Musgrave Park redevelopment

PhatPiggins · 15-03-2010 12:45PM

buck65 wrote: »

I agree Thomond, 3 or 4 ML games a year in Musgrave Park is fine by me but after building a super world class stadium in Thomond another one would be ridiculous. By all means have a decent 12,500 seater stadium with good facilities. Thomond should still be used for the big ML games (interpros) and all the HCup games.

Munster v Cardiff had a crowd of 15k aprox. Both the Ulster and Connacht games had 20k plus (I think that Connacht sold out but being on Stephen's day alot might have stayed in the pub or at home). Very good attendances for League games.

The posts about rotating the A games around the province are spot on too.

Where do you live Buck? I'm going to presume Thomond is an Angela's Ashes scallywag.

buck65 · 15-03-2010 01:18PM

Ennis phat.
I may be biased, Ennis to Thomond in 25 minutes and that includes apiss in the LIT carpark:D

PhatPiggins · 15-03-2010 02:11PM

buck65 wrote: »

Ennis phat.
I may be biased, Ennis to Thomond in 25 minutes and that includes apiss in the LIT carpark:D

I had a feeling you might be as are a lot of the posters on this thread nay saying Mussies redevelopement.

I'd agree that 12,500 all seater would be ideal but the "ar sure give Musgrave 3/4 games a year. Thats enough for them" annoys the crap out of me.

Thomond park isn't exactly in the centre of the provence(it takes me three hours to get to Limerick).

P.s. I'm glad you found a practical use for that drain on revenue that is LIT

phog · 15-03-2010 02:30PM

PhatPiggins wrote: »

Where do you live Buck? I'm going to presume Thomond is an Angela's Ashes scallywag.

Should they also develope a stadium in Kerry and Waterford to meet the needs of the supporters in the West and East of the province?

durkadurka · 15-03-2010 02:39PM

phog wrote: »

Should they also develope a stadium in Kerry and Waterford to meet the needs of the supporters in the West and East of the province?

Aren't you forgetting Tipperary and Clare. Shouldn't they have 20,000 seat stadiums too?

PhatPiggins · 15-03-2010 02:39PM

phog wrote: »

Should they also develope a stadium in Kerry and Waterford to meet the needs of the supporters in the West and East of the province?

Is this your attempt at baiting me? Oh right your from Limerick too.

West Kerry/Clare/Tipp/Limerick can easily get to Thomond park. Why should fans from Cork/Waterford/East Kerry have to travel 6 hours round trip for every game.

The majority of Munster games should and always will be played in Limerick. But we deserve a semi decent stadium for the games that are not. The Munster branch obviously believe that its finacially and socially viable and I'm delighted with the decision.

buck65 · 15-03-2010 02:56PM

Phat, I actually agree with everything you said.

ScrubsfanChris · 15-03-2010 03:03PM

What ever about the need for a second 20k+ stadium for Munster Rugby.
Cork City, the second biggest in Ireland, has no large municipal stadium which is amazing.
Páirc Uí Chaoimh is a tip inside and out, and won't get done up until the planed Docklands redevelopment goes ahead.
Anyway, to segregate Cork from all Munster matches would be a travisty.
I don't mind going to Limerick for the H-Cup games, but we have to keep atleast 50/55% of the Magners league games in Cork.

JustinDee · 15-03-2010 03:09PM

profitius wrote: »

I think MP is part owned by the IRFU. I also think that Munster have the option of buying the IRFU's share in it, when they can afford it.

It is all owned by IRFU.
Munster is a branch of the IRFU.

Aidric · 15-03-2010 03:21PM

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

Anyway, to segregate Cork from all Munster matches would be a travisty.

What are you on about? Where was that ever suggested?

phog · 15-03-2010 03:49PM

PhatPiggins wrote: »

Is this your attempt at baiting me? Oh right your from Limerick too.

West Kerry/Clare/Tipp/Limerick can easily get to Thomond park. Why should fans from Cork/Waterford/East Kerry have to travel 6 hours round trip for every game.

The majority of Munster games should and always will be played in Limerick. But we deserve a semi decent stadium for the games that are not. The Munster branch obviously believe that its finacially and socially viable and I'm delighted with the decision.

Yes, I'm from Limerick, no I'm not baiting you. I travel to MP for all the ML matches as well as to TP and I know full well the travels problems that face the fans that have to travel but I dont see how the Munster Branch can jusitfy spending whatever amount of millions required on the redevelopment of MP when they could spend it on making Munster a stronger team.

Due to TP having sold 10 year tickets they have to host about 6 ML and 3 HC matches that leaves the remaining ML league matches in MP, does that warrant a 20K stadium, the evidence is no.

profitius · 15-03-2010 04:54PM

JustinDee wrote: »

It is all owned by IRFU.
Munster is a branch of the IRFU.

But the provinces are allowed make their own money etc and I think the IRFU gets a percentage of the profits if they control park of the stadium. Its not very clear how the system operates but thats what I have come to understand regarding the situation.

profitius · 15-03-2010 04:59PM

PhatPiggins wrote: »

I had a feeling you might be as are a lot of the posters on this thread nay saying Mussies redevelopement.

Its just a coincedence that the people who are against the MP development are living near TP.

Anyway, I don't think MP's development will effect the team. In the longer term it'll make it stronger especially in the ML with a bigger crowd roaring them on.

Co45 · 15-03-2010 05:07PM

Would much prefer to see the IRFU using that 20million for youth development rather than upgrading another stadium for Munster. Just seems wasteful.

buck65 · 15-03-2010 05:30PM

I think it would be seen as an investment i.e they would hope to get a return by way of profit out of it.

Co45 · 15-03-2010 05:43PM

buck65 wrote: »

I think it would be seen as an investment i.e they would hope to get a return by way of profit out of it.

Would they though? Its taking games away from a bigger stadium so I'd assume they would be losing ticket sales revenue. Also with a World Cup on the horizon I would love to see that money invested into things like bringing in some world class scrum coaches for all the provinces, etc.

buck65 · 15-03-2010 05:57PM

Or a bronze statue of Keith Earls.

phog · 15-03-2010 07:04PM

buck65 wrote: »

I think it would be seen as an investment i.e they would hope to get a return by way of profit out of it.

Why not use the same money to invest in a bigger or better coaching team, bigger or better squad, academy squad, increasing the size of TP, all these investments would help the Munster brand increase profits too and hopefully bring more silverware

profitius · 15-03-2010 07:15PM

I'd actually prefer if they invested in developing young players and set up an excellent scouting system throughout the province. But that wouldn't coast too much. I don't think it should be spent on paying foreigners big bucks. Theres enough talent in Munster to have a really good team and strength in all positions if those players were spotted.

Having said all of that they could easily do both. I presume they're not taking any money risks with their plan.

Amazotheamazing · 16-03-2010 06:30AM

While i can see the logic in extending Musgrave, a better question would be why does it take 2 hours to get from Cork to Limerick, they are only 90 km apart, same for Waterford, roughly. If we actually had proper infrastructure in Ireland, we'd have municipal stadia and proper roads between the regions. Course we don't, so it falls on sports bodies like the IRFu to make do as best they can.

I've never seen any evidence that Cork rugby needs a stadium as large as Thomond, I think 12-15,000 is fine, but 22,000 is verging on overambitious.

Btw, I don't see anything massively wrong with Munster picking a venue in Waterford, Tipp, Kerry and Clare and ensuring they can at least host Munster A matches and friendlies. So far we know the RSC can, as can Nenagh and Clonmel RFC's, why not try and get some investment for Ennis RFC and (say) Tralee RFC too. It's not like a lot of facilities are needed, with the exception of floodlights. Aren't there grants going for such things?

ScrubsfanChris · 04-08-2011 11:04PM

I meant to post this a while back and completely forgot....

Work Underway On New Musgrave Park Stand

Work to replace the old Musgrave Park Stand in time for Munster's pre-season friendly against London Wasps on Friday, August 19 is on schedule.

The old Stand at Musgrave Park that had existed since the 1980s has now been demolished and the space cleared to allow for construction of a 3,000-seater Stand - although the Terraces that flanked the old Stand will remain.

Work on the erection of the new Stand commenced today, following the delivery of the structural material.

Musgrave Park Facilities Manager Ian Dunne is confident that all be ready for the pre-season game against London Wasps at the Cork venue on Friday, August 19.

Musgrave Park, home to the Dolphin and Sunday's Well clubs, was purchased by the Munster Branch of the IRFU in 1938 but used during the war years to store turf.

Although club games were played there after the war ended, the first representative game was held in 1954 when Munster hosted Ulster in the Interprovincial Championship

When work is completed, the overall capacity of Musgrave Park will increase from 8,500 to 9,250 spectators.

http://www.irishrugby.ie/provincial/news/23411.php

Anyone have updated pics?

Musgrave Park redevelopment

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