Big Trouble Brewing in the Passport Office.

Fuhrer · 22-03-2010 04:08PM

dont see why the passport office cant just be privatised

meditraitor · 22-03-2010 04:09PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

dont see why the passport office cant just be privatised

A fine point Fuhrer

starbelgrade · 22-03-2010 04:09PM

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

most being more than 50 percent?

So more than 50 percent of the working population have taken pay cuts have they?

You know what I mean.

wasper · 22-03-2010 04:10PM

Serve them right, they should have applied for new passports before the strike happened. Mine is expiring in another year. No worries.

starbelgrade · 22-03-2010 04:11PM

wasper wrote: »

Serve them right, they should have applied for new passports before the strike happened. Mine is expiring in another year. No worries.

Do you always vote for Me Fein?

22-03-2010 04:12PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

You know what I mean.

No, no I dont.
That being why I sought clarification, when people use most I think they are refering to the majority of something otherwise why use a word that doesn't describe what you mean.

Glenster · 22-03-2010 04:13PM

wasper wrote: »

Serve them right, they should have applied for new passports before the strike happened. Mine is expiring in another year. No worries.

+1

It's only knackers and students who wait till the last minute anyway, Everyone whose normal gets their mum or their wife to do it. That's what we keep women in luxury for.

closifer · 22-03-2010 04:13PM

meditraitor wrote: »

Fianna f***ing fail must be busting their hole laughing, Joe bloggs v Joe bloggs and not a word about the devious malcontents who set all this in motion:mad:

I Couldnt agree more. What is wrong with this country? Why is everyone turning on the teachers and the nurses etc and yet we are okay with the government taking huge salaries and pumping fork loads of OUR cash into the banks. Why is all the focus always placed on the "greedy" public servants and the bankers and politicians seem to be getting off scot free? Bit of perspective needed I think!

starbelgrade · 22-03-2010 04:13PM

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

No, no I dont.
That being why I sought clarification, when people use most I think they are refering to the majority of something otherwise why use a word that doesn't describe what you mean.

You're just being pedantic now.

dearg lady · 22-03-2010 04:14PM

Stark wrote: »

Fecking off home early doesn't help. I'd like to see nightclub staff trying to shut a place down at 12am and then expect to still get paid for the hours they didn't work.

Are they fecking off early??

ixoy wrote: »

30k is actually a good wage for the workload and benefits for a clerical officer. It's not lowly paid.

5% whopping? Also it wasn't a levy - it was a pay cut. The budget before was the levy...

There seems to be the notion at times that the PS/CS are the only people who've had a pay cut in any shape or form! Very frustrating.

I think you'll find most private sector employees aren't a member of a union and so won't be using them at any time in the near future.

I agree with all you've said ixoy, and not to take away from that point, but the same seems to be happening on the other side, with private sector workers forgetting that public sector workers are now also working harder for less money, due to pay cuts and ban on recruitment.

I'm still pushing for us all to some together on this, but I do believe I'm in a minority.

Glenster · 22-03-2010 04:14PM

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

No, no I dont.
That being why I sought clarification, when people use most I think they are refering to the majority of something otherwise why use a word that doesn't describe what you mean.

Pedantry.

edit (Awww snap!)

syklops · 22-03-2010 04:16PM

super_furry wrote: »

Hunger strike? Muppet.

In her defence she is fighting a custody battle and if she does not take her daughter back to the other country, she faces charges of kidnap.

I dont know the full story, but that is what I know. I wouldnt call her a muppet for standing up for herself.

Sean Quagmire · 22-03-2010 04:17PM

wasper wrote: »

Serve them right, they should have applied for new passports before the strike happened. Mine is expiring in another year. No worries.

Glenster wrote: »

+1

It's only knackers and students who wait till the last minute anyway, Everyone whose normal gets their mum or their wife to do it. That's what we keep women in luxury for.

Two of the stupidest replies I've ever seen

delly · 22-03-2010 04:17PM

The passport express applications are processed in Balbriggan afaik, not in the city centre building.

22-03-2010 04:18PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

You're just being pedantic now.

Glenster wrote: »

Pedantry.

edit (Awww snap!)

I think the word your searching for is being correct.

If I came on and said I as a PS worker had taken a 50% pay cut would you still say its pedantry when someone corrects me and says its acctually 5% ?

Pedantry, pedantic = words used by people when they are wrong but dont want to admit it.

So Starbelgrade by most what did you mean?

Although its clearly not what me and a poxy pocket dictionary understand to be the meaning of most.

Krusader · 22-03-2010 04:20PM

syklops wrote: »

In her defence she is fighting a custody battle and if she does not take her daughter back to the other country, she faces charges of kidnap.

I dont know the full story, but that is what I know. I wouldnt call her a muppet for standing up for herself.

She should of known that and had all arrangements sorted, there is such a thing called personal responsibility

tunney · 22-03-2010 04:20PM

Carolyyn wrote: »

What an uninformed ignorant opinion. Does your world view also cover firefighters, nurses, doctors, teachers, social workers, etc?
You'd be much smarter to direct your energy and anger at your local politicans who represent the government that are setting all workers up to fight each other based on a public / private sector divide. The "divide and conquer" tactic is working spectacularly well for them serving as a convenient distraction from their own failings to do anything about unemployment
Most of the people working in the Passport Office are lowly paid clerical workers earning under €30,000 a year, many rearing families and paying Dublin price mortgages. They are very angry at being scapgoated in the last budget with a whopping 5% levy while no such penalty was applied to the private sector.
Finally be very careful about dismissing unions and referring to them as "scum". Unless you are an employer yourself you may very well need them as you stand your ground against an abusive or bullying boss in the future.

Wow - do you really believe this tripe?

syklops · 22-03-2010 04:21PM

Crosáidí wrote: »

She should of known that and had all arrangements sorted, there is such a thing called personal responsibility

She should have known what? That the passport office was going to be on a go slow?

Krusader · 22-03-2010 04:23PM

syklops wrote: »

She should have known what? That the passport office was going to be on a go slow?

That she could face kidnapping charges, you can't leave anything to chance these days

Glenster · 22-03-2010 04:23PM

Sean Quagmire wrote: »

Two of the stupidest replies I've ever seen

No, you're right, all this talk of 'work-to-rule' and 'go-slow protests' and that over the last few weeks, it only makes sense to wait until the last minute to get a passport, sensible.

I worked at an airport check-in desk one summer and the amount of lepers who would arrive 1 minute before the flight was scheduled to leave and then give me grief and a sob story for not delaying the other three hundred people who arrived on time.

It's a valuable life lesson. Let's hope they learn it.

opinion guy · 22-03-2010 04:23PM

BLACKEN wrote: »

REVOLUTION!!!! John get me gun!!!................

Who's John ?

Fuhrer wrote: »

dont see why the passport office cant just be privatised

Yeah I heard Mossad sidelined in Irish passports for a while there but the competition was murder.....

Carolyyn · 22-03-2010 04:23PM

Stinicker wrote: »

The Public sector and unions are nothing but scum, everyone of them should be sacked and not be given any dole either.

ixoy wrote: »

30k is actually a good wage for the workload and benefits for a clerical officer. It's not lowly paid.

5% whopping? Also it wasn't a levy - it was a pay cut. The budget before was the levy...

There seems to be the notion at times that the PS/CS are the only people who've had a pay cut in any shape or form! Very frustrating.

I think you'll find most private sector employees aren't a member of a union and so won't be using them at any time in the near future.

Please read my post again, I said most are earning under €30000 minus pension levy (a paycut by another name as most won't ever see that again) and minus the 5% pay cut in the last budget. Big swing if I mistakenly called it a levy btw.

As far as I know the private sector has only taken a hit in the form of the pay levies. And please don't come back with " what about all the people in the private sector who have lost their jobs and taken a 100% pay cut". What about the thousands of people on temporary contracts in the public sector who have also been let go and taken same. From my own experience no one I know working in the private sector has taken near as much a hit in pay terms as those working in the public sector.

Finally I genuinely feel sorry for you and othes in the private sector who are not allowed to join a union. I think this was fine in the boom times but employers can get away with far too much abuse in these times without union protection for workers.

ScumLord · 22-03-2010 04:24PM

syklops wrote: »

I dont know the full story, but that is what I know. I wouldnt call her a muppet for standing up for herself.

I thought it was a sit in..:pac:

Sean Quagmire wrote: »

Two of the stupidest replies I've ever seen

How about now?

Carolyyn · 22-03-2010 04:25PM

tunney wrote: »

Wow - do you really believe this tripe?

Which part of mh post is tripe?

Helix · 22-03-2010 04:25PM

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't really blame them, they've probably already laid down the best part of grand for their holiday and are set to lose all their money and holidays due to this.

why anyone leaves renewing their passports until just before they actually travel is beyond me

feck them, let them learn a lesson not to sit on things like that til the last minute

dearg lady · 22-03-2010 04:25PM

Glenster wrote: »

No, you're right, all this talk of 'work-to-rule' and 'go-slow protests' and that over the last few weeks, it only makes sense to wait until the last minute to get a passport, sensible.

I worked at an airport check-in desk one summer and the amount of lepers who would arrive 1 minute before the flight was scheduled to leave and then give me grief and a sob story for not delaying the other three hundred people who arrived on time.

It's a valuable life lesson. Let's hope they learn it.

I think the problem is people are waiting weeks, up to a month for a passport already, and now they can't get through so are forced to call in to see what is happening. It's not all people leaving it til the last minute, though I'm sure that's teh case with a few people! It's having the bad luck to require a passport expire this year

WindSock · 22-03-2010 04:27PM

Public servants - serve the public. When they do all this crap they are only frustrating the public. What is the point in fking up our lives?

Seriously, cut the 1700 as proposed in snip nua so we can get back on our feet instead of dawdling with the wasters. We need to replace the system with a more efficient one.

Stark · 22-03-2010 04:29PM

Carolyyn wrote: »

Finally I genuinely feel sorry for you and othes in the private sector who are not allowed to join a union. I think this was fine in the boom times but employers can get away with far too much abuse in these times without union protection for workers.

Most non unionised sectors have been steadily recovering though. My employer has started to take the piss over the past few months but thankfully there are now other jobs out there for me to apply to. Unions are great at creating temporary bubble shelters for existing staff but they also make life more difficult for jobless workers seeking new employment and offer little in the way of a sustainable and flexible jobs market.

Helix wrote:

why anyone leaves renewing their passports until just before they actually travel is beyond me

feck them, let them learn a lesson not to sit on things like that til the last minute

What do you define as "last minute"? 2-3 months should be plenty of time.

Glenster · 22-03-2010 04:29PM

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

I think the word your searching for is being correct.

If I came on and said I as a PS worker had taken a 50% pay cut would you still say its pedantry when someone corrects me and says its acctually 5% ?

Pedantry, pedantic = words used by people when they are wrong but dont want to admit it.

So Starbelgrade by most what did you mean?

Although its clearly not what me and a poxy pocket dictionary understand to be the meaning of most.

No, no, no, no that actually isn't what pedantry is defined as, so whatever.
This is what you sounded like. Pedantic.

I think what everyone is forgetting here is that €30,000 is normal for a crappy clerical job, and no-one who acted as rudely as the people in the passport office do would keep their jobs in the private sector. So dont act as though they're any worse off than any supermarket cashier or admin assistant in the private sector, at least they're holding onto their jobs.

Fuhrer · 22-03-2010 04:32PM

dearg lady wrote: »

I agree with all you've said ixoy, and not to take away from that point, but the same seems to be happening on the other side, with private sector workers forgetting that public sector workers are now also working harder for less money, due to pay cuts and ban on recruitment.

I'm still pushing for us all to some together on this, but I do believe I'm in a minority.

And so are Private sector workers.

I had a bunch of people from here let go and I had to cover their jobs with no extra money for it.

If I had a go slow or a strike id immediately be fired and replaced.

Big Trouble Brewing in the Passport Office.

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