You never see a priest in the pub anymore

Coriolanus · 15-03-2010 11:57PM

Norah Damp Tribune wrote: »

Would you cop yourself on ffs, what qualifies you to say that?.

Uhh, any of a number of reports that slammed the guards, the judiciary, the civil service, legal profession and the clergy for their inaction over decades?

arybvtcw0eolkf · 16-03-2010 12:01AM

Nevore wrote: »

Uhh, any of a number of reports that slammed the guards, the judiciary, the civil service, legal profession and the clergy for their inaction over decades?

That doesn't qualify you to label all priests as being involved in a conspiracy of silence.

grizzly · 16-03-2010 12:01AM

In times past they would have gotten respect from everyone down the local – even those who wouldn't be regular church-goers. Now some people view them as pariahs and they mustn't feel as welcome.

MarchDub · 16-03-2010 12:08AM

dlofnep wrote: »

Despite some of them being Pedros - there are some very good Priests out there who have been a great help to many families. They are usually always invited for a drink after a funeral or a wedding.

Norah Damp Tribune wrote: »

+1.

I've met and served with some wonderful priests, and I'd sing my parish priests praises until the cow's come home - he's a brilliant bloke.

They're not all child abuser's and predators waiting to pounce.

+2
Well said both of you. It's both sad and tragic that they all get counted together. I can remember some really good priests who were enormous help to families in times of stress and need. Not to mention those who taught in the schools, were paid a pittance and lived almost in poverty compared to lay teachers of equal education.

Nowadays many of them are reluctant to wear their collars in public because of the ignorance and taunts they encounter.

I will add that the same goes for the wider Catholic Church - no one ever talks now about the amount of cash that was paid out on a weekly basis by Catholic charities including the St Vincent de Paul folk to the people in Dublin slums. I know, I used to go with my father and grandfather on these mission trips - and they did it with great discretion. The money was passed on by lay people and without any notion of restitution - it was a gift.

pikachucheeks · 16-03-2010 12:08AM

ilovemybrick wrote: »

Sorry WHAT? No they're not.

They're public sector.

Although, it does depend on denomination.

Some get the proceeds from the collection box, donations from the congregation as well.

RonMexico · 16-03-2010 12:10AM

Sure you can't bring your kids to the pub after nine anymore can you? It's just not the same without the kids for padre. Fussy lot they are.

dvpower · 16-03-2010 12:14AM

pikachucheeks wrote: »

They're public sector.

Although, it does depend on denomination.

Some get the proceeds from the collection box, donations from the congregation as well.

That's completely false. Priests do not get paid from the public purse.
Some religious work in schools and hospitals and draw a public salary, but they're few and far between these days.

In some other European countries, churches are funded from the public purse, but not in Ireland.

OutlawPete · 16-03-2010 12:14AM

'Priest' and 'Pub' in the title and no mention of this man?? :eek:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLKvponqV4Q

Mrmoe · 16-03-2010 12:22AM

lonad wrote: »

I didn't want to start a thread on this but something has been annoying me about religious vocations. Isn't it a calling from God that you get that brings you to the priesthood and Nunnery (?). If this is the case then there has been percieved direct contact with God , so how in the fcuk can they then turn into evil bastards ....... what with God being the utimate good etc. I must remember to ask a priest when I meet one

Off topic , sorry

Psst, it's because there is no god, now don't let the secret get out.;)

ScumLord · 16-03-2010 12:23AM

Norah Damp Tribune wrote: »

That doesn't qualify you to label all priests as being involved in a conspiracy of silence.

I think every priest must have heard the rumours, it's bound to leak down through and I do believe the church as a whole did, if not do see themselves as something beyond or above the ordinary people. Maybe not all but enough, and too many of the higher ups knew all to well and they're the people the other priests follow. They still take orders from those that are still trying to cover up what happened.

It's not fair perhaps to label the younger priests that weren't around when the catholic church was at it's worst but the fact is they're now part of that church and will have to assume the sins of the priests that went before them. Or they could find a new way to worship god that isn't tainted with the abuse of children.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 16-03-2010 12:27AM

ScumLord wrote: »

It's not fair perhaps to label the younger priests that weren't around when the catholic church was at it's worst but the fact is they're now part of that church and will have to assume the sins of the priests that went before them.

Now let me tell you something, if we in this country were all to be tried for the sin's of our father's we'd all be pretty well fucked from a height!.

ScumLord · 16-03-2010 12:38AM

Norah Damp Tribune wrote: »

Now let me tell you something, if we in this country were all to be tried for the sin's of our father's we'd all be pretty well fucked from a height!.

It's not really the same, we where born into our history's we didn't actively sign up to an organisation. By signing up, and continuing to support it after the fact it's almost as good as condoning it.

The Roman Catholic church is an organisation that can be judged by the actions of it's members, if you disagree with the actions of the organisation leave, if you agree with what they've done continue to support them.

CrazyRabbit · 16-03-2010 01:51AM

Never see any Publicans in church either...

Tail Wagger · 16-03-2010 01:54AM

recylingbin wrote: »

When I was a nipper, the local priest would be sipping whiskey in the evening with the rest of the community down in the local. You never see that anymore.
Well, maybe after a funeral.

upcoming threads of a similar nature:
Also, do priests pay tax on their earnings?
Can they vote in general elections?

Of course they can vote, no one else is taking the blame for FF getting in again.
We have to blame someone!

Apanachi · 16-03-2010 12:05PM

recylingbin wrote: »

When I was a nipper, the local priest would be sipping whiskey in the evening with the rest of the community down in the local. You never see that anymore.
Well, maybe after a funeral.

Our parish priest back home is always down i the pub on a Saturday night, he's a riot, one of the few priests i actually like (don't like the fact that he drives home drunk every time though

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El Siglo · 16-03-2010 12:22PM

<Ollie> wrote: »

I was drinking with one last Saturday night actually (a trainee, first year). Sound guy too.

This year in Maynooth actually had a huge increase in new recruits or trainees, or whatever the right term is..

They're called "seminarians".

bonerm · 16-03-2010 12:24PM

Apanachi wrote: »

Our parish priest back home is always down i the pub on a Saturday night, he's a riot, one of the few priests i actually like (don't like the fact that he drives home drunk every time though )

You should say it to the bollix then.

prinz · 16-03-2010 12:37PM

minidazzler wrote: »

They don't have "earnings" per se. They live lives of poverty *pssh, yeah right* so no taxes are payed AFAIK.

Yes, they can vote.

Yes they have earnings, earnings that must be declared and tax paid when due. No the average parish priest does not live a life of poverty, vows of poverty are restricted to some congregations within the Church but not every priest has taken one. That said they are instructed to life modestly.

pikachucheeks wrote: »

They're considered public service workers, so they're paid by the government and pay tax.

pikachucheeks wrote: »

They're public sector....

Unless a priest is working as a teacher / hospital chaplain etc he is not considered a "public service" and is not paid anything by the government. The government does not pay your average Fr Joe Soap parish priest.

star.chaser · 16-03-2010 01:03PM

alcohol+priest=violence

Apanachi · 16-03-2010 01:16PM

bonerm wrote: »

You should say it to the bollix then.

Well, seeing as I don't live there anymore, I very rarely see him, I did mention it to him once though (not directly given out to him as such, but questioned whether he felt he was fit to drive) his answer was, "sure the car knows it's own way home, it drives me

The police turn a blind eye to him too, ah yes, catholic Ireland, still ruled by the clergy....

prinz · 16-03-2010 01:22PM

Apanachi wrote: »

Well, seeing as I don't live there anymore, I very rarely see him, I did mention it to him once though (not directly given out to him as such, but questioned whether he felt he was fit to drive) his answer was, "sure the car knows it's own way home, it drives me The police turn a blind eye to him too, ah yes, catholic Ireland, still ruled by the clergy....

The same man could just as easily be a dentist, would you say that Ireland was ruled by the dentists? There are plenty of people who routinely drink and drive.. their occupation is largely irrelevant.

Apanachi · 16-03-2010 01:25PM

prinz wrote: »

The same man could just as easily be a dentist, would you say that Ireland was ruled by the dentists? There are plenty of people who routinely drink and drive.. their occupation is largely irrelevant.

Yes but the police in my home village don't turn a blind eye to the local dentist.

prinz · 16-03-2010 01:26PM

Apanachi wrote: »

Yes but the police in my home village don't turn a blind eye to the local dentist.

They do in other places, I know of a lot of farmers who seem to be exempted by the local gardaí.

smellslikeshoes · 16-03-2010 01:35PM

The way priests are looked upon with suspicion now if a priest was out in the pub they would be accused of conducting something inappropriate pretty quickly.

NothingMan · 16-03-2010 01:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I've not seen a young (<40 years old) priest for years.

There's one young guy in a parish near me and he's a weird creepy man. The exact kinda guy I wouldn't leave alone with my kids if he was a priest or not, and that's the kind of people that are attracted to this kind of organisation.

I've said it before, but sex is the most natural thing in the world and yes some priests can sacrafice this for their church but an all too large minority have weird sexual urges that don't fit in with normal society so they can end up in an organisation that encourage people to ignore their sexuality and end up hiding it and the results of that have been made all too clear.

goose2005 · 16-03-2010 02:09PM

Norah Damp Tribune wrote: »

That doesn't qualify you to label all priests as being involved in a conspiracy of silence.

A great number of non-paedophile priests would have heard rumours, or had children tell them what happened, and did nothing

arybvtcw0eolkf · 16-03-2010 03:28PM

ScumLord wrote: »

I think every priest must have heard the rumours, it's bound to leak down through and I do believe the church as a whole did, if not do see themselves as something beyond or above the ordinary people. Maybe not all but enough, and too many of the higher ups knew all to well and they're the people the other priests follow. They still take orders from those that are still trying to cover up what happened.

It's not fair perhaps to label the younger priests that weren't around when the catholic church was at it's worst but the fact is they're now part of that church and will have to assume the sins of the priests that went before them. Or they could find a new way to worship god that isn't tainted with the abuse of children.

Sorry I was away from this for a few hours and wasn't ignoring you.

Thats an argument I'm not qualified to go too deeply into, but I do think (hope) that maybe out of this, and lets not kid ourselves its only here in Ireland that abuse took place, a reformation of the catholic church takes place.

I also can not speak for my parish priest, but he's a good of (of that I've no doubt) and I'm sure he's hurt by this himself and probably feeling a huge amount of guilt too.

Btw for the record, I'm not a catholic (in case it matters to anyone).

CrazyRabbit · 16-03-2010 05:31PM

star.chaser wrote: »

alcohol+priest=violence

Alcohol+priest= Sunday Mass.

Raiser · 16-03-2010 05:56PM

pikachucheeks wrote: »

They're considered public service workers, so they're paid by the government and pay tax.

:eek: Is this true????????

ScumLord · 16-03-2010 07:23PM

Norah Damp Tribune wrote: »

Sorry I was away from this for a few hours and wasn't ignoring you.

Thats an argument I'm not qualified to go too deeply into, but I do think (hope) that maybe out of this, and lets not kid ourselves its only here in Ireland that abuse took place, a reformation of the catholic church takes place.

You'd like to think so but there's been no real evidence of this happening. Any organisation that had accusations like these laid at it's door step would be bending over backwards to distance themselves from the people that committed the crimes and doing whatever they can to make up for what happened.

I also can not speak for my parish priest, but he's a good of (of that I've no doubt) and I'm sure he's hurt by this himself and probably feeling a huge amount of guilt too.

Isn't there some saying "bad things happen when good people do nothing" or something along those lines?

It's not like this is the Catholic churches first scandal either they have a history of treating their followers in the most horrible ways. If the average Catholic took it upon themselves to demand real changes in the church (and I don't mean complaining to Joe Duffy) they'd get a round of applause and a bit of respect from me but until they do something about their church they'll get none, in fact I'll go out of my way to dismantle the church as it's a hazard to humanity as it is.

You never see a priest in the pub anymore

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