Ancient Astronauts?

ClearlyEnlight wrote: »

I Agree, this is one reason why most of the thinking is drawn to Egypt and Egypt can be difficult to understand.

I always direct people to Sumer and most people have never heard that Sumer was the first city/state civilization.

Thought the indus valley stuff was earlier? The neolithic citys in turkey are older still. And even earlier.. http://www.newsweek.com/id/233844 and may be a better candidate for eden.

I would agree with Armas22 and read other stuff before Daniken, his stuff is a bit inaccurate.

The ancient astronaut thing is interesting. The indian culture has some very interesting references in the Vedic texts concerning the gods. Descriptions of flying machines(vehmanas?) with descriptions of how they are built, size etc. With one passage which has one god being brought up in one and he comments that he can see the stars even in the daytime. this is explained to him that its because the sky is beneath him. Thats way more compelling stuff than Daniken's IMHO. How the hell would a 5,000 year old bronze age Indian dude know that? Then the description of Shivas great arrow that when fired caused a huge explosion which lifted elephants and houses into the air, killed everyone for miles. Gets better. they describe the cloud that arose like giant parasols in the sky one on top of the other. Which is what happens with big bangs like nukes. the primary cloud is a mushroom(or parasol) but others form above it. Then descriptions of how the rain would fall and kill people even after the blast. Now it could be a description of a volcano, but it's eyebrow raising.

Yea funny enough while I believe we went to the moon *runs and hides* I do think many aspects of our evolutionary history are subdued to the "accepted theory" and sometimes plain, nose on your face wrong. I suspect that site in turkey wont be the first example of advanced thinking. Its 12,000 years old. That's mad stuff. Before that date came out you would have been laughed at if you publishes a paper that reckoned a date like that.

In our current incarnation as fully modern humans(nice ego thang there) we're around at least 150,000 years. Yet apparently we only started getting arty and such 40,000 years ago and even then only in cave paintings and the like. Absence of evidence does not mean evidence of absence. Our Neandertal cousins seemed to have some abstract thought. There's even an example of what may have been a flute made of bone by them and music is as abstract as you can get. Go further back and homo erectus, thought of as strong but dim witted, got as far as asia and the islands of same a million years ago. They had absract thought too. Examples of worked stone that represent "venus" type statues. Very very ancient. Yes there are obvious examples of Greece and Sumer etc, but I strongly suspect earlier stuff.

The great sphinx for example. Unusual structure for the oul egyptian lads. They clad an existing shape in stone and carved a contemporary face in it. I suspect there was something there before, much more ancient and they just recycled it. would explain the cladding, the rain erosion and the head being out of proportion. Given the same egyptian lads knew how to do proportions wonderfully well and kneww how to build big stuff(EG Pyramids, stage right), yet made the sphinx a totally different way?

Every generation, even our own thinks they're sooo clever and better than the previous and ascribe all sorts of explanations to previous ones. Fluke, ancient astronauts, hoax etc. The moon landings a good example *still running...* "How could those people do that then??? :eek: we cant do it today, so it must be a hoax/CT". Same with pyramids. How could those bronze age savages make something like that??? Will, brains and work. That's how. The height of Athens? With its philosophy, art, architecture, science and politics? Less than 40,000 people. Building the great pyramid? About the same size of people. Putting men on the moon? Not much bigger as a core group. That's the size of a GAA match crowd or a croker music gig. Shíte its the size of a west life gig FFS!!

IMHO one of the biggest CT's is how we're led to forget what we're capable of as individuals and groups and dismiss our abilities through the prism of our own viewpoint. Hey we've been doing it a while. The romans saw egypt and though "WTF?? must have been the work of gods" and those little eyetie lads were building unreal stuff that later people thought "WTF? must have been the work of gods". Rinse and repeat.

If alien lads or lasses did show up in the past, well they came to look, maybe to teach, but maybe to learn too. If they did show up way back, I like to imagine somewhere out there, there was an egyptian guy going "yea you've explained anti gravity cranes, but its not a cube, its a pyramid. Py ra mid. Oh yea and your food leaves something to be desired. what I wouldnt give for some decent figs. Can you take me home on your sky boat? My work is done and the wifes expecting me for dinner and your weapons are nothing compared to her irritation. Actually shes better at drawing plans BTW and I need a rest".