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Bully or Bullied.

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  • #32
    gagiteebo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 524 ✭✭✭gagiteebo


    minidazzler wrote: »
    I'm 6'2, 186 lbs, very fit, and very very goodlooking.

    Zoolander? Is that you? :p

    Pics or gtfo :D


  • #33
    Kev37
    Closed Accounts Posts: 129 ✭✭Kev37


    minidazzler wrote: »
    You are a fool if you believe that.

    Confidence generally means someone doesn't have to bully.

    People who are confident in themselves have no need to make other people feel small.

    Yes, like me. However, people who are confident in themselves don't allow themselves to get bullied.


  • #34
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Kev37 wrote: »
    Good for him. Though I think you can safely say for the most part people who get bullied lack the confidence and the respect required to do well in life. I agree they are normally very intelligent but a lot of the time their social ineptness means they never get to use this potential.

    Not really. I was bullied, and I'm going on to start my masters this September. I find that it only makes you push harder to make a better life for yourself than those who kept you down. While I wasn't bullied as bad as some, I certainly got my fair share of moments that had me trying to hold back tears.

    Kids can be evil, and they don't understand the hurt that they put people through. I'm happy to see most of the guys who were bullied to go on to have a successful life.


  • #35
    Kev37
    Closed Accounts Posts: 129 ✭✭Kev37


    thetonynator wrote: »
    Sounds like a bit of a contradiction to me . . .

    I didn't bully them but they were little vermin. In fairness I could see why all of them were getting bullied but I didn't feel right morally to partake in it.


  • #36
    Kev37
    Closed Accounts Posts: 129 ✭✭Kev37


    dlofnep wrote: »
    Not really. I was bullied, and I'm going on to start my masters this September. I find that it only makes you push harder to make a better life for yourself than those who kept you down. While I wasn't bullied as bad as some, I certainly got my fair share of moments that had me trying to hold back tears.

    Kids can be evil, and they don't understand the hurt that they put people through. I'm happy to see most of the guys who were bullied to go on to have a successful life.

    We'll wait until you get into the work enviroment. Many of those who get bullied do brilliantly in college because they can just stick their nose in a book and are invisible. When you enter the work enviroment though the social hierachy that was present at school returns.


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  • #37
    thetonynator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,234 ✭✭✭thetonynator


    Kev37 wrote: »
    I didn't bully them but they were little vermin. In fairness I could see why all of them were getting bullied but I didn't feel right morally to partake in it.

    bullying doesn't have to be physical, if you went round calling them vermin then i think that counts as bullying


  • #38
    minidazzler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    Kev37 wrote: »
    In fairness you don't just get bullied for no reason, you were obviously socially inept or something at that age. Looking back at my school days the type who got bullied never got girls and were incredibly odd and socially inept, I really felt sorry for them. I think that says something about their position in society. The stronger male (i.e those who dont get bullied) will always have the pick of the women because they are genetically stronger which was the case in my school anyway.

    Socially inept, never until the bullying started, because I fought back hard, people didn't want to take the flack. That was until 4th year, then everything changed because of my last fight in 3rd year.
    Kev37 wrote: »
    Yes, like me. However, people who are confident in themselves don't allow themselves to get bullied.

    You are really really ignorant. You have no idea what you are talking about.


  • #39
    Bugnug
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 602 ✭✭✭Bugnug


    Kev37 wrote: »
    Well I never bullied or got bullied, go figure. Obviously its different if you went to a working class school where most of the bullies come from broken families but outside of that bullies generally go onto achieve great things, not because their bullies, but because they have confidence to do things. Whilst the spotty nerd who used to sit hunched at the front of the class with his nose in a book will probably never break out of his little shell.

    Bullies who suceed in life do so because they are prepared to push and shove people that they can sus out are weaker for one reason or another. They dont give a damn about peoples feelings and they will hurt anybody just to get what they want. All bullies are very unhappy miserable people who will only ever pick on weaker individuals. I've had a few bullies in my life try and come the heavy hand with me and some of my mates. Have you ever seen a bully that gets stood up to? Not long about backing of because underneath it all they are frightened little children. They will always have come from parents who dominated and put fear into them. Monkey see monkey do.


  • #40
    thetonynator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,234 ✭✭✭thetonynator


    Kev37 wrote: »
    We'll wait until you get into the work enviroment. Many of those who get bullied do brilliantly in college because they can just stick their nose in a book and are invisible. When you enter the work enviroment though the social hierachy that was present at school returns.

    not really because if you get into a decent job because you worked hard in college, then there won't be as many immature little pr!cks around to do the bullying and if there are they're probably working as cleaners or something, earning 100k less than you are . . .


  • #41
    Little Acorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭Little Acorn


    Kev37 wrote: »
    Well I never bullied or got bullied, go figure. Obviously its different if you went to a working class school where most of the bullies come from broken families but outside of that bullies generally go onto achieve great things, not because their bullies, but because they have confidence to do things. Whilst the spotty nerd who used to sit hunched at the front of the class with his nose in a book will probably never break out of his little shell.

    None of the bullies I was referring to came from broken families-don't know why you jumped to that assumption?
    Yes,I would agree that they appeared to have heaps of confidence, but it certainly didn't get them anywhere in life so perhaps it was false. If they were really confident with themselves, they wouldn't feel the need to constantly torment others or put others down, to make themselves look "big".
    people who get bullied lack the confidence and the respect required to do well in life. I agree they are normally very intelligent but a lot of the time their social ineptness means they never get to use this potential.

    I think it is blatantly obvious, that it a person who bullies that is displaying a lack of respect and an abundance of social ineptness. If they try any of their bullying techniques in the workplace they will lose their job.


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  • #42
    Kev37
    Closed Accounts Posts: 129 ✭✭Kev37


    thetonynator wrote: »
    bullying doesn't have to be physical, if you went round calling them vermin then i think that counts as bullying

    Nope never did that. I just left them be. I thought some of them were nice but would be really socially inept and would make the most inappropirate comments and embarass themselves.


  • #43
    Millicent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    Kev37 wrote: »
    Yes, like me. However, people who are confident in themselves don't allow themselves to get bullied.

    So that's a reason to bully? Bullies are little parasitic vermin who hone in on the children who aren't strong enough or mature enough to fight back.

    I was confident when kids started to bully me but at a young age, you don't have the social tools to adequately deal with bullies or to understand why they are doing what they are doing.

    As a lovely little consequence of their behaviour, I have had to fight crippling self esteem issues while putting myself through a Bachelor's and a Master's degree. Meanwhile, most of those bullies are
    • complete wasters
    • pregnant at an early age
    • stuck in the same town with the same group of town still trying to bully people
    • thankfully mature enough to have copped themselves on and conduct themselves in a civil manner.

    ETA: I also work and can deal with bullies there now so the work argument is flawed too.


  • #44
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Kev37 wrote: »
    We'll wait until you get into the work enviroment. Many of those who get bullied do brilliantly in college because they can just stick their nose in a book and are invisible. When you enter the work enviroment though the social hierachy that was present at school returns.

    Um, I've been in the work environment since I was 15. I'm 27 now and have worked every year of my life since then. I applied to college as a mature student at 23.

    I'm far more confident in life now than I ever was in school. Your arguments aren't very well founded if I must be honest.


  • #45
    Jaxxy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,297 ✭✭✭Jaxxy


    Kev37 wrote: »
    We'll wait until you get into the work enviroment. Many of those who get bullied do brilliantly in college because they can just stick their nose in a book and are invisible. When you enter the work enviroment though the social hierachy that was present at school returns.

    Bit misinformed there. Bullying in the workplace isn't tolerated anymore, in any form. That's what HR departments and the LRC are for.


  • #46
    Bugnug
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 602 ✭✭✭Bugnug


    Kev37 wrote: »
    In fairness you don't just get bullied for no reason, you were obviously socially inept or something at that age. Looking back at my school days the type who got bullied never got girls and were incredibly odd and socially inept, I really felt sorry for them. I think that says something about their position in society. The stronger male (i.e those who dont get bullied) will always have the pick of the women because they are genetically stronger which was the case in my school anyway.

    Wow you really are a piece of work. According to you life is about earning as much money as possible, intimidating others and shagging as many women as possible otherwise you are weak little vermin. It really does look like you are trying to rile people because some of the stuff you are coming out with is just not believeable.


  • #47
    Millicent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    Kev37 wrote: »
    Yes, like me. However, people who are confident in themselves don't allow themselves to get bullied.

    Also, this argument assumes that those who are bullied are in some way responsible for how they are treated. It's the same sort of stupid argument that says a rape victim brought it on themself because of what they wore or that a mugging victim deserved it for not fighting back. It's a ridiculous assertion to make.


  • #48
    Kev37
    Closed Accounts Posts: 129 ✭✭Kev37


    Bugnug wrote: »
    Bullies who suceed in life do so because they are prepared to push and shove people that they can sus out are weaker for one reason or another.

    I don't bully but I do that. Most people who are successful do. In my line of work if I'm competing against someone weaker than me I will destroy them. Its called being competitive. Something those who get bullied dont understand.

    Have you ever seen a bully that gets stood up to? Not long about backing of because underneath it all they are frightened little children. They will always have come from parents who dominated and put fear into them. Monkey see monkey do.

    Yeah, It happened a lot in my school and it all ended badly for the victim. We had the gaurds in our school because one lad tried to stand up to a bully and had his eye socket broken. Its a nice comforting thought to think they are really scared deep down but the reality is they're usually not.


  • #49
    rainbowdrop
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    Please refrain from feeding the troll.................

    http://www.somersoft.com/forums/gallery/data/506/Do-not-feed-the-troll.jpg


  • #50
    minidazzler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    Kev37 wrote: »
    I don't bully but I do that. Most people who are successful do. In my line of work if I'm competing against someone weaker than me I will destroy them. Its called being competitive. Something those who get bullied dont understand.




    Yeah, It happened a lot in my school and it all ended badly for the victim. We had the gaurds in our school because one lad tried to stand up to a bully and had his eye socket broken. Its a nice comforting thought to think they are really scared deep down but the reality is they're usually not.

    First part...what line of work are you in where it is OK to "destroy" someone? I hope you are an MMA fighter or some such. Probably one of those telesales people though.

    Second part...Let me guess, you saw nothing, even though you might have.


  • #51
    Bugnug
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 602 ✭✭✭Bugnug


    Kev37 wrote: »
    I don't bully but I do that. Most people who are successful do. In my line of work if I'm competing against someone weaker than me I will destroy them. Its called being competitive. Something those who get bullied dont understand.




    Yeah, It happened a lot in my school and it all ended badly for the victim. We had the gaurds in our school because one lad tried to stand up to a bully and had his eye socket broken. Its a nice comforting thought to think they are really scared deep down but the reality is they're usually not.

    Good for you. Keep going through life destroying people and when you are old and lonley with your pile of cash and a trail of hurt left in your wake see how you feel. Your not competitive, your an a""h"""e. I am competitive and I have a very sucessful career and I didnt need to destroy anybody along the way.


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  • #52
    Xluna
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭Xluna


    mars bar wrote: »
    Bully.

    It might be something the child will grow out of.

    Being the victim of a bully might result in the child doing something drastic like ending their own life.

    EDIT: Although, I'd hate for my child to be the result of another child taking their own life or making their life a misery.

    It's a no win situation either way.

    You summed up my opinion on it word for word. Bullying is a real social issue and is not being dealt with as well as severely as it should be. The early years of a childs life is vital in forming ones personality in adulthood.
    If I had a kid who was being bullied I'd stop at nothing to help him/her.
    Few things are as important to me then my childs mental health.(Don't have kids but if I did ect.)


  • #53
    Kev37
    Closed Accounts Posts: 129 ✭✭Kev37


    JaxxYChicK wrote: »
    Bit misinformed there. Bullying in the workplace isn't tolerated anymore, in any form. That's what HR departments and the LRC are for.

    Of course. Its not as obvious but its there in the form of promotions. Those who get bullied and are weak will be overlooked for promotions for the more confident, socially ept colleague because he makes them believe he will be better and they like him.


  • #54
    OutlawPete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    Kev37 wrote: »
    Definitely the bully.

    People who get bullied are generally weak individuals. I know that sounds harsh but its true, those who aren't able to stand up for themselves and command respect will generally fail at life. Its a survival of the fittest type scenario.

    Looking back none of the guys who used to get bullied made anything of themselves in life. All have remedial jobs for low pay and most are still single. It's almost like the Bullies in my year could foresee the future for these low life, spotty, vermin. I didn't bully myself though.

    QFB


  • #55
    Kev37
    Closed Accounts Posts: 129 ✭✭Kev37


    Bugnug wrote: »
    Good for you. Keep going through life destroying people and when you are old and lonley with your pile of cash and a trail of hurt left in your wake see how you feel. Your not competitive, your an a""h"""e. I am competitive and I have a very sucessful career and I didnt need to destroy anybody along the way.

    I'm not lonely. And I don't hurt anyone, I compete. If you get upset because I outdid you in the work enviroment then you don't deserve to get to the top.


  • #56
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    minidazzler wrote: »
    True, but your child would be the one who deserves to die in that situation.

    Says who? Who exactly deserves to die? The child that gave another child a hard time?

    I was given two difficult choices, I made one. Note how I didn't give much of a reason for my choice, only that he would life? Unlike the following tripe...
    Kev37 wrote: »
    Well I never bullied or got bullied, go figure. Obviously its different if you went to a working class school where most of the bullies come from broken families but outside of that bullies generally go onto achieve great things, not because their bullies, but because they have confidence to do things. Whilst the spotty nerd who used to sit hunched at the front of the class with his nose in a book will probably never break out of his little shell.

    Rubbish? I think so.
    Kev37 wrote: »
    In fairness you don't just get bullied for no reason, you were obviously socially inept or something at that age. Looking back at my school days the type who got bullied never got girls and were incredibly odd and socially inept, I really felt sorry for them. I think that says something about their position in society. The stronger male (i.e those who dont get bullied) will always have the pick of the women because they are genetically stronger which was the case in my school anyway.

    More rubbish? Definately. Bullies are genetically stronger? Which is why they can chose women? Eh... that's not correct at all. "You don't get bullied for no reason", this is somewhat true, for the bully needs something to bully you about. This doesn't have to be a big thing either. Spots, big body features (nose, ear, teeth), religion, race, hair colour, assosiates, abilities, likes, dislikes, the list is endless.

    If you think that the bullied party is at fault for the bullying, then I invite you down off your cloud to take a breif glimps of reality, therefore you might be able to create a better conclusion ;)

    I don't consider myself to have failed at life, and I was bullied. I was also one of the first to get a girl at the time too, I have had lots of girls growing up and being bullied, I was also popular in school, work and on my street. Maybe the bully was jealous of this great feat? I don't know. My father was the only one working on our street when I was very young, he had a lot more than most of our neighbours. Were my bullies jealous of this? I don't know.

    It's not uncommon, it happens everywhere, in all levels of society. What's disheartening is that some forms of bullies are viewed differently, you know the high roller types, they got to where they are now by being cnuts etc etc. They are stilly bullying scum.

    I was bullied, in school. in my estate and in work. Although by the time I got to 3rd year I just had enough, so what did I do? I knocked seven shades of shíte out of my 3 year long bully, and I mean seriously knocked him about. Class was somewhat amazed/frightened/delighted that this degenerate base got a beating for the endless amount of torture he caused to people who wanted nothing more than to go to school without the fear of a beating, being spat on or robbed.

    That bully became my friend for the remainder of the year, not because we had any common ground, or because he liked me, but he was scared shítless. He underestimated me and it gave him a serious fright. That was the first bully I confronted, the second ended up in hospital. Don't slap my mother in the face, that's all I will say about that.

    Saying this, I am not condoning violence, but sometimes these bullies just need a good shaking to to dissolve the perception they have of themselves. I feel sorry for bullies, I really do. I percieve them to be pretty stupid, uneducated losers who won't go far in life. The common school bully that is.


  • #57
    minidazzler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    Kev37 wrote: »
    Of course. Its not as obvious but its there in the form of promotions. Those who get bullied and are weak will be overlooked for promotions for the more confident, socially ept colleague because he makes them believe he will be better and they like him.

    Prove it.

    You are using pure conjecture and opinion here.


  • #58
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    rainbowdrop wrote: »
    Please refrain from feeding the troll.................

    http://www.somersoft.com/forums/gallery/data/506/Do-not-feed-the-troll.jpg

    Having a controversial opinoin and being in the minority with that opinion does not make you a troll.

    Maybe you should report it if you think it's trolling? Just an idea.


  • #59
    Kev37
    Closed Accounts Posts: 129 ✭✭Kev37


    Lennox Some Winter wrote: »

    I was bullied, in school. in my estate and in work. Although by the time I got to 3rd year I just had enough, so what did I do? I knocked seven shades of shíte out of my 3 year long bully, and I mean seriously knocked him about. Class was somewhat amazed/frightened/delighted that this degenerate base got a beating for the endless amount of torture he caused to people who wanted nothing more than to go to school without the fear of a beating, being spat on or robbed.

    That bully became my friend for the remainder of the year, not because we had any common ground, or because he liked me, but he was scared shítless. He underestimated me and it gave him a serious fright. That was the first bully I confronted, the second ended up in hospital. Don't slap my mother in the face, that's all I will say about that.

    Saying this, I am not condoning violence, but sometimes these bullies just need a good shaking to to dissolve the perception they have of themselves. I feel sorry for bullies, I really do. I percieve them to be pretty stupid, uneducated losers who won't go far in life. The common school bully that is.

    INTERNET WARRIOR TO THE RESCUE!

    Its a shame you had to result to violence to not get bullied. Something a weak individual does, and now, we are, full circle. Not trying to have a go but strong people dont have to get violent to be respected


  • #60
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    school is a bit like prison really... if you dont bash someone or slag someone withing the first few days the scum will assume your are weak. bullies in my experience never amount to anything because they use other peoples flaws to distract from their own.

    the funny thing is bullies never really bothered me(although i did get slagged a fair bit for like star trek and being a nerd)... it was the little hardmen hanging around them who would be all mouth when they were in a crowd but wouldnt say **** all to you on thier own.


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  • #61
    Bugnug
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 602 ✭✭✭Bugnug


    Kev37 wrote: »
    I'm not lonely. And I don't hurt anyone, I compete. If you get upset because I outdid you in the work enviroment then you don't deserve to get to the top.

    Becoming the best road sweep in Dublin is not where I want to go, so you stick with the brush you'll make it all the way to the top.


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