Ancient Astronauts?

mawdz

Due to boredom in work i've recently been reading alot about Sumaria and the beliefs of the Sumarians. They were the first culture to invent writing and alot of their writings speak about god descending from the heavens (Just like most mainstream religions) but there drawings and statues are what amazed me. drawings of oddly shaped people, odd shaped vehicles, and some of people which look like there in spacesuits. The sumarians speak of many gods not just one and said they used to visit them from the heavens. Im curious could ti be possible that all main stream religions are based on this because it actually did occur???

Mahatma coat

Have you Researched any of the Work of Erik von Dainiken???

He made a docco called 'Charriots of the Gods' which covers this in some detail.

Hang on a Mo, Shatner did a version of the same thing in the Seventies

Its in here somewhere
http://www.theopensource.tv/browse-extraterrestrials-videos-1-date.html

I do think that there may be something to the theories meself, I will elaborate on it a bit later when I getr a chance to straighten outme thoughts and find the old threads we had on this.

Lone Stone

Yea i was kinda the same as the op last year seen some panic post about 2012 and when i was reading up about it and where it came from reading back through stuff it just kinda lead into the sumerians some how and i found that fascinating looking at the relics from there old cities and the sculpture's of cone head's and everything they said.

But here your just going to get two side's of the extreme when you try have a conversation about you get the DO YOU BELEAVE IN UNICORNS TO ?? response... or the nutty this is true open your mind crap.

Personally true, maybe , maybe not, Why would they lie. I wish they taught more about the sumerians when i was in school it'd have turned into a nerd.

Planing on making short animation based off some of it some time.. i feel compelled to do it lol. Even tho people give me an odd look when i say maybe we evolved from a genetically modified pre human...

suey71

[ I wish they taught more about the sumerians when i was in school]

Why is it only the Romans, Greeks and Egyptians that we are thought about in school?

Why are we not thought about the Sumarians?

To be honest I only heard about the Sumarians through reading this forum, and then I discovered Erik Von Dainiken.

Lone Stone

suey71 wrote: »

[ I wish they taught more about the sumerians when i was in school]

Why is it only the Romans, Greeks and Egyptians that we are thought about in school?

Why are we not thought about the Sumarians?

To be honest I only heard about the Sumarians through reading this forum, and then I discovered Erik Von Dainiken.

I would say most likely because what they say has been brushed aside originaly as myth's & legends. Also if most schools are church run i dont think they would want questions raised against there beliefs either even more so in the past you would be hanged for talking about this type of stuff.

Also just watched that chariot of the gods thansk for the link that was amazing

Armas22

Sumerian history is fascinating. I think the reason it's not taught in schools is that there's still a lot of debate about it - some of the theories are so amazing that it might take a long time yet to have a concensus. Also, the fact that the area concerned is in modern Iraq, and that the Iraqi national museum was looted of many of its precious artefacts after the last invasion doen't help either.

There are a few books worth checking out. I suggest Legend: The genesis of civilisation by David Rohl, which looks at Sumerian history, and particularly its potential effect on modern religions (Rohl speculates that the Garden of Eden was and is a real location in the Zagros mountains), and The Space Gods Revealed by Ronal Storey, which takes all of Von Daniken's examples and gives more plausible and mundane explanations.

ClearlyEnlight

Sumerian history is fascinating. I think the reason it's not taught in schools is that there's still a lot of debate about it - some of the theories are so amazing that it might take a long time yet to have a concensus. Also, the fact that the area concerned is in modern Iraq, and that the Iraqi national museum was looted of many of its precious artefacts after the last invasion doen't help either.

I Agree, this is one reason why most of the thinking is drawn to Egypt and Egypt can be difficult to understand.

I always direct people to Sumer and most people have never heard that Sumer was the first city/state civilization.

Torakx

Armas22 wrote: »

Sumerian history is fascinating. I think the reason it's not taught in schools is that there's still a lot of debate about it - some of the theories are so amazing that it might take a long time yet to have a concensus. Also, the fact that the area concerned is in modern Iraq, and that the Iraqi national museum was looted of many of its precious artefacts after the last invasion doen't help either.

There are a few books worth checking out. I suggest Legend: The genesis of civilisation by David Rohl, which looks at Sumerian history, and particularly its potential effect on modern religions (Rohl speculates that the Garden of Eden was and is a real location in the Zagros mountains), and The Space Gods Revealed by Ronal Storey, which takes all of Von Daniken's examples and gives more plausible and mundane explanations.

Do you have any links to show the Iraq national museum was looted and links to show what was in it?
I often wondered if there was artifacts there or its just another CT.

Armas22

No, sorry. I just read it on news reports at the time.

Wibbs

ClearlyEnlight wrote: »

I Agree, this is one reason why most of the thinking is drawn to Egypt and Egypt can be difficult to understand.

I always direct people to Sumer and most people have never heard that Sumer was the first city/state civilization.

Thought the indus valley stuff was earlier? The neolithic citys in turkey are older still. And even earlier.. http://www.newsweek.com/id/233844 and may be a better candidate for eden.

I would agree with Armas22 and read other stuff before Daniken, his stuff is a bit inaccurate.

The ancient astronaut thing is interesting. The indian culture has some very interesting references in the Vedic texts concerning the gods. Descriptions of flying machines(vehmanas?) with descriptions of how they are built, size etc. With one passage which has one god being brought up in one and he comments that he can see the stars even in the daytime. this is explained to him that its because the sky is beneath him. Thats way more compelling stuff than Daniken's IMHO. How the hell would a 5,000 year old bronze age Indian dude know that? Then the description of Shivas great arrow that when fired caused a huge explosion which lifted elephants and houses into the air, killed everyone for miles. Gets better. they describe the cloud that arose like giant parasols in the sky one on top of the other. Which is what happens with big bangs like nukes. the primary cloud is a mushroom(or parasol) but others form above it. Then descriptions of how the rain would fall and kill people even after the blast. Now it could be a description of a volcano, but it's eyebrow raising.

Torakx

Or eden could have been a metaphor for a time when man was one with earth as in a vegetative state
Not my belief just what i have been reading in "The Secret History Of The World" a book supposedly on freemasons beliefs.
In the book he goes through all the myths and legends from around the world and ties them together with the bible etc.
Explaining that the lamp of Osirius(the moon i think) shone on the pineal gland back when mankind was still evolving.a qoute from the book of job 29 2-4
"Oh that i was as in the times of old, when God watched over me, when his lamp shone on my head"
He theoriezes that the pineal gland later sunk down to the center of the brain and the hole at the top of the skull cap closed up over time thus breaking the link we had to mother earth and osirius etc and creating consciousness.

Dont know if its true but its sure interesting to read lol

Wibbs

Yea funny enough while I believe we went to the moon *runs and hides* I do think many aspects of our evolutionary history are subdued to the "accepted theory" and sometimes plain, nose on your face wrong. I suspect that site in turkey wont be the first example of advanced thinking. Its 12,000 years old. That's mad stuff. Before that date came out you would have been laughed at if you publishes a paper that reckoned a date like that.

In our current incarnation as fully modern humans(nice ego thang there) we're around at least 150,000 years. Yet apparently we only started getting arty and such 40,000 years ago and even then only in cave paintings and the like. Absence of evidence does not mean evidence of absence. Our Neandertal cousins seemed to have some abstract thought. There's even an example of what may have been a flute made of bone by them and music is as abstract as you can get. Go further back and homo erectus, thought of as strong but dim witted, got as far as asia and the islands of same a million years ago. They had absract thought too. Examples of worked stone that represent "venus" type statues. Very very ancient. Yes there are obvious examples of Greece and Sumer etc, but I strongly suspect earlier stuff.

The great sphinx for example. Unusual structure for the oul egyptian lads. They clad an existing shape in stone and carved a contemporary face in it. I suspect there was something there before, much more ancient and they just recycled it. would explain the cladding, the rain erosion and the head being out of proportion. Given the same egyptian lads knew how to do proportions wonderfully well and kneww how to build big stuff(EG Pyramids, stage right), yet made the sphinx a totally different way?

Every generation, even our own thinks they're sooo clever and better than the previous and ascribe all sorts of explanations to previous ones. Fluke, ancient astronauts, hoax etc. The moon landings a good example *still running...* "How could those people do that then??? :eek: we cant do it today, so it must be a hoax/CT". Same with pyramids. How could those bronze age savages make something like that??? Will, brains and work. That's how. The height of Athens? With its philosophy, art, architecture, science and politics? Less than 40,000 people. Building the great pyramid? About the same size of people. Putting men on the moon? Not much bigger as a core group. That's the size of a GAA match crowd or a croker music gig. Shíte its the size of a west life gig FFS!!

IMHO one of the biggest CT's is how we're led to forget what we're capable of as individuals and groups and dismiss our abilities through the prism of our own viewpoint. Hey we've been doing it a while. The romans saw egypt and though "WTF?? must have been the work of gods" and those little eyetie lads were building unreal stuff that later people thought "WTF? must have been the work of gods". Rinse and repeat.

If alien lads or lasses did show up in the past, well they came to look, maybe to teach, but maybe to learn too. If they did show up way back, I like to imagine somewhere out there, there was an egyptian guy going "yea you've explained anti gravity cranes, but its not a cube, its a pyramid. Py ra mid. Oh yea and your food leaves something to be desired. what I wouldnt give for some decent figs. Can you take me home on your sky boat? My work is done and the wifes expecting me for dinner and your weapons are nothing compared to her irritation. Actually shes better at drawing plans BTW and I need a rest".

Mahatma coat

I've been sayin the same thing About here in Australia Wibbs, the Abboriginees have been here for something between 80 and 60 Thousand years, I believe that there were more advanced societies here, but given the nature of 'Human Nature' they probably Kicked seven Shades of Sh1t out of each other over something absofvckinlutley Pointless some 50 thousand years ago, it would only take a few centuries for most of the evidence of their existance to disapear and their knowledge to be lost forever, leavin us with some tantalising snippets painted on Rocks and the dreamtime creation myth.

Lab_Mouse

Mahatma coat wrote: »

it would only take a few centuries for most of the evidence of their existance to disapear and their knowledge to be lost forever

Have to agree with you there mahatma.I would say alot of civilisations have been lost that way.And a lot of there technology and methods of construction too.

Emme

Does anyone wonder how and why lines were drawn in the desert at Nazca? They could only be truly appreciated from a height, so how were they planned and designed?

mawdz

There are many different theories to this. Some believes slaves were forced to create these as punishment. Other say it was the ancient astronauts leaving markers to where they have landed previously and where are good landing spots. Others just say more geograhical reason. Frankly i dont think anyone can truly say a diffenite reason and give appropriate evidence so thats what makes them so fascinating.

gbee

It was a long held theory of mine and the early Roman wars were conducted with the support of the Gods ~ some notable defeats are ascribed to the generals waging war without their assistance.

Not all Romans believed in the Gods or that the Gods were always on their side. Signs in the sky were looked for and often waited upon before launching major campaigns.

Some historians have dismissed these accounts as no more than astrology ~ and true too there were many of these practitioners about too, just to muddy the waters so to speak.

Monkey see monkey do theory.

The ancient Aztec used to perform ritual slaughter on hilltops and custom built structures, they specialised in removing the still beating heart from victims ~ I often thought that they may have observed open heart surgery and when these ‘Gods’ departed they emulated this in the hope that they would return. The ‘Gods’ through the eons seem to have been benefactors, though vengeful, powerful and destructive along with it.

Modern western religions certainly have a basis from these events. However, there was a fundamental change at the collapse of Rome that a small group could still rule without the force of arms or the expense of a standing army ~ the Italian Roman Empire remnants was corralled into the Roman Catholic Church with all the pomp, ceremony and wealth and it exists to this day.

gbee

Emme wrote: »

Does anyone wonder how and why lines were drawn in the desert at Nazca? They could only be truly appreciated from a height, so how were they planned and designed?

Whilst the theory remains as to why, it is now known that these are pilgrim passages where prayer and devotions would have been conducted.

They walked the outlines ~ did they make them or find them? They certainly made some of them ~ and a theory of a theme for the year [like China's Year of The Dog etc] may explain the overlaying of different patterns.

This region is a victim of climate change and was once very fertile, the laying down of the lines is known to originate from this time. A desperate civilisation turning to prayer an image ideology by inscribing a picture of a butterfly and walking their outlines in devotion in an attempt to attract back these long gone species.

Sadly we know that as of this time, their prayers have not been answered.

Ash.J.Williams

Some of the imagery alone is enough to suggest that we had visitors (creators), some of the ancient inscriptions are like modern sci fi. In fact i am sure our gods and creators are alien, we have been abandoned though it seems!

gbee

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

In fact i am sure our gods and creators are alien, we have been abandoned though it seems!

Yes, seemingly.

One theory is the distance involved, which lessons at times.

Other theories involve the 'Gods' having been on our sister planets, Venus and Mars ~ both seemingly had productive periods like our Earth is today ~ but not in the pre-history time we are discussing so their intervention can be ruled out ~ except for perhaps they fled both planets and set up on Earth ~ but again because of the time difference it's not plausible for 'modern day' intervention.

Ash.J.Williams

I remember reading tonnes of articles (you really have to sift thorugh and filter out all the crap) that pointed towards homosapiens being used on earth to mine for valuable minerals for our superior gods. We are a form of perfected slave. The more advanced we became, the more lies were told ie the bible. THe further we can go back the more honest the accounts are i reckon.

Lab_Mouse

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

THe further we can go back the more honest the accounts are i reckon.

What makes you think that?The city states in Sumer were constantly at war with each other over goods and indeed for power.They schemed much as we do now

mawdz

What i find most interesting is the fact things like this are mention in the bible and other religious writings without readin into it. "The gods descended from heaven" and so on is a prime example. Religious people will say its all metaphors and such but how can one religion at one side of the world use the same metaphor as another at the other side of the world. Strange IMO

Lab_Mouse

mawdz wrote: »

but how can one religion at one side of the world use the same metaphor as another at the other side of the world. Strange IMO

I would say because they were human,looking past the fact they were Mayan or Sumerian.Also I think from year dot people have always been looking at the stars and the moon and wondering.I think back then associating gods with strange things hanging in the sky is understandable

beans

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Some of the imagery alone is enough to suggest that we had visitors... some of the ancient inscriptions are like modern sci fi....

Aha, but is it not also true that some modern Sci-Fi is like ancient inscriptions? More relevant I'd guess.

fontanalis

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I remember reading tonnes of articles (you really have to sift thorugh and filter out all the crap) that pointed towards homosapiens being used on earth to mine for valuable minerals for our superior gods. We are a form of perfected slave. The more advanced we became, the more lies were told ie the bible. THe further we can go back the more honest the accounts are i reckon.

What had to be sifted out of that story?

fontanalis

Mahatma coat wrote: »

I've been sayin the same thing About here in Australia Wibbs, the Abboriginees have been here for something between 80 and 60 Thousand years, I believe that there were more advanced societies here, but given the nature of 'Human Nature' they probably Kicked seven Shades of Sh1t out of each other over something absofvckinlutley Pointless some 50 thousand years ago, it would only take a few centuries for most of the evidence of their existance to disapear and their knowledge to be lost forever, leavin us with some tantalising snippets painted on Rocks and the dreamtime creation myth.

I'm sure evidence of these wars have been found or Australia never offered much in the way of domesticated crops or animals for a large settled civilisation to emerge.

Mahatma coat

We do have a reasonably decent selection of Fruits Veg and berries that can be commercially harvested if the need arose, and as For Meat, well we have Kangaroos, very tasty they are too.

I believe that if there was an advance Civilisation here it was in the North, Arnemland or the Ord river would be my bet as to where it was, odly enough its the area with the mostYellowcake too:eek:

Torakx

Interesting you speak of australia and higher powers.I was watching a documentary yesterday and it was mentioned that the NWO are considering australias parliment for the new world government and that is why it is way bigger than what australia needs.
Maybe Mahatma coat will know something more on that.

Ash.J.Williams

I am getting more and more obsessed with Sumer by the day! Can we all agree or disagree that at the very least something very unexplainable (and probably incorrectly explained) occured, in the Middle east and other places such as South America, that absolutely changed the world until christians ruined the buzz!



Were we visited by aliens in the past?
Did genetic engineering take place between Alien DNA and our ancestors to create homosapiens?
Can much of the magic contained in religious accounts be explained by Aliens?
Do you think the levels of understanding, development and evolution that took place in ancient Sumer is normal, or was there a sudden exponential growth, in humankinds development?
Do you think we homosapiens are the product of years of evolution or could something have happened along the way to accellerate our development?

TalkieWalkie

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I am getting more and more obsessed with Sumer by the day! Can we all agree or disagree that at the very least something very unexplainable (and probably incorrectly explained) occured, in the Middle east and other places such as South America, that absolutely changed the world until christians ruined the buzz!



Were we visited by aliens in the past?
Did genetic engineering take place between Alien DNA and our ancestors to create homosapiens?
Can much of the magic contained in religious accounts be explained by Aliens?
Do you think the levels of understanding, development and evolution that took place in ancient Sumer is normal, or was there a sudden exponential growth, in humankinds development?
Do you think we homosapiens are the product of years of evolution or could something have happened along the way to accellerate our development?

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