Skins - Season 4 Spoilers

Midnight_EG · 19-03-2010 01:27AM

And driving a merc into a river with a bag full of weed :cool:

K4t · 19-03-2010 07:15AM

I'm not a fan of Skins seasons 3 or 4 but have kept in touch and tuned in to the last twenty minutes tonight and thought the final scene was excellent. There's almost definitely a Sopranos fan among the producers! It was a great scene, really intense. *I presume Cook annihilated that fella.*

piby · 19-03-2010 11:51AM

I thought that was actually a reasonable ending/series finale. I think you have to look at the technical difficulty in tying up a story for 8/9 characters in the space of a one hour. Actually when you take away ad breaks it probably about 40 mins meaning you have about 5 mins per character to finish everything. So I think they had to do the 'open' ending otherwise there was just to much to do i.e. the fallout of Freddie's death (although I kind of wanted to see it), Cook's love for Effy, the fact that Cook is going to jail etc., would just have been too much to attempt in one episode!! Emily, JJ and particularly Effy (beacuse she's been in it so long) weren't really given concrete endings. But the last scene was really well done IMO. Cook's little monologue says everything about him. He isn't smart and he is a piece of **** but he did love his friend and that's his one superior quality: "I'm nothing, I'm a criminal . . . but you killed my friend. And I'm Cook! I'M COOK!!!"

As far the series as a whole I would agree with what a lot of people that it wasn't great. I don't think it was bad characters or bad acting it's just nothing really happened. Effy going mad and Freddie getting killed were attempts to gloss over the fact that there was no central theme/storyline. They tried to make the Emily-Naoimi storyline the equivalent of the Cook/Freddie/Effy one in the previous series but it just didn't really work. In the end it was 8 individual episode rather than a coherent series. Despite that I really liked Series 3 and it would probably be my favourite after Series 1. Out of all of them I think Cook has been the best character by far and the only major flaw was that Seasons 3/4 overall weren't as funny as 1/2 although there were moments.

It'll be interesting to see where they go from here. I like the idea of some continuity so I think I'd like Karen (She's a babe!) to be in Series 5. You could then use it to finally tie up Freddie's story in some small way. Although this is unlikely from what I've heard. Supposedly there's a movie in the making where the two casts might meet but that's been a rumor for more than a couple of years now! Besides I think a movie would be stupid the whole essence of the show rests on it being a series.

Dubs · 19-03-2010 02:13PM

I cant see Karen being a part of season 5. Shes meant to be freddies older sister and theyre looking for a younger cast (presumably). Would be pretty cool though as shes gorgeous :P

Lawliet · 19-03-2010 06:54PM

Thank christ that generation of skins is over. Practically the entire cast was some teen stereotype or another, and the few that got any sort of character development were quickly derailed. Not to mention the Effy-Freddie-Cook love triangle that took up so much screen time and was completely boring -especially since there was little chemistry between Effy and either of her love interests. Then there was the ridiculous twist of Effy having a mental illness, that was just unrealistic and down right stupid in places.
Which brings us on to 'Freddie being brutally murdered by Effy's psycho therapist' head banger. I mean seriously, if you're going to bring an element like that into a show, you should really spend an episode sorting it out. Instead it got wedged into a few minutes at the end of two episodes, both of which could have done without it.
I really don't understand what the point of killing Freddie was. I mean they killed off Chris in the second last episode, but that was foreshadowed, and we got to watch the aftermath of his death, and how the other characters dealt with it etc. Freddie's death had none of that. It was completely pointless!

Hopefully the third generation will bring skins back to its former glory.

gary223 · 19-03-2010 10:54PM

Will there be a third generation though?

skeleton_boy · 19-03-2010 10:58PM

Yep. A 5th and 6th season have been confirmed.

gary223 · 19-03-2010 11:03PM

I gave up on the last series a few episodes in (god only knows how I got that far). If there's new characters, I would consider giving it another chance.

Kevin! · 20-03-2010 12:02AM

I am so enraged about the ending, it wouldn't be so bad if that was just a series ending and that cast/storyline was coming back next year but leaving it to end like that is a bad decision for the editors imo.

They should have had an episode of the fight / cooke winning, then cooke telling his mates/police and maybe end there but not at the climax.

Sideshow Mark · 20-03-2010 10:09AM

I dont get this backlash, I thought everthing was explained quite well Effy was seen out of the Hospital at a party having fun, and not off her head.

The party was a celebration/wake for Freddie.

Cook who has been selfish throughout, showed real character development as he unselfishly gave up his life for his friend, one way or another. There was no reason to show the outcome of the fight, or everyone dressed in black at Freddies funeral.

skeleton_boy · 20-03-2010 04:38PM

Sideshow Mark wrote: »

Cook who has been selfish throughout, showed real character development as he unselfishly gave up his life for his friend, one way or another. There was no reason to show the outcome of the fight, or everyone dressed in black at Freddies funeral.

Just after they showed all the characters during the credits, they went to a shot of Cook walking down the street from his episode. I read that that was supposed to signify Cooks victory.

unreggd · 21-03-2010 02:57AM

I didn't like how Cook balled his eyes out when he found Freddie's copy, but he barely flinched when he found Freddie's bloody clothes

They pretty much just copied the end of the first gen series'

*someone died [Chris - Freddie]
*some leave for college [Tony, Michelle - Panda, Thomas]
*some travel [Maxxie, Anwar - Naomi, Emily]
*Major plot left on a cliffhanger [Sid & Cassie - Cook, John]

For a show that relies heavily on character development, the series' are wayy too short

Kevin! · 21-03-2010 11:13PM

unreggd wrote: »

I didn't like how Cook balled his eyes out when he found Freddie's copy, but he barely flinched when he found Freddie's bloody clothes

They pretty much just copied the end of the first gen series'

*someone died [Chris - Freddie]
*some leave for college [Tony, Michelle - Panda, Thomas]
*some travel [Maxxie, Anwar - Naomi, Emily]
*Major plot left on a cliffhanger [Sid & Cassie - Cook, John]

For a show that relies heavily on character development, the series' are wayy too short

I think the reason for cook balling his eyes out were related to Effy, and not Freddie.

KrazeeEyezKilla · 22-03-2010 12:37AM

There weren't enough episodes this series. Two years ago there were ten episodes but for some reason there were only eight this time. Some of the characters hardly featured this year and the storyline with John Foster and Effy came very suddenly. The actual ending with Cook was pretty good though and it was right to not show what happened next, it was just the build-up that was disappointing.

tinner777 · 23-03-2010 10:19AM

skeleton_boy wrote: »

Just after they showed all the characters during the credits, they went to a shot of Cook walking down the street from his episode. I read that that was supposed to signify Cooks victory.

missed that, was it defo from the last episode, or from a previous one?

TouchingVirus · 24-03-2010 01:21AM

tinner777 wrote: »

missed that, was it defo from the last episode, or from a previous one?

Yep, after the end of the series it shows credits (who the episode was directed/created/written by) but before it does the rest of the credits (cast, gaffers, key grips etc etc) it shows clips of each member of the cast with their real name instead.

Between some of the clips of the different people (after Jack O'Connell/Cook, Megan Prescott/Katie and at the end of the cast credits) you see a clip of Cook looking his menacing self, turning his back and walking down the road.

I should point out that these clips of Cook intertwined with the cast are not new, it's not Cook leaving Foster's house all bloodied or in handcuffs. It's a clip from the episode 'Cook' of Cook walking down the road away from Naomi's house after they have a quick chat. (~18mins into the episode).

IMO it signifies that Cook was victorious though, otherwise why put them in?

Lemlin · 25-03-2010 04:53PM

unreggd wrote: »

I didn't like how Cook balled his eyes out when he found Freddie's copy, but he barely flinched when he found Freddie's bloody clothes

They pretty much just copied the end of the first gen series'

*someone died [Chris - Freddie]
*some leave for college [Tony, Michelle - Panda, Thomas]
*some travel [Maxxie, Anwar - Naomi, Emily]
*Major plot left on a cliffhanger [Sid & Cassie - Cook, John]

For a show that relies heavily on character development, the series' are wayy too short

I'd agree with this although I think the show has to have some leaving for college/going travelling. After all, it is a group of 16 to 18 year olds. However, having someone die and then the cliffhanger were just a copy of the last series.

The end was disappointing too in that the end of series 2 dealt with what happened to all of the characters. This episode left us without answers for Katie, JJ and Effy. The Harvard storyline was also unbelievably stupid. Why not just have Thomas agree to go with Pandora?

This series also disappointed as a whole in that there was too much about Effy/Cook/Freddie and Emily/Naomi and very littleabout Thomas/Pandora/Katie. Thomas and Katie had their own episodes but they were in the show very little other than that. There was also very little of the whole group interacting which was a constant feature of series 1 to 3.

The next series can't be about Karen because she is older than Freddie. Although I think the writers got confused - she started off being the older sister last series but they seemed to want to make her younger this series.

The head writer has left according to Wikipedia so it'll be interesting to see how the next series goes.

sheehy898 · 25-03-2010 07:12PM

A skins movie is in pre-production and will deal mostly with Gen 2,so we should get a good few answers that the season 4 finale left us.http://frontrowreviews.co.uk/genres/comedy/skins-movie-planned/3998

weeder · 25-03-2010 11:23PM

anyone else pissed off that the inbetweeners this week wasnt a new season

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Skins - Season 4 Spoilers