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Can you speak Irish?

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    Im not a provo


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,035 ✭✭✭uch


    rovert wrote: »
    Im not a provo


    your point is ??

    22/25



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    Not a second language and at 5/6 years old, they have enough to learn already without another difficult language forced upon them. Just my opinion, but I'm sure some people will agree.

    Nah, kids pick it up really well.

    My niece went to France when she was 4 and came back fluent in French and English two years later.

    Here's what a quickly selected site on the internet has to say on the subject:
    http://daycare.suite101.com/article.cfm/foreign_language_in_preschool


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    rovert wrote: »
    Im not a provo

    Nil me in mo phrovo?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,244 ✭✭✭ironictoaster


    I'm stuck between proficient and basic.

    My Irish teacher was pissed off all the time about the way he had to teach Irish. He would always rant about it randomly.

    Felt bad for him. He really does love the language, but he had to teach me and the rest of the class absolute shíte.

    You know there's a problem in the way it's taught, when students can speak a third language much better in the space of 5 years in comparsion to learning Irish for 14 years.

    It's a sad sight to see.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 977 ✭✭✭Abrasax


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    Nil me in mo phrovo?

    Chucky our law.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 32,687 ✭✭✭✭Mars Bar


    Basic which is pretty sad...

    regarding learning young, my French teacher was from Paris and is married to an Irish fella. Her children are fluent in french and they speak it at home (yes she made her husband learn it too), fluent English and go to an Irish primary school. She said to me that when they go to secondary school they'll be picking up Spanish as she's also fluent in Spanish.

    I envy the kids really. And they could probably get 400 points in the leaving before adding in maths and all the rest of the subjects.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭Magenta


    I wish I had gone to a Gaelscoil. I'm looking to re-learn the language now.
    I love speaking it but I've forgotten so much of it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    rovert wrote: »
    Im not a provo

    Nobody asked you if your were a provo. What question exactly was it you were responding to?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    Abrasax wrote: »
    Chucky our law.

    You chucked it on the floor?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,557 ✭✭✭Knifey Spoony


    English is my first language, but I like to think that if I somehow got lost in the Gaeltacth I would be able to talk mysef out of there.

    Sure, isn't that all that the language is good for these days?:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭WesternNight



    Sure, isn't that all that the language is good for these days?:D

    As long as people keep thinking like that, it is :p


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 19,242 Mod ✭✭✭✭L.Jenkins


    Shamefully, I can't speak Irish, but I'd love to learn!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,557 ✭✭✭Knifey Spoony


    As long as people keep thinking like that, it is :p

    I would like the opportunity to use it more often and I like to think that I have a good standard of it now. Had a rubbish standard until 5th and 6th year when I had to get good out of fear of the teacher that I had.

    But it is a shame that all that time I put into it is now going to waste.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    no :(

    and my mam and all her family are fluent. i'm a disgrace :(
    Would they feel disgraced if they were ignorant about something you studied?
    I can only imagine that people's hatred of the language is a result of the way it's taught. Which is a shame, really. It's not a terrible language :)
    Mongolian is probably not a terrible language, but if people were forced to learn it up to leaving cert it might instil the same bitter dislike for it, no doubt many Welsh people feel the same, it would certainly not be particular to Ireland -though some make it out like it is. I think there are far more important lessons that should be taught in school, if any are to be compulsory, lessons like investing money, getting a job, managing money etc. If people were free to choose there would not be such upset about it, people get just as pissed off about having to learn "useless calculus" in maths. In college I was pissed off at having to learn a few redundant computer languages. We were also taught paper tech drawing, a bit might have been OK but we did minimal amounts of CAD which was fully out at the time.
    I am fluent in Irish. People should really take an interest in learning our own language or it will die out
    Some people would not really mind if it did die out, they do not consider it their "own language" and are not particularly attached to the traditions of the land they happened to be born in (i.e. not just Irish). Many people just step back and look at the rational practicalities of things. I expect many people are not "proud to be Irish", not in a bad sense at all, they are apathetic towards the land they live in (neither proud or "not proud"), and would be no matter where they lived, yet many patriotic sorts might try and make them feel ashamed, and they might even end up feeling ashamed as it is so drilled into them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,943 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    somewhere between proficient and fluent. my reading has gone downhill since the leaving but can speak it well.
    it's all in the teaching. divide the subject into literature and non-literature which would be taught along the lines of french, german etc.
    there's also the option of teaching it the way french is taught in quebec. anyone who's parents are native to quebec must go to a french speaking school. and those who don't are excellent at french anyway. my 6 year old cousin speaks 2 languages better than me. the quebecois aren't canada's favourite people, but Christ they defend their language and heritage better than most. and their french doesn't have as much english in it like they have in europe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,547 ✭✭✭Agricola


    On a trip to France afew years back, me and some mates got endless enjoyment on the Paris metro by saying in a loud voice "Buiocheas le Dia, feck ar an bhean ramhar seo!" and "Ta alán fear dubh san Fraince"

    So no, with the exception of talking about foreigners in pidgin Irish, I dont speak it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,345 ✭✭✭landsleaving


    I'd say I'm proficient, was nearly fluent by the end of school (didn't learn through Irish though) but I haven't spoken much since, except for an Irish test for a job a while back, but I did pretty well so that's good I suppose.

    I think I'd be better if I didn't have the worlds nastiest woman as my leaving cert Irish teacher though. She was a piece of work. If Irish had been optional I'd probably have appreciated it more as well, but I just can't stand being forced to do anything... even if I want to do it. Takes all the fun out of it. As does a massive essay in Irish every f'n weekend. Having a friend who's fluent around to translate is great though!

    So in short, yes, I'm decent at Irish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭cafecolour


    I'm sh*te at learning to speak/understand languages. Better at learning to read/write them.

    Sadly thought, the only 2nd 'languages' I learned well were computer languages, and those are even fading with lack of use.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 740 ✭✭✭star.chaser


    cupla fockall


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,843 ✭✭✭Nulty


    creggy wrote: »
    I'm stuck between proficient and basic.

    My Irish teacher was pissed off all the time about the way he had to teach Irish. He would always rant about it randomly.

    Felt bad for him. He really does love the language, but he had to teach me and the rest of the class absolute shíte.

    You know there's a problem in the way it's taught, when students can speak a third language much better in the space of 5 years in comparsion to learning Irish for 14 years.

    It's a sad sight to see.

    Weird, I think we just 'turn-on' language...I read that as teach (house), twice:P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 540 ✭✭✭Intothesea


    Proficient but still learning. Some of the greatest pieces of literature I've come across are either Irish or originally Irish (http://www.ucc.ie/celt/ is a great resource). Always had a fondness for it growing up, thanks in no small part to some passionate teachers. I've found it to be a good cure for homesickness when I'm abroad for long periods of time because the forms, expressions and metaphors deftly bring me back into the fold of specific Irish consciousness, mentality and humour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭Vinta81


    I moved here when I was 12, so I never had too :p Only two wrods I know are Slan and Bonne (sp?) :pac:


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Poll is missing an option "can discuss the impact of mass emigration on the psyche of rural Ireland in the early 20th century but can't order a beer"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭MickShamrock


    Basic.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    By the way, 'proficient' is a higher level than 'fluent'.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,786 ✭✭✭✭Hagar


    Vinta81 wrote: »
    I moved here when I was 12, so I never had too :p Only two wrods I know are Slan and Bonne (sp?) :pac:
    Sorry you'll have to cut that down to one word, then you'll be sorted innit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭witchgirl26


    I'm pretty much fluent although wasn't always the case. Got sent to an all-Irish secondary after primary school as twas a family tradition to go there. Did not too well in my first year there & then shipped myself off to the Gaeltacht for 3 weeks during the summer & ended up being the best thing I ever did.

    I love being able to speak Irish well - people I know from other countries are fascinated by it because it isn't spoken in loads of different places. My sis-in-law (who's English) is now even thinking of learning some more (she has some basic phrases) as she thinks my niece should learn it growing up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭we'llallhavetea_old


    rubadub wrote: »
    Would they feel disgraced if they were ignorant about something you studied?

    no i guess not, but its their first language. my mam and her siblings couldn't speak english until they went to secondary school, this blows my mind!
    i was rared listening to irish, too busy building forts too take it in :o
    i can understand connemara irish, just can't speak it back :o


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  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,257 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    Basic to to none, haven't used it since leaving secondary 2 years ago

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



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