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Eastern europe, give us your poor.

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  • #212
    scudzilla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,009 ✭✭✭✭scudzilla


    lonad wrote: »
    I think you'll find that the PPS numbers were issued when we were close to 100% employment and required an influx of foreign workers to come in and work to keep the Celtic Tiger alive and kicking.


    Alot for you to fathom is it?

    Not at all, but now we're nowhere near 100% employment then they should stop issuing PPS numbers to non nationals, this country cannot afford to be brought down like Iceland. Places like the U.S can be real choosy about who they let in to work, why can't we?


  • #213
    IrishManSaipan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭IrishManSaipan


    lonad wrote: »
    So thats carers and dependant children covered then , harsh fcuking rules them.

    Can you please read the post I was responding to before you jump in with your tuppence worth.


  • #214
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    IrishManSaipan wrote: »
    Latvia has the highest unemployment rate in the EU, circa 20%. They have no social welfare system worth speaking of. What do you think they were coming here for? Craic agus ceol?:rolleyes:

    According to this:
    Number of immigrants on dole soars

    3,551 Latvians claim SW. We sure are over run.

    PS. You seem to pride yourself on links.

    Any links on how EU migrants can claim SWA after having just arrived here?

    You've posted this as fact a couple of times.

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  • #215
    greendom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭greendom


    scudzilla wrote: »
    Not at all, but now we're nowhere near 100% employment then they should stop issuing PPS numbers to non nationals, this country cannot afford to be brought down like Iceland. Places like the U.S can be real choosy about who they let in to work, why can't we?

    Because we're fully signed up members of the EU. It would be a bit like a state in the US, California for example, preventing people from other states from entering theirs.

    And I don't think Iceland's economic woes had anything to do with immigration (unless currency needs a passport).


  • #216
    Kasabian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    IrishManSaipan wrote: »
    Can you please read the post I was responding to before you jump in with your tuppence worth.


    I read the content of your post and the post you were responding to , I have posted my response.


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  • #217
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    walshb wrote: »
    Sorry, no disrespect, I don't see it at all. Give me a good looking Irish girl any day of the week. Something cleaner about them...

    This is not a racist (hatred or intolerance of another race or other races) comment. But calling him a racist will certainly disallow him to voice his opinions any further on an open forum though.


  • #218
    IrishManSaipan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭IrishManSaipan


    greendom wrote: »
    Because we're fully signed up members of the EU. It would be a bit like a state in the US, California for example, preventing people from other states from entering theirs.

    And I don't think Iceland's economic woes had anything to do with immigration (unless currency needs a passport).

    If a Pole is unemployed in Ireland he is entitled to the dole. If a Pole is unemployed in Germany, after three months, he is illegal.


  • #219
    greendom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭greendom


    IrishManSaipan wrote: »
    If a Pole is unemployed in Ireland he is entitled to the dole. If a Pole is unemployed in Germany, after three months, he is illegal.

    Shame on Germany


  • #220
    TheZohanS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    Kivaro wrote: »
    This is not a racist (hatred or intolerance of another race or other races) comment. But calling him a racist will certainly disallow him to voice his opinions any further on an open forum though.


    No disrespect but you're just a troll.


  • #221
    Kasabian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    scudzilla wrote: »
    Not at all, but now we're nowhere near 100% employment then they should stop issuing PPS numbers to non nationals, this country cannot afford to be brought down like Iceland. Places like the U.S can be real choosy about who they let in to work, why can't we?


    I think you'll find that as members of Europe ( and a country that has benefitted from it massively ) we are unable to do this.


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  • #222
    IrishManSaipan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭IrishManSaipan


    greendom wrote: »
    Shame on Germany

    Perfectly legal under EU law. We can do the same(up until May 2011 iirc).


  • #223
    IrishManSaipan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭IrishManSaipan


    lonad wrote: »
    I think you'll find that as members of Europe ( and a country that has benefitted from it massively ) we are unable to do this.

    We have indeed. But will we in the future?


  • #224
    greendom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭greendom


    IrishManSaipan wrote: »
    Perfectly legal under EU law. We can do the same(up until May 2011 iirc).

    This is just a temporary thing though surely; countries have time to adopt eu directives to their statutes but there will be a time frame in place to implement them fully


  • #225
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    IrishManSaipan wrote: »
    The influx of foreigners inflated the boom and is one of the reasons the property market overheated to such an extent. If we slowed things down in 2004-2006 we would not be in such a perilous position today.

    Of course those who voiced their concerns were scoffed at. Kinda like today.

    Ah, this is the type of logic that invades EU and immigration threads.

    We had full employment from about 02/03 onwards so the chances were, growth after that would require immigration.

    Immigrants are a small part of the property boom, though I do remember Power publishing a report about 06 suggesting immigrants would sustain the bubble.

    Immigration was a symptom of the problem, we, Irish people created. People at the the bottom of the property pyramid, expected profit from growth in property prices, not rental yields. The Irish property obsession fuelled this. I blame the Brits and the famine! :eek:

    Personally, immigrants suffered just as much as ordinary Irish people. They went were work was available, same as the Irish did before them. You could say the Irish didn't have the SW benefits they had, but that's change for you.

    Ironically, we were probably the first poor country to join the old EEC. They took a chance on us and we are a reason, expansion was encouraged.

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  • #226
    opinion guy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,000 ✭✭✭✭opinion guy


    Kivaro wrote: »
    Your first post on this thread and it is to report another person yet again. Quelle surprise.

    And when your buddy threatens the poster not to to post again, you go ahead and try to entice him to answer so that he can be banned. But guess what, nothing will happen to you. I presume that your bud will ban me though for pointing out his modding inconsistencies.

    Just to make you happy - reported for griefing. No idea who you are or why you keep targetting me, but here is a tip - keep targetting someone and not actually contributing to the discussion gets you banned. Bye !! I won't be repsonding to you again


  • #227
    scudzilla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,009 ✭✭✭✭scudzilla


    IrishManSaipan wrote: »
    If a Pole is unemployed in Ireland he is entitled to the dole. If a Pole is unemployed in Germany, after three months, he is illegal.

    And Germany are one of the richest countries in the EU


  • #228
    MikeC101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭MikeC101


    scudzilla wrote: »
    In 2006 more PPS numbers were issued to Poles than issued to Irish National! :eek::eek: And the figures were more or less even for 2007

    Lots of jobs at the time - the Irish number are fairly consistent over the years, the Polish ones peak with the boom (or somewhat later than it). But I was surprised to see they outnumbered Irish ones for sure.

    From this article: "CSO figures show that in the year to April 2009, a total of 65,100 people emigrated from Ireland. More than 35,000 of them were non-Irish nationals. Some 18,400 were Irish citizens."

    So a lot of those PPS numbers aren't in use anymore.
    IrishManSaipan wrote: »
    The mass immigrationists hate when one posts the figures. So I do so at every given opportunity.:)

    Its easier to report innocuous posts and scream racism.

    I hope you're not trying to label me as a "mass immigrationist", I certainly have no issues with figures being posted. I take issue when they're not interpreted correctly, or portrayed as illustrating something they don't, in an attempt to push an agenda. I also haven't reported any of your posts, or accused you of racism.


  • #229
    IrishManSaipan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭IrishManSaipan


    K-9 wrote: »
    Ironically, we were probably the first poor country to join the old EEC. They took a chance on us and we are a reason, expansion was encouraged.

    We were a small rock with 3,000,000 people. Our accession also guaranteed the EU fishing rights in our waters. Hardly the gamble of the century.


  • #230
    Kasabian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    IrishManSaipan wrote: »
    The influx of foreigners inflated the boom and is one of the reasons the property market overheated to such an extent. If we slowed things down in 2004-2006 we would not be in such a perilous position today.

    Of course those who voiced their concerns were scoffed at. Kinda like today.


    Just to take you up on this point , you are blaming an influx of immigrant workers on the inflated prices of property. Can you quantify this with your zealous penchant for numbers. How many of the low paid , minimum waged immigrants are now living in negative equity in this country. How many of these immigrat workers have over extended themselves with mortgage , personal and credit card debt?. How many of these immigrant workers were signing off 100% mortgages and supplying endless pots of money to their developer friends ? . How many of these immigrants workers are responsible for the Global financial collapse or the transfer of pension and tax monies to bail out the banks and fund Nama.

    I am afraid that your mask is thin , as soon as things go tits up you blame the immigrants . Do you have Nick Griffins number , what with your views and your choice of reading material , there are signs..


  • #231
    Mr Benevolent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,433 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent


    I assume the OP knows which EU country's citizens are most numerous in Ireland. I wonder if he knows the answer this question, and at the same time whether he'd worry that these people are allowed to claim the dole.

    I suspect I know what his answer will be. This thread is just one long racist diatribe. Blame the bleedin' forrners for everything, that's real intelligent. The OP is dressing up his racism as an impassioned plea for very shaky logic. Should I self-invoke Godwin's Law here?


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  • #232
    IrishManSaipan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭IrishManSaipan


    MikeC101 wrote: »
    So a lot of those PPS numbers aren't in use anymore.

    Id say anything from 50-70% of the PPS numbers issued are still active.


  • #233
    MikeC101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭MikeC101


    Confab wrote: »
    I assume the OP knows which EU country's citizens are most numerous in Ireland. I wonder if he knows the answer this question, and at the same time whether he'd worry that these people are allowed to claim the dole.

    I suspect it's UK citizens?


  • #234
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    IrishManSaipan wrote: »
    Id say............

    Based on what ?


  • #235
    MikeC101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭MikeC101


    IrishManSaipan wrote: »
    Id say anything from 50-70% of the PPS numbers issued are still active.

    Pffft....Why not 96.57% - 1,860% while you're at it.


  • #236
    dasdog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,965 ✭✭✭dasdog


    Bubble stages

    On the way up:
    Take off
    Media Attention
    Enthusiasm
    Greed
    Delusion

    On the way Down:
    Denial
    Bull Trap
    Fear
    Captiulation
    Despair

    I hope we don't get the disease of the associated negativites in relation to immigration with an economic downturn. People want to work. Especially those skilled who have had limited previous opportunities. Mostly greedy Irish people put the noose our the countries economic neck for the forseeable future not immigrants. People won't flock here in their millions to get the dole. We can't afford it for starters. More rubbish from newspapers.

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  • #237
    Mr Benevolent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,433 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent


    MikeC101 wrote: »
    I suspect it's UK citizens?

    Yep, by a very large margin. According to the OP they've been overheating the property market and various other ills. Shame on them. Are they bleedin' forrners as well OP?


  • #238
    scudzilla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,009 ✭✭✭✭scudzilla


    MikeC101 wrote: »
    "CSO figures show that in the year to April 2009, a total of 65,100 people emigrated from Ireland. More than 35,000 of them were non-Irish nationals. Some 18,400 were Irish citizens."

    So a lot of those PPS numbers aren't in use anymore.


    .


    I suppose the remaining balance of 12,000 were goats then :P


  • #239
    IrishManSaipan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭IrishManSaipan


    Confab wrote: »
    I assume the OP knows which EU country's citizens are most numerous in Ireland. I wonder if he knows the answer this question, and at the same time whether he'd worry that these people are allowed to claim the dole.

    I suspect I know what his answer will be. This thread is just one long racist diatribe. Blame the bleedin' forrners for everything, that's real intelligent. The OP is dressing up his racism as an impassioned plea for very shaky logic. Should I self-invoke Godwin's Law here?

    You believe the deeply discredited census? More Brits than Poles? More Germans than Chinese? More Australians than Indians?

    :pac:


  • #240
    IrishManSaipan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭IrishManSaipan


    Confab wrote: »
    Yep, by a very large margin. According to the OP they've been overheating the property market and various other ills. Shame on them. Are they bleedin' forrners as well OP?

    Come here to me genius, how many ""brits" would in fact be people from NI(British citizenship) obtaining a PPS number in the south?


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  • #241
    Mr Benevolent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,433 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent


    IrishManSaipan wrote: »
    You believe the deeply discredited census? More Brits than Poles? More Germans than Chinese? More Australians than Indians?

    :pac:

    Another one who gets his views of the world from drunken pub gossip and ignorant chatter. The Irish Mails, if you will. A graduate of the school of 'My Mate Says' and 'It Stands To Reason That'.

    OP, you haven't had a cogent argument since you opened the thread. Surely you can drag up as few relevant statistics? Or are they gleaned from a hazy 2am recollection of your mate's mate's girlfriend's hairdresser's second cousin's dronings?


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