we need to stand up

Taxipete29 wrote: »

The co-habitation rule applies to all. She is hardly being discriminated against.

Thats correct, but anyone who lives with their partner is being discriminated against.
I had to quit my second job because I was paying so much on tax that I actually ended up working two months for free.
Yet on the other hand, she is not entitled to anything and I am not entitled to her tax credits because we are not married.
Its a trap, a very unfortunate one.

What makes me sick is that between PAYE, Car Tax and whatever else you want to factor in, I am paying out far more than she could even receive on JSA.

We've been trying for ages to get her a job but there is nothing out there.

My options are:
(i) work illegally in a 2nd job i.e. not pay tax etc. (difficult to find these days)
(ii) get fired and both of us live more comfortably on welfare
(iii) emigrate to a different country and both of us contribute to that society

So you know for a fact that all long-term unemployed Irish people have never worked a day in their lives?? lets have your source on that one

I didn't make that claim, hence so source.

But I do know plenty of long term unemployed who have never had a job.
And they are Irish.
Why does being Irish entitle you to welfare? or disability?;)

It is the Irish who are the burnden on this society, not the Eastern Europeans.

So the crux of your point is you hate Ireland and want to leave.

Yes, I do hate Ireland now.
Its massively unfair toward many of the people who contribute to society and massively rewarding to the people who are a burden on society.

The Irish have always had a very snobby attitude to toward Eastern Europeans so these threads don't surprise/irk me.
But what does surprise me is the lack of threads decrying the homegrown Irish layabouts who are a millstone around the neck of anyone trying to contribute to this society (regardless of your nationality) and an exponentially bigger burden than a handful of immigrants.
Reminds me of the Johnny Foreigner/BNP thing

Did you hate this country when your GF was working and you were probably living quite comfortably??

We were never comfortable, mainly just due to bad luck with timing but we weren't in debt and could afford to go to a restaurant once a month or take a holiday once a year.
Nothing extraordinary, but I don't have extraordinary expectations.

Back then, most of the people in the country were working.
The people who lose their jobs (and I mean Irish, not just Eastern Europeans) should be the ones packing their bags and looking to go elsewhere, looking for a job in another country, the way it has always been in the past!

Now, there are plenty of my friends who have packed their bags and emigrated. Skilled friends, the kind of people this country needs to hang onto.

I honestly think if I set out to design a system which would be detrimental to country, I couldn't do a better job than what they have currently done.

Or when she was getting her JSB for a year along with Medical card, rent allowance etc??

She was never entitled to rent allowance or a medical card.
But in this crazy system, if I lost my job, then we would be entitled to it.
I would be rewarded for being a burden on you and everybody else here paying tax.

people u need to realise somebodys losing out with each decision so what ever decisions are made more than likely theres going to be somebody complaining for the next while anyways

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

Why is it wrong?

Well, do you know what a meritocracy is?

You are preeching to the choir here, Danny. Id happily slash the dole, especially for those who choose to stay unemployed during the property boom(circa 70,000).

Well then we are agreed about that at least.

To stay here and contribute whilst claiming benefits?

I've covered all of this in my posts already, please do go back and read what I've already written.
If you have contributed to society and have skills, are seeking a job and need assistance, I don't have a problem. That's what its there for.

If you haven't contributed, or don't have skills, or aren't looking for a job, but expect me to pay hard earned tax, simply because you are Irish - erm, No.
(not referring to you specifically here btw)

Yes, repatriating non nationals who are a burden on the Irish state equates with World War 2. Good man.

LOL, try harder.
Repratriating non-nationals who are a burden on the Irish state, while giving special treatment to do-littles because of their nationality despite being a burden on the Irish state = racism and all that.
Unless you have another word for it? Untermensch?

Can I ask why you specifically said 'recent' arrivals?

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

I know what a meritocracy is. What exactly has your gf done that's of any merit? Working for a few years then staying on for over 2 years unemployed would never ever ever be rewarded in a meritocracy. What has she done to improve her circumstances? Has she re-trained? 2 years is a long time to be out of work.

If I go to Germany and work for a few years, should I be able to stay and claim welfare indefinitely?

You're right, it shouldn't be rewarded, even if my GF was Irish!!
Thats my point!

So why the special treatment for Irish do-lites?
Nationality is irrelevant here.
It has nothing to do with recent arrivals.
Its about people who contribute and people who leech.

One rule for the people who work and pay tax, and one rule for the dolites leeching off society and draging this country into the Atlantic.

Its bullsh1t.
We are going the same way as the UK, all the middle class will be gone to Canada and Australia, the country will be full of leeches from the bottom rung and insiders from the top rung, sinking evermore into debt.

(An an aside, my GF is trying to retrain but we have to pay ourselves and its likely we'll be taking those skills to any country anyway so it all evens out.)

(If you go to Germany and work for a few years, you shouldn't be able to stay and claim indefinitely, but neither should the German who has never worked and contributed nothing! You should be at least able to claim more than them! Judge things by their merit!)

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

During the boom times the number on JA/JB was circa 100,000. Take out Irish tavellers and those between jobs, those made redundant and those let go and the number of do-lites, your phrase not mine, would stand at 50,000(some non-Irish included in that figure too).

The number of do-lites in this country, whilst a problem, is grossly over exaggerated by some posters.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/slight-drop-in-live-register-448496.html
Seasonally adjusted figures show there are now 432,400 people claiming unemployment assistance.
This means the rate of unemployment now stands at 12.4%.

How is that not a major problem?

Social Welfare expenditure is circa €22 billion, in a country with a net income of circa €35 billion.
How is that not a major problem?


The vast majority of those claiming Welfare are not German, or EE or whatever else, they are Irish.

Refer to the graph and the article I've already posted twice in this thread.
Clearly it is the Irish who are the burden on this system, not the immigrants.

Is she a do-lite? She took multipes more out of the system than she paid in.

Indeed she was a do-lite for 12 months.
However, she is not a burden on the Irish system anymore, since we are not entitled to anything, despite me making massive contributions to other dolites who continue to live off my sweat.
I think they should also be encouraged to pack their bags and look for jobs.

Btw, as I've already mentioned, the vast majority of people (composed or Irish) take out more than they put in. The people making most of the contributions will never be able to avail of them.

Could you define what a do-lite is and put an actual figure on the number of do-lites in the country.

Could you answer the question I put to you first?


Why did you state specifically that 'recent' arrivals should go home?


Thanks a million.

ninja900 wrote: »

But just because Irish citizens are entitled, doesn't mean every other EU national should be also.

Under the rules of the EU, it does.

The welfare system (and job market) are not allowed discriminate based on nationality i.e. a country is not allowed give its own citizens preferential treatment or access to its welfare system.
Instead, countries can use "habitual residency" to determine if an applicant can apply for welfare. It's up to each country to determine what constitutes habitual residency but this must be applied the same way to everyone regardless of their nationality.
So an Irish person who has just returned to the country after living in Australia for several years would be treated the same way as a British or Polish person who has just arrived here.

In dannyboy83's case, his girlfriend meets the residency requirements but is not receiving UA because her household income (due to his salary) exceeds the limits prescribed by the means test. This has nothing to do with her nationality; if he was Lithuanian and she was Irish the outcome would be the same.

galway2007 wrote: »

For F**K sake
You and Ef should be ashamed
he was doing his bit for the country and you pick on his education
Ireland is f****D when people like you waiting to comment on this guy
shame on you all for making comments on him you are no better than the polish in this statement

I've no shame. All I asked him was to write a coherent story that was easy to follow. Unlike you I didn't need to resort to bad language or racism in order to make my point. You're entitled to your opinion, as am I, but your criticism would be far more constructive if it wasn't so juvenile and derogatory. And for the record, I don't believe one word he said.