface · 08-04-2010 01:35PM

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

Of our first team squad, I would say about 50% have come through the youth ranks.

(no point talking about regular starters because we rotate so much given the amount of games we have).

I said in the last 4-5 seasons and I assume in that 50% you are including the likes of Gary Neville, Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes, Wes Brown, John O'Shea etc.

I'm trying to make the point that Ferguson has perhaps neglected the youth set up which he may well have to turn to now IF the money rumours are to be believed.

Boggles · 08-04-2010 01:43PM

Headshot wrote: »

tbf the 1999 team was way better than what he have today imo

Thats true. But it is more fair to compare them to the United team 2007-2008.

The poster suggested Fergie is hanging onto players because it reminds him of better times.

My point was depending on what happens this season this could be Fergies most successful peroid, and the notion of better times is wrong.

I certainly havn't written off the league, the next 3 games we play before Chelsea.

Still all to play for unprecented 4th in a row.

Good Times. :pac:

redout · 08-04-2010 01:47PM

Headshot wrote: »

I dont know was it just me who noticed it but Evra looks dead on his feet in the second half, he's hardly ever been rested this season tbf to him, I know we were down to 10 men but I still then he looked well tired

I concur - Evra has played nearly 600mins more than the next closest United player this season which is Rooney. He will probably be knackered by the time the World cup comes around.

Mitch Connor · 08-04-2010 01:50PM

redout wrote: »

I concur - Evra has played nearly 600mins more than the next closest United player this season which is Rooney. He will probably be knackered by the time the World cup comes around.

O'Shea coming back could help him, give him some chance to rest, but there are few games we can afford to go anything less than 100% for imo, so i still can't see Evra missing much.

nicklauski · 08-04-2010 01:53PM

At least now with JOS back, Evra can be rested.

I know it's been said to death at this stage, but, FOOK me, Carrick! And to a certain extent VDS for that first goal. Both were very poor. That's all Im saying on the match last night.

So Blackburn this weekend. Possibly be a rough game. Berba is a certainty to start, I reckon the midfield could be :

Val

Gibbo

Scholes

Nani

Giggs

Giggsy just playing off of Berba. Although Fergie may shock us with 2 up top. Come on Kiko

Pro. F · 08-04-2010 01:58PM

Paleface wrote: »

As much as I respect Ferguson as a manager you have to admit that he has spent his way to success more and more of late. Who has he brought through from the United youth set up who is a regular first team starter in the last 4-5 seasons??

He used to be great at that but not recently. If United do not have money to spend then I hope he has seen this and has talent coming through.

You can not compete properly at the top without spending big now and again (the only manager who has come close to being able to do it is Wenger and even he has failed completely). Fergie hasn't spent his way to success more and more recently, his net spend has actually been very low for most of the time in recent years. You are misremembering if you think that he used to be constantly bringing through youth and never needed to buy in quality - there was one glut of superstar youth and the rest of the time it's been a slow boil just like it is now. His abilities and his strategy of building the squad (yd mixed with various purchases) haven't changed. If we now find ourselves unable to spend, there is still no manager in the world better qualified to keep maximising our possible success. None.

Pro. F · 08-04-2010 02:12PM

Headshot wrote: »

I dont know was it just me who noticed it but Evra looks dead on his feet in the second half, he's hardly ever been rested this season tbf to him, I know we were down to 10 men but I still then he looked well tired

I wouldn't be worried by him looking tired in that game. He got through a ridiculous amount of work, he was nearly doing the job of three players - LB, LW and at times CM. He was freakin everywhere.

Having said that I agree he has played an awful lot of games this season. He deserves a week off, if it's at all possible.

grames_bond · 08-04-2010 02:16PM

Headshot wrote: »

I dont know was it just me who noticed it but Evra looks dead on his feet in the second half, he's hardly ever been rested this season tbf to him, I know we were down to 10 men but I still then he looked well tired

i thaught this too, ifr im being honest when we went to 3-0 i thaught if we get to half time like this i would take him off, the guy needs a rest! he has played practically every game this years hasnt he!? the guy is a legend but he is only human!

Paleface · 08-04-2010 02:18PM

Pro. F wrote: »

You can not compete properly at the top without spending big now and again (the only manager who has come close to being able to do it is Wenger and even he has failed completely). Fergie hasn't spent his way to success more and more recently, his net spend has actually been very low for most of the time in recent years. You are misremembering if you think that he used to be constantly bringing through youth and never needed to buy in quality - there was one glut of superstar youth and the rest of the time it's been a slow boil just like it is now. His abilities and his strategy of building the squad (yd mixed with various purchases) haven't changed. If we now find ourselves unable to spend, there is still no manager in the world better qualified to keep maximising our possible success. None.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Ferguson should go or anything and I think any United supporter who feels that way really knows nothing about football.

I find it hard to believe his net spend in the last few seasons has actually been very low. I can only assume that Ronaldo's transfer to Madrid has distorted those figures somewhat.

I'm thinking about the money he spent on Berbatov, Nani, Anderson, Hargreaves, Carrick, Valencia etc. I'm even tempted to include Rooney in that but to be honest he's worth whatever they paid for him.

None of those players came cheap if you believe the reported transfer fees.

Boggles · 08-04-2010 02:24PM

Paleface wrote: »

I find it hard to believe his net spend in the last few seasons has actually been very low. I can only assume that Ronaldo's transfer to Madrid has distorted those figures somewhat.

Why does the Ronaldo money distort the net spend figures?

You lose the best player in the world the compensation has to be fair and should be included in the net spend.

Anyways I hate this net spend carry the one bollix.

Tis pretty simple, the squad need 2 maybe 3 players.

Fergie was dead right not to spunk the money last summer, it would be unwise not to spend this summer though.

Clubs just don't operate when the window opens, he has is targets they are being watched and the ball is rolling. I have no doubt about it.

Who they are, God knows.

Pro. F · 08-04-2010 02:42PM

Paleface wrote: »

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Ferguson should go or anything and I think any United supporter who feels that way really knows nothing about football.

I find it hard to believe his net spend in the last few seasons has actually been very low. I can only assume that Ronaldo's transfer to Madrid has distorted those figures somewhat.

I'm thinking about the money he spent on Berbatov, Nani, Anderson, Hargreaves, Carrick, Valencia etc. I'm even tempted to include Rooney in that but to be honest he's worth whatever they paid for him.

None of those players came cheap if you believe the reported transfer fees.

It was something like 16m per year since the Glazers before the Ronaldo sale iirc. Now I don't think it's really necessary to get into all that stuff again now, it's been all gone over with a fine-toothed comb many times in this thread. As far as I'm concerned I've seen no evidence that Fergie has become more reliant on buying players for success in recent times. If anyone wants to prove different then they'll need to show us a drop in youth coming through the ranks and an increase in net spend.

SantryRed · 08-04-2010 02:48PM

Cleverley has been the shining light for Watford this season. However, he reminds me exactly of how Chris Eagles was when he came to Watford and we were around the same standard back then. He's a very good Championship player and could definitely play for a lower standard Premiership side, but I don't think he'll be good enough for United's standard.

Mr Alan · 08-04-2010 02:52PM

Boggles wrote: »

Why does the Ronaldo money distort the net spend figures?

You lose the best player in the world the compensation has to be fair and should be included in the net spend.

Anyways I hate this net spend carry the one bollix.

Tis pretty simple, the squad need 2 maybe 3 players.

Fergie was dead right not to spunk the money last summer, it would be unwise not to spend this summer though.

Clubs just don't operate when the window opens, he has is targets they are being watched and the ball is rolling. I have no doubt about it.

Who they are, God knows.

so would you agree then that if Fergie doesn't make a significant investment in 2 or 3 players this summer that he may be telling porkies about having the Ronaldo money available to him?

Paleface · 08-04-2010 02:52PM

Pro. F wrote: »

It was something like 16m per year since the Glazers before the Ronaldo sale iirc. Now I don't think it's really necessary to get into all that stuff again now, it's been all gone over with a fine-toothed comb many times in this thread. As far as I'm concerned I've seen no evidence that Fergie has become more reliant on buying players for success in recent times. If anyone wants to prove different then they'll need to show us a drop in youth coming through the ranks and an increase in net spend.

I don't normally post in this thread so forgive me if we are going back over things that have been discussed previously.

I've just read loads of people saying that Ferguson has to buy this player and buy that player. No one its talking about giving youth a chance.

Dave! · 08-04-2010 02:54PM

SantryRed wrote: »

Cleverley has been the shining light for Watford this season. However, he reminds me exactly of how Chris Eagles was when he came to Watford and we were around the same standard back then. He's a very good Championship player and could definitely play for a lower standard Premiership side, but I don't think he'll be good enough for United's standard.

Let's maybe give him a game before writing him off...

keane2097 · 08-04-2010 02:55PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

so would you agree then that if Fergie doesn't make a significant investment in 2 or 3 players this summer that he may be telling porkies about having the Ronaldo money available to him?

Definitely I would have said.

CR 7 · 08-04-2010 03:02PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

so would you agree then that if Fergie doesn't make a significant investment in 2 or 3 players this summer that he may be telling porkies about having the Ronaldo money available to him?

Not necessarily. I don't think anyone would agree with buying the wrong players just to show we have the money. If the right players aren't available, what do you expect him to do?

keane2097 · 08-04-2010 03:13PM

Park Ji Sung wrote: »

Not necessarily. I don't think anyone would agree with buying the wrong players just to show we have the money. If the right players aren't available, what do you expect him to do?

There are probably dozens of players out there who could drastically improve our midfield.

If we don't buy a midfielder this summer the finances are patently a problem.

This is very much a make or break summer for us - the "no value in the market" excuse will simply not cut it imo.

Vanbis · 08-04-2010 03:18PM

keane2097 wrote: »

This is very much a make or break summer for us - the "no value in the market" excuse will simply not cut it imo.

Agreed.

Getting rid or selling Berbatov, Carrick should get Manutd €30million for both and Foster €3million so add that to the net spend in the transfer budget.

CR 7 · 08-04-2010 03:20PM

keane2097 wrote: »

There are probably dozens of players out there who could drastically improve our midfield.

If we don't buy a midfielder this summer the finances are patently a problem.

This is very much a make or break summer for us - the "no value in the market" excuse will simply not cut it imo.

There might only be one name that Ferguson has narrowed it down to, that is an improvement to the team, what if the club won't sell, at any price? Is that evidence that we have no money for transfers?

Ush1 · 08-04-2010 03:21PM

Boggles wrote: »

Why does the Ronaldo money distort the net spend figures?

You lose the best player in the world the compensation has to be fair and should be included in the net spend.

Anyways I hate this net spend carry the one bollix.

Tis pretty simple, the squad need 2 maybe 3 players.

Fergie was dead right not to spunk the money last summer, it would be unwise not to spend this summer though.

Clubs just don't operate when the window opens, he has is targets they are being watched and the ball is rolling. I have no doubt about it.

Who they are, God knows.

Why was he not right to spend the money last year but this year it would be?

Mitch Connor · 08-04-2010 03:22PM

Paleface wrote: »

I don't normally post in this thread so forgive me if we are going back over things that have been discussed previously.

I've just read loads of people saying that Ferguson has to buy this player and buy that player. No one its talking about giving youth a chance.

Eh, I did, today, in my big long post!:p

Problem is, in midfield terms it would be a big gamble. The best of our youth midfielders would be James, Cleverly and Eikrem imo. Eikrem isn't physically ready (he is quite old for a 'young player' but he has had growth and medical problems that have held back his physical development, needs another season imo) James and Cleverly I'm not sure about, though I do like them both. I think there is room for them in the squad even if we do sign a midfielder or two this summer. They could look to displace Scholes and Giggs at least, given the age of the two players, possibly Anderson, Gibson and maybe even Carrick. If Hargreaves doesn't come back to standard and fully fit, his spot is up for grabs too. So, even if we were to sign Rodwell and Gourcuff, for example, they could still force their way on to the bench. which is, imo, the not a bad position for the two lads to be in.

Pro. F · 08-04-2010 03:26PM

Paleface wrote: »

I don't normally post in this thread so forgive me if we are going back over things that have been discussed previously.

Cool man, no bother. It's always the problem with the super threads.

Paleface wrote: »

I've just read loads of people saying that Ferguson has to buy this player and buy that player. No one its talking about giving youth a chance.

It is an option, I think it was Mitch earlier today who gave a summary of the youth options open to us (others know far more about the youths than me). If we did have to go down that road, it might not be the end of the world in the context of our first team squad which is solid in every other position imo. Personally, I would feel a lot safer if we got in one, maybe two, finished article central midfielders that we wouldn't have to wait for to develope. Then the youth would still have room to make an impression in a few years if any of them prove good enough.

Park Ji Sung wrote: »

Not necessarily. I don't think anyone would agree with buying the wrong players just to show we have the money. If the right players aren't available, what do you expect him to do?

There is no way that there are no central midfielders or ACMs out there who could improve the team. We are relying on Michael Carrick ffs.

Mitch Connor · 08-04-2010 03:29PM

Pro. F wrote: »

Cool man, no bother. It's always the problem with the super threads.

It is an option, I think it was Mitch earlier today who gave a summary of the youth options open to us (others know far more about the youths than me). If we did have to go down that road, it might not be the end of the world in the context of our first team squad which is solid in every other position imo. Personally, I would feel a lot safer if we got in one, maybe two, finished article central midfielders that we wouldn't have to wait for to develope. Then the youth would still have room to make an impression in a few years if any of them prove good enough.

There is no way that there are no central midfielders or ACMs out there who could improve the team. We are relying on Michael Carrick ffs.

Michael Carrick and Darren Gibson!

Pro. F · 08-04-2010 03:33PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Michael Carrick and Darren Gibson!

at least Gibson has one solid asset to his game. Carrick seems to have even lost his defending :eek:

keane2097 · 08-04-2010 03:33PM

Park Ji Sung wrote: »

There might only be one name that Ferguson has narrowed it down to, that is an improvement to the team, what if the club won't sell, at any price? Is that evidence that we have no money for transfers?

Only one player who can improve our midfield on the planet?

I think that's fairly obviously retarded tbh, not worth discussing.

Headshot · 08-04-2010 03:34PM

love to see Banega at utd

with Valencia really struggling financially wise, could be a great opportunity to get him

Ush1 · 08-04-2010 03:36PM

Pro. F wrote: »

There is no way that there are no central midfielders or ACMs out there who could improve the team. We are relying on Michael Carrick ffs.

Course there is but even if one isn't bought, there'll still be the heads in the sand brigade saying the "moneys there if he needs it, just like Fergie always says."

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