Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

Ush1 · 08-04-2010 11:16AM

SlickRic wrote: »

my God Ush.

i'm not a fan, but i read and contribute to this thread and your posts are laughable.

Berba accepting the bench for last night does not mean he wants to leave.

mental logic.

you know it, i know it, we all know it, so stop.

for the love of God, there are actual issues that need to be addressed in the Utd squad which Utd fans are trying to discuss. if you hate Utd, you should be happy enough watching them try to work out, and find a solution to, what's wrong. especially since there's not an awful lot in their price range, and it's entertaining watching Boggles shoot down 99% of suggestions. mostly rightly i must say.

Never said any of this, don't see where you're getting that from.

Mitch Connor · 08-04-2010 11:18AM

Ush1 wrote: »

Ahead of Rooney? Or do you reckon he thought Rooney would still have been played deeper with him up front?

Yeah - I reckon he thought there was a good chance Rooney would be wide again or played deeper. It isn't an outlandish thought.

ROCKMAN · 08-04-2010 11:19AM

PHB wrote: »

For me, the season is close to over. We need Chelsea to slip up and we to win 5 games, and we need to make up the goal difference. Frankly, I think if we win the league this year, it'll be on goal difference. Winning 19 might make up for last night, but this season will ultimately be one where we missed one of the easiest chances to get to the CL final in a long time.

sorry but
What the fcuk are you on about :eek: Winning number 19th was always the main aim this season ,

Last night was a big let down but the big one is still there to be shot at .

Ush1 · 08-04-2010 11:20AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Yeah - I reckon he thought there was a good chance Rooney would be wide again or played deeper. It isn't an outlandish thought.

Fair enough. If he thought that, do you think he will leave in the summer then?

Johner · 08-04-2010 11:22AM

VDS is 40 this year.:eek: Still a world class keeper I'd say there is another year or two in him.

SlickRic · 08-04-2010 11:23AM

sorry PHB,

Ush1 wrote: »

Never said any of this, don't see where you're getting that from.

ok, apologies.

mis-read completely in amongst all the conversation.

your logic for him being happy on the bench is still a bit mental.

Mitch Connor · 08-04-2010 11:25AM

Ush1 wrote: »

Fair enough. If he thought that, do you think he will leave in the summer then?

no idea.

Decent enough chance of it though, wouldn't be surprised if both Fergie and berbatov would be happy at a parting of the ways at the right price.

Also, him not leaving still no indicate he is completely happy - he is, after all, contracted to United and can't leave just because he wants to.

PHB · 08-04-2010 11:25AM

ROCKMAN wrote: »

sorry but
What the fcuk are you on about :eek: Winning number 19th was always the main aim this season ,

Last night was a big let down but the big one is still there to be shot at .

Of course winning 19 is still the main aim, but it doesn't take away from the sour taste in my mouth. It's twice now, this and Porto, where we've missed guilt edged chances to get to the final and it's just not good enough.

Ush1 · 08-04-2010 11:26AM

SlickRic wrote: »

sorry PHB,

ok, apologies.

mis-read completely in amongst all the conversation.

your logic for him being happy on the bench is still a bit mental.

No bother.

My logic is that the realisation he must have is that Rooney will always be ahead of him. If he leaves this summer, fair enough, he isn't happy to be on the bench. He's been bit part for 2 seasons now.

Ush1 · 08-04-2010 11:28AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

no idea.

Decent enough chance of it though, wouldn't be surprised if both Fergie and berbatov would be happy at a parting of the ways at the right price.

Also, him not leaving still no indicate he is completely happy - he is, after all, contracted to United and can't leave just because he wants to.

Sorry now, considering how he left Spurs to come to United that's gas but another days work!:pac:

ROCKMAN · 08-04-2010 11:37AM

PHB wrote: »

Of course winning 19 is still the main aim, but it doesn't take away from the sour taste in my mouth. It's twice now, this and Porto, where we've missed guilt edged chances to get to the final and it's just not good enough.

Porto ok , but this year I Think the CL is reflecting the low standard or drop in standard at the top of the premier league , Personally I think the premier league has been very poor this year , with no outstanding team , We have lost 7 games already this season and put in way to many poor performances to be true and yet we are still in with a chance of winning it. As for a guilt edged chance of this years final ,Would not have been as confident as you of getting pass Lyon

herbieflowers · 08-04-2010 11:50AM

Where is the money going to come from for all these signings people are proposing? I'd doubt if all of the "Ronaldo money" is available. Could see a few players being shipped out to fund transfers. Vidic, Carrick, even Berbatov. Still, you're fighting a losing battle trying to strengthen the squad when you have to sell. United need additions moreso than replacements.

Mitch Connor · 08-04-2010 11:54AM

herbieflowers wrote: »

Where is the money going to come from for all these signings people are proposing? I'd doubt if all of the "Ronaldo money" is available. Could see a few players being shipped out to fund transfers. Vidic, Carrick, even Berbatov. Still, you're fighting a losing battle trying to strengthen the squad when you have to sell. United need additions moreso than replacements.

Personally, I reckon we could maybe get Gourcuff, Rodwell and Milner for 60million, and they'd be 3 players I'd like.

If the Ronaldo money is available then sorted.

If half of it is available, then only 20million needs to be found which could either come from the supposed transfer fund the Glazers promised every season, or a few player sales without too much issue.

I don't think the squad needs a massive overhaul, but i do think it needs some key players in key areas

Vanbis · 08-04-2010 12:04PM

Boggles wrote: »

Benezma, 9-10 months into his contract??
Diego 9-10 months into his contract?
Ribery - Not worth the money
Diarra - Just no.

Benezma will not be happy to continue to sit on the bech next season at Real again. Alot will depend on what happens with Higuain in summer.

Personally i think contracts are worth crap these days, money talks. Ribery, Benezma and Diego would all be worth the cash. Diarra?, i'm happy with flecther but if Hargreaves does not come back next season then surley he must come into consideration.

Ush1 · 08-04-2010 12:08PM

Vanbis wrote: »

Benezma will not be happy to continue to sit on the bech next season at Real again. Alot will depend on what happens with Higuain in summer.

Personally i think contracts are worth crap these days, money talks. Ribery, Benezma and Diego would all be worth the cash. Diarra?, i'm happy with flecther but if Hargreaves does not come back next season then surley he must come into consideration.

Yeah, cash that I doubt United have.

Dave! · 08-04-2010 12:10PM

What makes people think a new striker (eg. Benzema) will make a difference? Berbatov and Rooney seem to be doing well together when we play 442, and there's no reason to believe that Fergie will change the 451 system we've been using in Europe over the last few years, so any new striker will (a) continue to do well alongside Rooney, and (b) sit on the bench in Europe.

Vanbis · 08-04-2010 12:13PM

Ush1 wrote: »

Yeah, cash that I doubt United have.

I'm beginning to wonder that myself with the likes of Neville, Giggs and Scholes all getting new contracts. I think Neville should retire at the end of the season. We have Rafael, O'shea and Brown to fil in.

The summer will be interesting, some major changes needed in the first team squad.

redout · 08-04-2010 12:38PM

SSN: Rooney likely to miss Blackburn game

Vanbis · 08-04-2010 12:41PM

redout wrote: »

SSN: Rooney likely to miss Blackburn game

I think that obvious last night when he was taken off. A big risk last night and one that failed. I wonder what Berbatov thought himself about that. I think he might be gone in the summer.

Pro. F · 08-04-2010 12:44PM

abouttobebanned wrote: »

The funny thing about a situation like this is that if that goal didn't go in before half time and we were contemplating a Lyon semi-final this conversation would have been put on ice. But that's all that would have happened, because it's a conversation that's long over due.

Several years ago I was starting to doubt Fergie, he used to mess around with the team for so called "small" but yet vitally important matches. It used to drive me mental, and time and time again we'd get stung by it. And yet, we were getting to Champion's League finals and constantly in contention to win big trophies.

The man is only human though and there may be a couple of things counting against him at the moment. 1. His age. 2. He's been living in a Manchester United bubble for a long time - a very long time.

Do you think it's unfair to say that he still wants to prove people wrong...has it become an obsession for him to get one over on the likes of Arsene Wenger?

By keeping people like Neville, Scholes and Giggs around is he just clinging on to reminders of better times?

Ok, enough with the rhetorical questions. I think the ideal situation for us this year would be for us to somehow win the league and for Ferguson to retire and take the three amigos with him. No disrespect to any of them, I love them and appreciate what they have done for the club but they are doing little for their reputations by staying on longer than they should.

Then, we need to rebuild. Get in a new manager with a new ethos. Sure, it will be a shock to the system for those red who don't remember a manager other than Alex, but it has to happen sooner or later and everything about this current team screams end of an era. Dunphy and co were just being sensationalist last night...they live in a different time and are unable to watch today's football without lamenting about the game 40 years ago. But, despite all the sensationalist crap, they are right about one thing...that united team that we saw last night are not good enough to represent the Man Utd name.

Man Utd have always had a strong midfielder, Robson, Ince, Keane. Right now, we don't have one and it's so painfully obvious. Carrick...I dunno...he's quite an enigma...was he ever a good player? Maybe, but never good enough for the red shirt. That role is our first port of call. Berbatov was not worth what we paid for him and that has been up there (with Veron) amongst Fergie's worst mistakes. He panic bought that player and he has yet to do anything to convince me that he is world class.

Another clear out is needed in the Summer, I just hope we have the money to replace the - sorry to use the term - dead wood.

This idea that Ferguson is part of the problem is ridiculous. Ferguson is still clearly a massive asset to the club. Talk of us being better off with a new manager is phenomenally premature. To me it is clear that he is still the best manager in the world by a distance. If we make one or two key purchases in the summer our squad will be completely sorted. If we don't it will be because of a lack of finances and it will be a serious problem but there would be no manager better able to cope than Ferguson.

The Muppet · 08-04-2010 12:46PM

redout wrote: »

SSN: Rooney likely to miss Blackburn game

Soft tissue injury , nothing to be concered over.

Boggles · 08-04-2010 01:02PM

abouttobebanned wrote: »

1999 was "better times"

How were they "Better Times"

Headshot · 08-04-2010 01:06PM

Boggles wrote: »

How were they "Better Times"

tbf the 1999 team was way better than what he have today imo

Le King · 08-04-2010 01:07PM

Boggles wrote: »

How were they "Better Times"

Love the sig Boggles.

And as discussed on the last page, I think if we got Gourcuff and a another player like Rodwell or Milner that would be unbelievable.

Doubt we'll get any of the 3.

Prufrock · 08-04-2010 01:07PM

The team we have now is good enough imo. One or two midfielders short of a top notch side.

Paleface · 08-04-2010 01:10PM

Pro. F wrote: »

This idea that Ferguson is part of the problem is ridiculous. Ferguson is still clearly a massive asset to the club. Talk of us being better off with a new manager is phenomenally premature. To me it is clear that he is still the best manager in the world by a distance. If we make one or two key purchases in the summer our squad will be completely sorted. If we don't it will be because of a lack of finances and it will be a serious problem but there would be no manager better able to cope than Ferguson.

As much as I respect Ferguson as a manager you have to admit that he has spent his way to success more and more of late. Who has he brought through from the United youth set up who is a regular first team starter in the last 4-5 seasons??

He used to be great at that but not recently. If United do not have money to spend then I hope he has seen this and has talent coming through.

UnitedIrishman · 08-04-2010 01:11PM

PHB wrote: »

Let's look at the squad:

Goalkeeper
...
Defence
...

Central Midfield
...

Wingers
...

Strikers

***

That said, all this is predicated on having money to spend, which frankly, I think we'll hit a net spend of maybe 20 million this season at most. As such, we're likely to buy just one player.

I agree with most of what you said there PHB and to be honest, it's not as bad as some think. I mean When you look at our defence of O'Shea/Vidic/Rio/Evra - it's one of the best in the world and then look at the back up of Raf/Brown/Evans/Fabio - and they're quality too.

Our wingers are grand as you say, plus Cleverly will be back with us next year and I gather he can play left wing?

Midfield is the big area of concern and there needs to be 2 or 3 brought in if we're to improve it. Mitch mentioned two - Milner and Rodwell are realistic targets - albeit at a high price. Rodwell would be nearly 20m (due to his lengthy contract and his potential) and Milner would be for a nice amount too given Villa are in a position where they don't need to sell. Can't see us going for someone like Gourcuff - who I haven't seen perform in big games. Although we do need someone to break through defences with a pass. Someone like David Silva or Ever Banega would be my choice - but that's probably a pipe dream.

If we sort our midfield out, we'll be back among them again next year. Hell we're there this year, in a year we thought would be a transitional period.

Le King · 08-04-2010 01:14PM

Tom Cleverley was the starlet in a Championship side who are barely going to finish above the relegation zone. Needs a year in the Premiership before trying to force his way into the United team.

UnitedIrishman · 08-04-2010 01:14PM

Paleface wrote: »

As much as I respect Ferguson as a manager you have to admit that he has spent his way to success more and more of late. Who has he brought through from the United youth set up who is a regular first team starter in the last 4-5 seasons??

He used to be great at that but not recently. If United do not have money to spend then I hope he has seen this and has talent coming through.

Of our first team squad, I would say about 50% have come through the youth ranks.

(no point talking about regular starters because we rotate so much given the amount of games we have).

Mitch Connor · 08-04-2010 01:19PM

Osu wrote: »

Tom Cleverley was the starlet in a Championship side who are barely going to finish above the relegation zone. Needs a year in the Premiership before trying to force his way into the United team.

From what watford fans have said, if it was not for Cleverly they would have been relegated ages ago.

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