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  • #122
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Outrage wrote: »
    The Cardinal is staying put. He will live out his days firm in the knowledge that he has served the Church and done the will of God to the best of his abilities and will be rewarded when he enters the kingdom of heaven.

    Stone-throwing in glasshouses comes to mind: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055844760 A truly ironic statistic for such a bunch of idiots on their little hobby-horses. The clergy are on the ground, working hard and dealing with the fallout from the perverted Irish (including putting their hands in their pockets) - what are you lot doing apart from cribbing and moaning and using the situation to further your Church-hating agendas?
    Fr Smyth?


  • #123
    PostHack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 120 ✭✭PostHack


    All of these abuse scandals just go to prove that the clergy involved don't believe a word of the rubbish they preach.

    They don't seem too afraid of spending eternity in hell anyway judging by their actions.....


  • #124
    Pompey Magnus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭Pompey Magnus


    Outrage wrote: »
    So what do you think of the Pope's latest apostolic constitution aimed at inviting Anglicans to have a closer union with the Catholic Church then? When all the High Anglicans (and I have heard some excellent High Anglican sermons in my time I might add) break away, I suppose you'll be left on the side with all the gay vicars, lesbian bishops and happy-clappy guitar-singing folk groups. Good riddance.

    That sums up Catholics for me. Condemn and mock the gay and harmless among the Anglican clergy yet defend the reprehensible Catholic Church which has done so much harm to children.

    I really couldn't paint a more accurate picture of the mind of a Catholic than you just did there. Thank you.


  • #125
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    Outrage, isn't it slightly understandable that people have questions about the RCC after what has happened?

    As for the Anglican Communion, I think despite their own issues have been always transparent about them as they have arisen. There is a recognition that there is a huge disagreement in Anglicanism concerning homosexuality, the role of women in the church, style of worship (evangelical vs liberal vs Anglo-Catholic) and on Biblical interpretation.


  • #126
    PeterIanStaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    Outrage wrote: »
    You probably haven't got a clue about Catholicism apart from the filth you pick up in the Sunday Independent

    I have a mind of my own, am able to form my own opinions, and do not like being dictated to or preached to by a bunch of holier than thou hypocrites. Therefore, I neither attend mass nor read the Sindo.


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  • #127
    the_dark_side
    Closed Accounts Posts: 595 ✭✭✭the_dark_side


    the_dark_side wrote: »
    in case there are people that havent seen this...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xajCUE6oHkI

    bump


  • #128
    Pompey Magnus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭Pompey Magnus


    the_dark_side wrote: »
    bump

    I don't think too many people accept the video tbh, its regarded as being poorly reseached from a historical point of view and heavily biased.


  • #129
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    the_dark_side wrote: »
    bump
    We saw it the first time.


  • #130
    anti-venom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 588 ✭✭✭anti-venom


    Outrage wrote: »
    The Cardinal is staying put. He will live out his days firm in the knowledge that he has served the Church and done the will of God to the best of his abilities and will be rewarded when he enters the kingdom of heaven.

    Stone-throwing in glasshouses comes to mind: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055844760 A truly ironic statistic for such a bunch of idiots on their little hobby-horses. The clergy are on the ground, working hard and dealing with the fallout from the perverted Irish (including putting their hands in their pockets) - what are you lot doing apart from cribbing and moaning and using the situation to further your Church-hating agendas?



    Let me ask you if, for instance, it was a school secretary who had discovered Smith's crimes against children; would you be as quick to defend that secretary? Would that person have been seen to fulfill their moral and legal duty by not bringing the crime to the attention of the Gardai? No. That person would be rightly castigated and hopefully prosecuted for their negligence.

    Why, then, is there some exemption for Brady in this regard? He had a moral and legal duty to do whatever he could to help. He failed like the weasly, spineless coward that he is.

    There was any number of approaches open to him if he truly felt he wanted to help these victims. He has a tongue in his head, hasn't he? If he knew, as surely he did, that the Bishop would sweep this under the rug then why didn't he use his tongue by talking to a reporter, the gardai or who ever else he though might be able to help? Ffs, he could have screamed it from the pulpit if he wanted to.

    Can he put his head on his pillow tonight safe in the knowledge that he did everything humanly possible to prevent further abuse by Brendan Smith? No, sadly for the victims he can't. And what prevented him from making public the then allegations against Smith? Was Brady such a conniving careerist who feared for his future in the church if he crossed his superiors? Was he so loyal to his church that he would wilfully endanger further children rather than see a public scandal? To his shame he remained silent, bullied the children and their families into silence and this is why he should be facing charges in court. He is complicit in crimes against children.


  • #131
    Outrage
    Closed Accounts Posts: 172 ✭✭Outrage


    anti-venom wrote: »
    Let me ask you if, for instance, it was a school secretary who had discovered Smith's crimes against children; would you be as quick to defend that secretary? Would that person have been seen to fulfill their moral and legal duty by not bringing the crime to the attention of the Gardai? No. That person would be rightly castigated and hopefully prosecuted for their negligence.

    Why, then, is there some exemption for Brady in this regard? He had a moral and legal duty to do whatever he could to help. He failed like the weasly, spineless coward that he is.

    There was any number of approaches open to him if he truly felt he wanted to help these victims. He has a tongue in his head, hasn't he? If he knew, as surely he did, that the Bishop would sweep this under the rug then why didn't he use his tongue by talking to a reporter, the gardai or who ever else he though might be able to help? Ffs, he could have screamed it from the pulpit if he wanted to.

    Can he put his head on his pillow tonight safe in the knowledge that he did everything humanly possible to prevent further abuse by Brendan Smith? No, sadly for the victims he can't. And what prevented him from making public the then allegations against Smith? Was Brady such a conniving careerist who feared for his future in the church if he crossed his superiors? Was he so loyal to his church that he would wilfully endanger further children rather than see a public scandal? To his shame he remained silent, bullied the children and their families into silence and this is why he should be facing charges in court. He is complicit in crimes against children.

    I say! Dr Garret Fitzgerald in leg irons.

    You're a foaming at the mouth mob merchant with an agenda.


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  • #132
    anti-venom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 588 ✭✭✭anti-venom


    Outrage wrote: »
    I say! Dr Garret Fitzgerald in leg irons.

    You're a foaming at the mouth mob merchant with an agenda.

    Oh yeah, I have an agenda alright and it's not an ulterior one either. I take every opportunity that arises when it comes to putting the boot into Rome's bullyboy paedo club better know as the Catholic Church. I mean, c'mon, it's not like they haven't provided us with the rod we're beating them with. Architects of their own downfall.


  • #133
    the_dark_side
    Closed Accounts Posts: 595 ✭✭✭the_dark_side


    Pompey Magnus wrote: »
    I don't think too many people accept the video tbh, its regarded as being poorly reseached from a historical point of view and heavily biased.

    not meaning to drag it out... but it did take the time to research what the film clip claimed, and it is accurate


  • #134
    Paparazzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,395 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    Outrage wrote: »
    So what do you think of the Pope's latest apostolic constitution aimed at inviting Anglicans to have a closer union with the Catholic Church then? When all the High Anglicans (and I have heard some excellent High Anglican sermons in my time I might add) break away, I suppose you'll be left on the side with all the gay vicars, lesbian bishops and happy-clappy guitar-singing folk groups. Good riddance.

    Ah yes, God loves all of his children. Except for the gays


  • #135
    steo87
    Closed Accounts Posts: 510 ✭✭✭steo87


    In your poll option why didn't you say "perverting" the course of justice - the correct term and it suits this disgusting excuse of a man and his cronies.


  • #136
    Outrage
    Closed Accounts Posts: 172 ✭✭Outrage


    Paparazzo wrote: »
    Except for the gays

    Funny interpretation of the Catechism of the Catholic Church you have there matey. Are you another quarter-educated, liberal boards.ie user (35% of whom have been arrested) with too much time/information on his hands? Do you honestly think that when Cardinal Brady goes home to his palace at night, he actually cares what you and your cronies think? People have hated hated the Church throughout the ages. The populist mob spat in the face of Christ, crucified him, openly applauded it and denounced his name. 2010 is no different when it comes to such people.


  • #137
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Outrage wrote: »
    Funny interpretation of the Catechism of the Catholic Church you have there matey. Are you another quarter-educated, liberal boards.ie user (35% of whom have been arrested) with too much time/information on his hands? Do you honestly think that when Cardinal Brady goes home to his palace at night, he actually cares what you and your cronies think? People have hated hated the Church throughout the ages. The populist mob spat in the face of Christ, crucified him, openly applauded it and denounced his name. 2010 is no different when it comes to such people.
    Yeah, and we're still infested with trolls. Seriously, this is just silly.


  • #138
    Rebelheart
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Rebelheart


    super_furry wrote: »
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0315/abuse.html

    Just reading this and every time I think I can't be more apauled or sickened by the Irish Catholic Church, they shock me.

    "Speaking on Today with Pat Kenny, Monsignor Maurice Dooley, former Professor of Canon Law, said Cardinal Brady had no obligation to report anything to gardaí.

    At the weekend, Dr Brady confirmed that he was present in 1975 when two young victims of the late Fr Brendan Smyth were asked to sign an oath of secrecy."

    Sick, evil men.


    This was a breathtaking interview with this Monsignor Maurice Dooley character, a guy I had never heard of before. He was so full of arrogance and even managed to say that the law of God, which he equated with Canon law, was not necessarily accountable or inferior to the civil law of the Irish state. It's a good job Mary Raftery was in the studio to correct him on the civil law.

    If any of you can listen to it, you will be astounded at what he was saying. These "leaders" of the Roman Catholic Church belong to a different century, and it's not in the future. The interview with Dooley can be found here:

    http://www.rte.ie/radio1/todaywithpatkenny/


  • #139
    Outrage
    Closed Accounts Posts: 172 ✭✭Outrage


    Rebelheart wrote: »
    He was so full of arrogance and even managed to say that the law of God, which he equated with Canon law,

    Shock horror!


  • #140
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Outrage on Ignore would be the smart move here I think. Every post is grist to his/her mill.


  • #141
    Winty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Winty


    humanji wrote: »
    Yeah, and we're still infested with trolls. Seriously, this is just silly.

    Is outrage just looking for a fight?

    This was a great thread with some very smart people with good ideas, with Outrage in the mix its getting a bit silly

    Well done all, a lot of very cool comments :)


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  • #142
    Rebelheart
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Rebelheart


    Outrage wrote: »
    Funny interpretation of the Catechism of the Catholic Church you have there matey. Are you another quarter-educated, liberal boards.ie user (35% of whom have been arrested) with too much time/information on his hands? Do you honestly think that when Cardinal Brady goes home to his palace at night, he actually cares what you and your cronies think? People have hated hated the Church throughout the ages. The populist mob spat in the face of Christ, crucified him, openly applauded it and denounced his name. 2010 is no different when it comes to such people.

    My precious, precious child: you are misguided, historically and otherwise.


  • #143
    genericguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭genericguy


    CokaColumbo wrote: »

    No. 1) There are two collections during mass. One is for the priests of the parish, and one is for the sick and poor of the parish. The second collection is the reason why the Catholic church is the biggest charity in the world.

    No. 2) Although the church is the last place any abuse should occur, it is not fair to condemn all Catholics and all priests in general for what has been committed by a small number of lay people and clergy. Do not forget that the vast majority of abuse is committed within the home, by ordinary men and women. Should we "f*ck" all parents? And "f*ck" all uncles and aunts? hmmm?

    No. 3) Its the government, not the Church, that is paying for most of the damages to abuse victims.



    Spot on.

    point 1 - why, as a global corporation, does the rcc not pay themselves from their extensive coffers for charity and food for the hungry? instead of having the bare-faced fcuking cheek to ask those whose trust and faith they betray on a daily basis to foot the fcuking bill.

    point 2 - as i said, all the fathers and mothers in ireland don't group together to suppress the voices of abused children. even though a comparatively small number of priests rode little kids and threatened to kill them if they told, every last member of the organisation was complicit in covering this up.

    point 3 - the government paying damages for abuse victims is not a point in defence of the poxy church.

    in conclusion, your post is shit, and i hope cardinal daly gets raped.


  • #144
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,440 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    prinz wrote: »
    Why what did I do? :confused: I haven't abused anyone, raped anyone, I haven't excused anyone for the crimes they have committed, I fully support prison sentences for anyone who was involved directly or was involved in the cover up.

    By the by the majority of abuse takes place in the home.. by parents and family members. **** all you parents, and grandparents, and children, and uncles, and aunts and cousins....

    I think anyone that supports the Church by giving them money in the baskets at the Sunday masses are partly responsible.

    The second point is a valid point but I feel in this context that you are tying to divert attention away from the cover up of the Church over several decades.


  • #145
    Outrage
    Closed Accounts Posts: 172 ✭✭Outrage


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    I think anyone that supports the Church by giving them money in the baskets at the Sunday masses are partly responsible.

    Quick Q. Are you a taxpayer?


  • #146
    goat2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,935 ✭✭✭goat2


    Outrage wrote: »
    Quick Q. Are you a taxpayer?
    he is as guilty as smith, so should resign and be charged with accessory to these crimes


  • #147
    genericguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭genericguy


    Outrage wrote: »
    Quick Q. Are you a taxpayer?

    your inevitable smart answer is obvious, however the fact that our government is deep in the pocket of the rapin' crapolic church is no defence of the church.

    people being forced by the government to contribute to this shyte is not the same as the oul biddy cnuts who wilfully support them by turning up begging for forgiveness for the sins two metaphorical people who ate a poxy apple.


  • #148
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,788 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Outrage wrote: »
    Funny interpretation of the Catechism of the Catholic Church you have there matey. Are you another quarter-educated, liberal boards.ie user (35% of whom have been arrested) with too much time/information on his hands?
    Just like our hero Jesus was arrested.
    Do you honestly think that when Cardinal Brady goes home to his palace at night, he actually cares what you and your cronies think?
    No, that's part of the problem.


  • #149
    tech77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭tech77


    Outrage wrote: »
    Funny interpretation of the Catechism of the Catholic Church you have there matey. Are you another quarter-educated, liberal boards.ie user (35% of whom have been arrested) with too much time/information on his hands? Do you honestly think that when Cardinal Brady goes home to his palace at night, he actually cares what you and your cronies think? People have hated hated the Church throughout the ages. The populist mob spat in the face of Christ, crucified him, openly applauded it and denounced his name. 2010 is no different when it comes to such people.

    What's with all the recent trolls on Boards.


  • #150
    genericguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭genericguy


    tech77 wrote: »
    What's with all the recent trolls on Boards.

    it's all the people who got laptops for christmas, coupled with the spread of the internet to the countryside. based on that nutter's responses to this thread i'd say he's from listowel.


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  • #151
    Cheap Thrills!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,723 ✭✭✭Cheap Thrills!


    tech77 wrote: »
    What's with all the recent trolls on Boards.

    ....a lot of 'retired' bishops with more time on their hands :pac:


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