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Two Cabin Crew Jailed For Texting Each Other

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  • #62
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    I bet they've never seen moths flying out of a wallet before.:P
    WOT!
    He went and bought a wallet you say!!! :eek:


  • #63
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Biggins wrote: »
    WOT!
    He went and bought a wallet you say!!! :eek:

    He probably arrived there with one of these.

    http://www.australiagift.com/scrotum_shop/scrotum.htm


  • #64
    28064212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,155 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    28064212 wrote:
    Do you expect the media to be reporting every time an Irish person gets fined for breaking the smoking ban?
    If they got 12 months for having a cigarette?

    Yes.
    No you wouldn't. You would expect the media to report on the ridiculousness of the law itself, not on individual sentences (other than perhaps the first couple of offences, but not if it's an established law)
    OutlawPete wrote: »
    We have already had one poster who lived there say foreigners are treated harshly compared to locals.

    If you think that is just anecdotal then show examples where locals were jailed for texting and kissing.
    I don't think it's anecdotal, it is anecdotal. And of course I can't show examples, my whole point is that those cases don't make the news

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  • #65
    james finn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 246 ✭✭james finn


    green isle hunger strikers had 700 naked porn images in work does anyone think this is wrong.


  • #66
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    james finn wrote: »
    green isle hunger strikers had 700 naked porn images in work does anyone think this is wrong.
    At work? Probably but what has that got to do with this thread???


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  • #67
    Minstrel27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,818 ✭✭✭Minstrel27


    james finn wrote: »
    green isle hunger strikers had 700 naked porn images in work does anyone think this is wrong.

    If I had 700 porn images at work I would be fired.


  • #68
    james finn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 246 ✭✭james finn


    Biggins wrote: »
    At work? Probably but what has that got to do with this thread???

    work based


  • #69
    OutlawPete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    28064212 wrote: »
    No you wouldn't.

    Yes I would or I wouldn't have said it.
    28064212 wrote: »
    You would expect the media to report on the ridiculousness of the law itself, not on individual sentences

    They are doing both, the implication that the law is ludicrous is in every single news report that comes out. Why do you think the articles are so comical in tone?

    It's laughable that people are getting imprisoned for kissing and texting each other.
    28064212 wrote: »
    I don't think it's anecdotal, it is anecdotal.

    I said if you think that is "JUST" anecdotal not if thought it was or wasn't :rolleyes:
    28064212 wrote: »
    And of course I can't show examples, my whole point is that those cases don't make the news

    If they don't make the news, how do you know they exist???


  • #70
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    james finn wrote: »
    work based
    There is HUGE gulf between personal phones and work property!


  • #71
    james finn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 246 ✭✭james finn


    Biggins wrote: »
    There is HUGE gulf between personal phones and work property!

    eh cabin crew? its on the job sack em


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  • #72
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    james finn wrote: »
    eh cabin crew? its on the job sack em
    So if I am talking to someone on the phone and talk sexy to them, I deserve to be sacked too?
    Get a grip! Talk about draconian actions!

    See the bigger picture and the differentiation between the act of downloading porn on a work item and corresponding with someone on a personal item.

    Your level of thinking and sacking would have us all back in the dark ages of antiquated thinking and daft laws.


  • #73
    Jeanious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Jeanious


    cough:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055856549

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055854679

    cough!


  • #74
    james finn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 246 ✭✭james finn


    Biggins wrote: »
    So if I am talking to someone on the phone and talk sexy to them, I deserve to be sacked too?
    Get a grip! Talk about draconian actions!

    See the bigger picture and the differentiation between the act of downloading porn on a work item and corresponding with someone on a personal item.

    Your level of thinking and sacking would have us all back in the dark ages of antiquated thinking and daft laws.

    em who heard them talking SEXY on the phone, you do your job your not their to talk sexy, talk sexy after work in bed.


  • #75
    james finn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 246 ✭✭james finn


    Biggins wrote: »
    So if I am talking to someone on the phone and talk sexy to them, I deserve to be sacked too?
    Get a grip! Talk about draconian actions!

    See the bigger picture and the differentiation between the act of downloading porn on a work item and corresponding with someone on a personal item.

    Your level of thinking and sacking would have us all back in the dark ages of antiquated thinking and daft laws.

    daft laws?????????? 700 images of porn in work and the guards had to get involved, you really dont own your own company then or is that in the dark ages too


  • #76
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    james finn wrote: »
    em who heard them talking SEXY on the phone, you do your job your not their to talk sexy, talk sexy after work in bed.
    james finn wrote: »
    daft laws?????????? 700 images of porn in work and the guards had to get involved, you really dont own your own company then or is that in the dark ages too
    You just don't get it, do you?
    See you around.


  • #77
    james finn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 246 ✭✭james finn


    Biggins wrote: »
    You just don't get it, do you?
    See you around.

    no i just get my work done, its a way of not getting sacked


  • #78
    Cherrycola
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,378 ✭✭✭Cherrycola


    Getting back to the topic, as far as i understand, from speaking to friends in Dubai, the reason for the jail sentence was because her husband filed the case, stating she was committing adultery, and this is illegal in a Muslim country under Sharia Law, which is the law of the land there.
    Non muslim expats have also been known to use this law to their advantage to get revenge on their estranged partner.
    Its also illegal to have sex outside marriage in Dubai, so even if this girl was divorced from her husband, if he finds out she has started a new relationship and is in anyway bitter about the split, he, and anyone really, can report her.

    There was a well publicised case report last year, about a british woman who was separated from her husband, he was Egyptian.
    He got wind of the fact that she might be taking the kids back to the UK, so rather than go through the courts for access etc, he chose to report her for having a relationship with another man.
    She has always denied this, but her ex fabricated evidence(condoms apparently taken from her trash...by him! not the police i might add) and this was taken as proof of her affair as they had her DNA on them.
    Sharia law also states that there should be 4 witnesses to an affair before a case can be brought, this was not required for her case apparently!

    She was subsequently found guilty, sentenced to 3mths in prison, with immediate deportation on her release....he got custody of the kids!
    There is heartbreaking video of the kids being handed over to him online. :(

    As far as i know she appealed her deportation, and has been allowed to stay in the UAE, but has not been given custody of her children.

    It was also discovered during the case that her husband had also been having an affair with an american girl while on business trips, this was never taken into account at all.

    So, there is no such thing as a fair trial in Dubai, and god help anyone who ends up on the wrong side of the law, hence the reason i left, i wouldnt be known for keeping my mouth shut, and was just a prison sentence waiting to happen! :D


  • #79
    james finn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 246 ✭✭james finn


    Cherrycola wrote: »
    Getting back to the topic, as far as i understand, from speaking to friends in Dubai, the reason for the jail sentence was because her husband filed the case, stating she was committing adultery, and this is illegal in a Muslim country under Sharia Law, which is the law of the land there.
    Non muslim expats have also been known to use this law to their advantage to get revenge on their estranged partner.
    Its also illegal to have sex outside marriage in Dubai, so even if this girl was divorced from her husband, if he finds out she has started a new relationship and is in anyway bitter about the split, he, and anyone really, can report her.

    There was a well publicised case report last year, about a british woman who was separated from her husband, he was Egyptian.
    He got wind of the fact that she might be taking the kids back to the UK, so rather than go through the courts for access etc, he chose to report her for having a relationship with another man.
    She has always denied this, but her ex fabricated evidence(condoms apparently taken from her trash...by him! not the police i might add) and this was taken as proof of her affair as they had her DNA on them.
    Sharia law also states that there should be 4 witnesses to an affair before a case can be brought, this was not required for her case apparently!

    She was subsequently found guilty, sentenced to 3mths in prison, with immediate deportation on her release....he got custody of the kids!
    There is heartbreaking video of the kids being handed over to him online. :(

    As far as i know she appealed her deportation, and has been allowed to stay in the UAE, but has not been given custody of her children.

    It was also discovered during the case that her husband had also been having an affair with an american girl while on business trips, this was never taken into account at all.

    So, there is no such thing as a fair trial in Dubai, and god help anyone who ends up on the wrong side of the law, hence the reason i left, i wouldnt be known for keeping my mouth shut, and was just a prison sentence waiting to happen! :D

    this wouldnt happen if they didnt break the law, just cos we think its wrong dosnt mean it is, look how messed up this country is with fatherless kids and so on, scumbags killing old people, they dont come ere bitching to us even though we are worse off and dont see it cos we think its normal


  • #80
    plein de force
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭plein de force


    as my friend who had to live there for a period of time said

    "characterless, scorhing hot, concrete jungle surrounded by desert with extremely conservative laws, it's the closest thing to hell i've endured"


  • #81
    james finn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 246 ✭✭james finn


    plein de force wrote: »
    as my friend who had to live there for a period of time said

    "characterless, scorhing hot, concrete jungle surrounded by desert with extremely conservative laws, it's the closest thing to hell i've endured"
    your friend didnt grow up there so might not understand it like the local people,

    they dont have scumbags like we do ere so they doing something right, were to used to anything goes ere and thats why the country is messed up the way it is.


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  • #82
    plein de force
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭plein de force


    well the period of time was 10-19 that she lived there so she sort of did grow up there, never wants to step foot back in the place

    and anything goes? you do know 3/4 of dubai is practically built by slaves? so it's not all rosey and moral like you might like to think


  • #83
    james finn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 246 ✭✭james finn


    plein de force wrote: »
    well the period of time was 10-19 that she lived there so she sort of did grow up there, never wants to step foot back in the place

    and anything goes? you do know 3/4 of dubai is practically built by slaves? so it's not all rosey and moral like you might like to think

    ok if dubai is the big bad place (no scumbags no headshops) dont go there


  • #84
    indough
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭indough


    james finn wrote: »
    ok if dubai is the big bad place (no scumbags no headshops) dont go there

    come on now, it doesnt have to be one extreme or the other

    not everyone who uses drugs is a scumbag either by the way


  • #85
    plein de force
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭plein de force


    james finn wrote: »
    ok if dubai is the big bad place (no scumbags no headshops) dont go there

    just because there are less scumbags and no headshops does not make a place better, the things that make a place a good environment to live in is being free to do what you want when you don't harm others in the process


  • #86
    james finn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 246 ✭✭james finn


    plein de force wrote: »
    just because there are less scumbags and no headshops does not make a place better, the things that make a place a good environment to live in is being free to do what you want when you don't harm others in the process

    it aint working ere, its being said now in america that ireland is a dangerous place to go, dubai is not on that list


  • #87
    Cherrycola
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,378 ✭✭✭Cherrycola


    The reason for Dubai's low crime rate, is that the majority of crime is not reported!

    You dont think they have fatherless children there?? Oh they do, but most single women who end up pregnant either leave of their own accord, or end up in jail, or deported. The kids are dumped in orphanages. Only locals can adopt children in Dubai, expats cant, so whats the future for these kids??

    Some statistics;

    http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100321/NATIONAL/703209842/1010/SPORT

    The amount of rape, particularly male rape, and crimes against children that are not reported in Dubai is staggering! Even in the "safe" residential areas, gated communities, there are constant reports of workers exposing themselves to kids.

    http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091202/NATIONAL/712019878/1001/SPORT

    and another;

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/31/world/africa/31iht-dubai.4.8133097.html

    Maids raped by their employer, locals again, maids committing suicide by jumping off highrise buildings because they are beaten and abused on a regular basis, and this i have seen with my own two eyes....when i heard the most unmerciful screaming coming from the next door neighbours house, and could see through the window one of the two maids been beaten by the "lady" of the house...that sealed my decision to leave! :mad::mad:

    Homosexuality is also a crime.

    A woman who reports a rape, can and has been charged with unlawful sex outside marriage, and the rapist gets away!

    Only recently there has been the Hamas murder, before that a Chechen leader murdered in one of the main tourist spots in Dubai, Jumeirah Beach Residence!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUTdBbsJPiw&feature=youtube_gdata

    Also a Lebanese singer was murdered there too.


    So yeah, Dubai has no scumbags and all is rosy. :rolleyes: Stop being so naive!
    Maybe Dubai needs to be added to that list of dangerous places.
    What makes it more dangerous is that people are lulled into a false sense of security there, because they THINK its safe! Just because you dont see it everyday on the news(which is all censored by Sheikh Mo and his cronies i might add) doesnt mean it doesnt happen.


  • #88
    dermo88
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭dermo88


    I have (sadly) nothing good to say about either the Emiratis or their neighbours, the Saudis. Since I was a teenager, I have only ever struck out in anger, three times. Once in Ireland, twice in Malaysia.

    In Ireland, I was stupid, and I failed to control myself. However, in Malaysia, I was at a bar, having a nice chat to a German friend when a fat Saudi started touching my bottom.

    And asked, that charming chat up line.

    "Can I fxxk you?"

    Needless to say, he was drunk, and I was quite appaled. I composed myself, and warned him.

    Of course, I was a regular at this bar, and the barman (Danny Tham) and owner knew me years. I gave him his warning, and hoped that would be the end of it.

    But oh no.....the idiot went and did it again. This time I was a bit more hardline, and Danny Tham knew I was about to flip. Although little did he know, or I know to what extent. He was signalling to the Saudi to back off. Of course, the Saudi ignores this, thinking I am some kind of Western rentboy. Naturally, I am seething and quite insulted by this.

    Too late. Fat obnoxious Saudi feels me up again. His nose got smashed, and I ended doing a bit of a Ronnie Kray on him. This....well....12.30am at night in a bar in KL.

    By the time I was finished, I just got back on my stool, and said in Malay.

    "Did anyone see anything"

    (Crowd) No.

    "Good, drinks all around then"

    "Danny, give me a DOUBLE Jack Daniels and coke as well....and one for you"

    (That cost me close on 150 Euro, but it was worth it at the time)

    Danny, myself and the bouncer just gets the (unconscious) Saudi, throws him into the drain in the back alley, and that was the end of the issue.

    I subsequently found out I had just knocked out the Saudi Charges D'Affaires from the Embassy in a gay bar. Since his blood/alcohol levels were through the roof, nothing could be done. The Malaysian police take a rather dim view of someone giving evidence after being under the influence, and as for his superiors, or anyone else, what was he doing in a gay bar in the first place.

    So sad to say, my experience of Saudis or Emiratis has not been good. However, surrounding nationalities, Iranian, Jordanian, Egyptian, Syrians, I am proud to have as friends, and they have been gentlemen and women of the highest order.

    The fact is, that the likes of Dubai went from being an impoverished fishing village, with tribal cultures to being an extremely prosperous city with a tribal culture. The desert is a harsh environment, it fosters a way of life, and it takes more than 40 years to change the mindset.

    They treat migrant workers, like the Indians and Bangladeshis like slaves, going against one of the key tenets of Islam, compassion. Their hypocrisy is sickening. Koran in the right hand, Jack Daniels in the left, and a sodomised teenager in between underneath the crisp clean white cloak.


  • #89
    james finn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 246 ✭✭james finn


    Cherrycola wrote: »
    The reason for Dubai's low crime rate, is that the majority of crime is not reported!

    You dont think they have fatherless children there?? Oh they do, but most single women who end up pregnant either leave of their own accord, or end up in jail, or deported. The kids are dumped in orphanages. Only locals can adopt children in Dubai, expats cant, so whats the future for these kids??

    Some statistics;

    http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100321/NATIONAL/703209842/1010/SPORT

    The amount of rape, particularly male rape, and crimes against children that are not reported in Dubai is staggering! Even in the "safe" residential areas, gated communities, there are constant reports of workers exposing themselves to kids.

    http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091202/NATIONAL/712019878/1001/SPORT

    and another;

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/31/world/africa/31iht-dubai.4.8133097.html

    Maids raped by their employer, locals again, maids committing suicide by jumping off highrise buildings because they are beaten and abused on a regular basis, and this i have seen with my own two eyes....when i heard the most unmerciful screaming coming from the next door neighbours house, and could see through the window one of the two maids been beaten by the "lady" of the house...that sealed my decision to leave! :mad::mad:

    Homosexuality is also a crime.

    A woman who reports a rape, can and has been charged with unlawful sex outside marriage, and the rapist gets away!

    Only recently there has been the Hamas murder, before that a Chechen leader murdered in one of the main tourist spots in Dubai, Jumeirah Beach Residence!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUTdBbsJPiw&feature=youtube_gdata

    Also a Lebanese singer was murdered there too.


    So yeah, Dubai has no scumbags and all is rosy. :rolleyes: Stop being so naive!
    Maybe Dubai needs to be added to that list of dangerous places.
    What makes it more dangerous is that people are lulled into a false sense of security there, because they THINK its safe! Just because you dont see it everyday on the news(which is all censored by Sheikh Mo and his cronies i might add) doesnt mean it doesnt happen.

    i found the streets very clean, no mad heads like the scumbags ere and no head shops, you can leave your door unlocked, and they have more freedom when it comes to the tax system.


  • #90
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    james finn wrote: »
    i found the streets very clean, no mad heads like the scumbags ere and no head shops, you can leave your door unlocked, and they have more freedom when it comes to the tax system.
    Which is all great stuff, no question.
    But beyond the surface of what the country "presents" itself as, there is a shocking under current of abuse and crime.
    Having experience the place in my own capacity, I can honestly say that if the world knew just 10% more of the reality of daily life over there, they would have nothing to do with the state.

    As it is, such is their current power and influence due to their hold over us all - they with the oil - the vast majority of stuff that really goes on, is buried, goes non-reported and/or the victims never see justice.

    Side note:
    The oil arab states in 40 to 60 years time will be at crises point more so. That's when it expected that their oil will seriously start to run out. When that power of subsequent influence and power goes, as to will those that remained subservient and silent to them and their ways - and I'm talking about foreign states that previously had monetary deals with them, that held their tongues while raking the profits - thats when voices that once were held back, will demand to speak up more and see in return that the Arab masters will have lost their influential status on the world stage. They will be seen as more vulnerable and possibly open to overthrow and/or change.

    The arab states currently run by governing families need to make changes now. If they don't, as they act and as they govern unfairly (and they most certainly do), all this will come back to haunt them.
    They shall reap as they are currently sowing - and they are so buried up to their necks in oil at the moment that they cannot see that or what's coming.


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  • #91
    Cherrycola
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,378 ✭✭✭Cherrycola


    Yeah, clean streets really did it for me! :rolleyes:

    I would have preferred to be falling over rubbish, than have workers w@nking at the beach and taking pictures of the women and kids for their pleasure later on. :rolleyes:

    As for mad heads?! OMG, the Pakistani and Indian workers and truck drivers are well known for taking some disturbing homemade drugs, and then take to the roads in their water tankers and 18 wheelers, and end up killing themselves and god knows how many others with their crazy driving!
    Again, fact!

    You can leave your door unlocked alright, but dont start crying when someone who has clued into that fact walks right in and rapes your housemaid/wife/child or steals everything you own....fact again unfortunately!

    I never once let my guard down while living there, if anything, i felt more uneasy there than i ever felt here. I would always keep the doors locked, and never went walking on my own when it got dark, which was annoying as it got dark at 6.30/7pm. Here i will go for my walk up to 9pm at night and still feel safe.

    The scary thing is there is such a mix of cultures, and as a result everyone has different standards and morals, so what seems appalling to us, for some is normality.
    And some people live in such difficult circumstances there, and that breeds contempt, and actions outside the normal realm.

    Dubai's oil is said to run out in about 15years, which can only be a good thing, and let them go back to their backward fishing village ways, and we'll see how they survive.
    Greedy, flashy people with no morals and the height of hypocrisy is all that country has.

    Its a place i will never set foot in again when my husband leaves. Its got no soul......Ireland has soul. ;)
    Yes we have our issues here, but we are for the most part, still a very genuine race of people, willing to do what we can for others without expecting anything in return....and i have experienced that twice since i came home, on this very forum, strangers willing to help and looking for nothing in return. I tip my cap to them. ;)


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