Pubs on Thursday before Good Friday?

billybigunz · 30-03-2010 09:13PM

dsmythy wrote: »

People's beliefs are overlapping and conflicting. Some don't like the scenes you find in town centres across the country and feel their own freedom is restricted as a result. They can walk the streets in security on a Tuesday night but not a Saturday night. What about their freedoms on those nights? Of course if you deny people the right to engage in activities that affect the freedoms of others somebody's going to be upset as somebody loses that civil liberty they beleive they have.

Why can't I urinate on a busy street in broad daylight. My freedom! Why can't I lay here on the bench high from my heroin with my baby by my side without ending up in jail? My liberty! Why can't i hate gay people? My beliefs! Why can't I buy alcohol on Good Friday? You can't. Deal with it is my sole advice I'm afraid.

I give your post 1/10.

landsleaving · 30-03-2010 09:17PM

dsmythy wrote: »

Why can't I urinate on a busy street in broad daylight. My freedom! Why can't I lay here on the bench high from my heroin with my baby by my side without ending up in jail? My liberty! Why can't i hate gay people? My beliefs! Why can't I buy alcohol on Good Friday? You can't. Deal with it is my sole advice I'm afraid.

But you can't do any of the other stuff ever. (Well you can hate gay people all you want, it just makes you a nasty person.) But you CAN buy alcohol every other day of the year except certain religious days, which have no meaning for many. It really is rather simple and if you think it's comparable to any of the other things you mentioned then really there's little point in anyone trying to convince you to change your mind.

If Catholics want to observe the tradition they can do it, no one would deny them abstaining, so why should their beliefs be forced on the rest of the populace? All anyone ever says when arguing the other side is that 'you can go without drink for one day' but to say that is to miss the point entirely and more than likely intentionally.

robinph · 30-03-2010 09:18PM

dsmythy wrote: »

They could always try and turn it into a non-alcohol day to help combat binge drinking culture. Could have a few events on on the day where people can enjoy activities they might not usually engage in without the need for alcohol at a lower cost than normal. You know an evening on the streets of Dublin or wherever you may be without piss, vomit and regular violent scenes. There's more to us than this surely! One day to show it a year.

No problem with that, it would at least mean that there is something to do. Seeing as we are always asked "Why can't you go without drink for one day a year?" then why not give the option of something else to do.

robinph wrote: »

What is open for business on the evening of the 2nd?

I'm guessing that the answer to this is that nothing is open then?

dsmythy · 30-03-2010 09:20PM

billybigunz wrote: »

I give your post 1/10.

I demand to know where you docked me 9 points. It's my... er.... right!

Basically if you want to drink alcohol on Friday you can buy your drink in advance and drink it. Pubs won't sell you it on the day because it is against the law. Your 'right' to drink alcohol is unaffected if you pre-plan. Licensed premises will most likely be closed so you can't drink it there. Sorry. Enjoy your alcohol.

billybigunz · 30-03-2010 09:23PM

dsmythy wrote: »

I demand to know where you docked me 9 points. It's my... er.... right!

Basically if you want to drink alcohol on Friday you can buy your drink in advance and drink it. Pubs won't sell you it on the day because it is against the law. Your 'right' to drink alcohol is unaffected if you pre-plan. Licensed premises will most likely be closed so you can't drink it there. Sorry. Enjoy your alcohol.

Your don't like it lump it attitude is laughable. Did you hear what happened when a load of Limerick publicans made a fuss?
Ever hear of lobbying for change?

I'm fairly certain that this archaic law won't exist in a few years and we can expect much more liberal licencing laws thanks to public pressure and lobbyists.

dsmythy · 30-03-2010 09:31PM

billybigunz wrote: »

Your don't like it lump it attitude is laughable. Did you hear what happened when a load of Limerick publicans made a fuss?
Ever hear of lobbying for change?

I'm fairly certain that this archaic law won't exist in a few years and we can expect much more liberal licencing laws thanks to public pressure and lobbyists.

I'm only having this discussion at all because I don't get why people can't simply do something else with their day other than drink. I can understand publicans not liking it because they lose out on profit. I don't understand people being dead set against it without their lives being non-affected by it in the long term. If next year all the pubs were open I wouldn't care and could well end up in a pub on the day. I won't be in a pub on Friday and I really don't care.

Pushtrak · 30-03-2010 09:49PM

dsmythy wrote: »

I'm only having this discussion at all because I don't get why people can't simply do something else with their day other than drink.

If religion was saying people could not do anything on a given day, I'd be against whatever the point of discussion was. Religion has no place dictating how we (as a country) go about our days. It can tell people in the sense of its flock what to do.

This point is intertwined with the meat discussion. At least meat is still for sale. And people like to throw out that "its just one day". Do you have a similar sentiment of why can't people eat something different for just one day? The same point I will make on both counts, why should we?

I invariably get something like "its the nice thing to do" or its the right thing to do. I ask why, and generally get the nonsense that apologists likely are about to spout off at their monitors. Before replying, be aware, a religious argument isn't going to be compelling to a non religious person.

Just curious as a general question to all the "its just one day" people. Is there anything that would be one step too far that "its just one day" doesn't justify for you? Or is it a one answer fits all type thing?

If next year all the pubs were open I wouldn't care and could well end up in a pub on the day.

Good for you. It is just one day, but you could very well find yourself in a position where you'll be with friends and going to a pub, just like many of us, I'm sure. See, the just one day point is inane, and you have just countered it yourself. Thank you.

I won't be in a pub on Friday and I really don't care.

I don't know if I will myself. I'm from Limerick, but I hate rugby. I'll probably head out for a bit, but I'm sure places will be far too packed.

As for your not caring, well, you have contributed a lot to the thread. It seems you care to some degree.

landsleaving · 30-03-2010 09:51PM

dsmythy wrote: »

I'm only having this discussion at all because I don't get why people can't simply do something else with their day other than drink. I can understand publicans not liking it because they lose out on profit. I don't understand people being dead set against it without their lives being non-affected by it in the long term. If next year all the pubs were open I wouldn't care and could well end up in a pub on the day. I won't be in a pub on Friday and I really don't care.

It's not about not having anything else to do. It's the principle of a law being forced on people based on the religious beliefs of others. Of course people could do other things and of course there are 363 days when the pubs are open, but that isn't the issue here at all. Some are just not happy to have the beliefs of others forced on them. Honestly, I don't even go to the pub that much because it's too expensive, but I'm still opposed to this law. At least try to understand where others are coming from, I can see your point, it is just one day, but it stands for something which many don't agree with.

claire.k · 30-03-2010 09:55PM

I dont if its been asked. Was planning on going out sunday or monday, is it business as usual for pubs and clubs on those days?

Jesus Wept · 30-03-2010 10:12PM

fontanalis wrote: »

I remember the viper rooms on the quays being opened before, for a price of course.

Dignity?

dsmythy · 30-03-2010 10:14PM

Pushtrak wrote: »

If religion was saying people could not do anything on a given day, I'd be against whatever the point of discussion was. Religion has no place dictating how we (as a country) go about our days. It can tell people in the sense of its flock what to do.

This point is intertwined with the meat discussion. At least meat is still for sale. And people like to throw out that "its just one day". Do you have a similar sentiment of why can't people eat something different for just one day? The same point I will make on both counts, why should we?

I invariably get something like "its the nice thing to do" or its the right thing to do. I ask why, and generally get the nonsense that apologists likely are about to spout off at their monitors. Before replying, be aware, a religious argument isn't going to be compelling to a non religious person.

Just curious as a general question to all the "its just one day" people. Is there anything that would be one step too far that "its just one day" doesn't justify for you? Or is it a one answer fits all type thing?

As for your not caring, well, you have contributed a lot to the thread. It seems you care to some degree.

Perhaps you'd prefer the idea I offered earlier in the thread on the day where non-alcoholic events are organised at discounted prices on the day in a no alcohol day, alcohol still being illegal to sell. It still harks back to the Good Friday religious reasons but the main purpose isn't it's religious aspect much like Easter and Christmas are about eggs and Santa but the days themselves link back to an original religious meaning.

I take your point about meat. As Good Friday is stripped away the non-damaging aspects will fall first. With alcohol and it's harmful effects however i see a reason to earmark it as something that can still remain illegal to sell on the day with non-religious reasons behind it primarily even if the banning traces it's roots to religion.

With our disasterous attitude to drink in this country I think the "just one day" we ban it's sale and reflect on how it leaves us on the day is an interesting thing to do. I'm not a religious person so i'm not going to threaten you with the wrath of god here.

Me saying I don't care? I guess i was saying that in comparison with the couple of people here feeling so strongly against the day. Compared to them my feelings on the religious aspects of the day is less caring. I guess i could of been clearer there.

billybigunz · 30-03-2010 10:22PM

Why not have that day on some specific Wednesday to disassociate any religous meaning.

It's still a violation of peoples civil liberties IMO.

dsmythy · 30-03-2010 10:28PM

billybigunz wrote: »

Why not have that day on some specific Wednesday to disassociate any religous meaning.

It's still a violation of peoples civil liberties IMO.

I can understand where you're coming from. I'd like to keep it on the day it's traditionally been. We're not about to exchange 'Christmas' presents in June and have the kids expecting 'Easter' eggs in November to avoid religion after all. I'm not one for total civil liberties myself so that's always going to be something we won't agree on.

billybigunz · 30-03-2010 10:34PM

dsmythy wrote: »

I can understand where you're coming from. I'd like to keep it on the day it's traditionally been. We're not about to exchange 'Christmas' presents in June and have the kids expecting 'Easter' eggs in November to avoid religion after all. I'm not one for total civil liberties myself so that's always going to be something we won't agree on.

Exchanging gifts and Easter eggs gave nothing to do with religion. Christmas isn't a religous holiday for me, more a midwinter celebration.

Cupcake_Crisis · 30-03-2010 10:35PM

So all places thast sell alcohol are closing at midnight on thursday? Even fibbers?? Cos that kinda ruins my plans

Pushtrak · 30-03-2010 10:35PM

dsmythy wrote: »

Perhaps you'd prefer the idea I offered earlier in the thread on the day where non-alcoholic events are organised at discounted prices on the day in a no alcohol day, alcohol still being illegal to sell.

See, the alcohol being illegal to sell on a given day because its the Catholic thing to do. Screw other religions, they'll just have to make do. I can't really endorse such a position. It is illogical.

I take your point about meat. As Good Friday is stripped away the non-damaging aspects will fall first. With alcohol and it's harmful effects however i see a reason to earmark it as something that can still remain illegal to sell on the day with non-religious reasons behind it primarily even if the banning traces it's roots to religion.

But, I think alcohol should be on the same step as meat. As in, both should be available to buy. I can still walk into a shop get a breakfast roll, or have a steak that day, even though religion says I shouldn't. Why should religion have the power to allow pubs close? It should have an understanding that Catholicism requests an abstinence from meat and alcohol.

With our disasterous attitude to drink in this country I think the "just one day" we ban it's sale and reflect on how it leaves us on the day is an interesting thing to do. I'm not a religious person so i'm not going to threaten you with the wrath of god here.

Consider how many people go out weekend in, weekend out, wake up wrecked off their face. If that bit of insight into alcohol isn't doing them any good, I don't think the absence* of it for one day is going to change anything, in fairness.

* An absence I would question on the large scale. Especially for the type who would have a daily trek to the off licence who would be the type most in need of an actual day off drink.

landsleaving · 30-03-2010 10:38PM

Just as a random aside, do any Catholics disagree with the idea of abstention being forced on them, rather than it being a conscious choice? It is supposed to be a sacrifice, rather than a punishment, so religiously the law against opening the pubs is massively flawed. Surely it makes more sense that the pubs be open, but that good Catholics don't go to them as they normally would, thus entailing personal sacrifice rather than enforced sacrifice, which hardly holds the same meaning and is hardly a sacrifice at all.

Just a thought, would be interested to hear what people think.

dsmythy · 30-03-2010 10:47PM

Pushtrak wrote: »

See, the alcohol being illegal to sell on a given day because its the Catholic thing to do. Screw other religions, they'll just have to make do. I can't really endorse such a position. It is illogical.

Fair enough on the rest of the post. As for this, the no alcohol day i propose is basically a secular replacement for the original religious Good Friday. I doubt non-Catholic Christians will be too upset by it and religious Muslims might actually approve of it.

oppenheimer1 · 30-03-2010 10:54PM

nm wrote: »

Im off work on Friday, and I want to go out on Thursday.. why can I not?? Cos some draconian law brought about by the worlds largest paedophile ring says I cant??

THAT is a joke. And what I do with other 200 days of the year is my own business.

Anyway obviously going to some nightclub in Leixlip is not going to happen, I'm just asking about pubs here, I'm pretty sure nowhere really opens at midnight on Friday so I was wondering if we at least got to choose what we do on Thursday night but it appears we dont get that night either.

Tramco might be a shout, have to investigate...

Never mind catholics, but all christains are paedophiles now?

ScumLord · 30-03-2010 10:57PM

Hotel booked, they serve drink in the hotels right?

oppenheimer1 · 30-03-2010 10:57PM

Pushtrak wrote: »

See, the alcohol being illegal to sell on a given day because its the Catholic thing to do. Screw other religions, they'll just have to make do. I can't really endorse such a position. It is illogical.

But, I think alcohol should be on the same step as meat. As in, both should be available to buy. I can still walk into a shop get a breakfast roll, or have a steak that day, even though religion says I shouldn't. Why should religion have the power to allow pubs close? It should have an understanding that Catholicism requests an abstinence from meat and alcohol.

Consider how many people go out weekend in, weekend out, wake up wrecked off their face. If that bit of insight into alcohol isn't doing them any good, I don't think the absence* of it for one day is going to change anything, in fairness.

* An absence I would question on the large scale. Especially for the type who would have a daily trek to the off licence who would be the type most in need of an actual day off drink.

Good Friday is the only night in which Dublin is actually nice to walk around late at night. The Good Friday laws are an interesting experiment in the relationship between drinking and public order offences. I can bet GF is a quieter day for the guards and staff at A&E because of the rules.

oppenheimer1 · 30-03-2010 10:58PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Hotel booked, they serve drink in the hotels right?

No, only on trains and in Limerick as far as I believe.

billybigunz · 30-03-2010 10:58PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Never mind catholics, but all christains are paedophiles now?

About 80% are. The rest are paedo enablers.

landsleaving · 30-03-2010 11:10PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Hotel booked, they serve drink in the hotels right?

Only with a meal

happymondays · 31-03-2010 12:55AM

billybigunz wrote: »

Exchanging gifts and Easter eggs gave nothing to do with religion. Christmas isn't a religous holiday for me, more a midwinter celebration.

i persume as it infriges on yours civil rights you have complained to your employer that you want to work during christmas time as you dont want religious laws forced on you? likewise this coming easter monday, i take it you'l be working as some sort of protest?

dsmythy · 31-03-2010 01:26AM

billybigunz wrote: »

Exchanging gifts and Easter eggs gave nothing to do with religion. Christmas isn't a religous holiday for me, more a midwinter celebration.

Winterval i believe they like to call it. No cribs to be found in that festival you'll be glad to know.

nxbyveromdwjpg · 31-03-2010 06:22PM

Tramco isnt open, dont know where that rumour came from.

Looks like theres no exceptions at all??

POXY

ScumLord · 31-03-2010 06:28PM

landsleaving wrote: »

Only with a meal

But Guinness is a meal.

I like all these holidays because it means no work, I don't want them to go if it means we work instead.

dvpower · 31-03-2010 06:39PM

nm wrote: »

Looks like theres no exceptions at all??

Limerick.

rubadub · 31-03-2010 07:13PM

delta_bravo wrote: »

Last orders would be 11 30 anyway so its not exactly an inconvenience

Last orders are 12:30 on a thursday, if the pub chooses to open that late, has been for many years
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2000/en/act/pub/0017/print.html

df1985 wrote: »

i love going out too as much if not more than the average person, but going to a nightclub at 8 o clock because itll close at 12??? thats a bit sad to me.

Not all people work 9 to 5 jobs, so for many 8-12 would be the equivalent of whatever hours you typically like to choose. It is sad that not only do we suffer this nonsensical one day closing, but publicans are still subject to licensing hours which date back to world war I, while most other business are free to pick and chose their opening & closing hours. And contrary to what some people think pubs are not forced to open, my local stops serving at 11.30 on thursdays.

Pubs on Thursday before Good Friday?

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