Eastern europe, give us your poor.

Currywurst · 08-03-2010 11:20PM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

With over 300,000 empty properties in the country we have built quite enough.

I am sure not all were built by Irish people.

IrishManSaipan · 08-03-2010 11:21PM

Currywurst wrote: »

I am sure not all were built by Irish people.

Whats your point?

Nodin · 08-03-2010 11:21PM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

We sure did, with the property bubble, credit splurge and mass immigration. The unholy trinity.

You seem terribly adverse to answering the questions put to you. Rather than report you for linking racist material, I've been trying to get you to address the issues. You dissappear and then bang - back with yet another thread about 'De Forunners'.....

scudzilla · 08-03-2010 11:22PM

IMO any person moving into Ireland who wants to claim benefits should only be given the same amount of benefits that they give out in there home country. For example, a guy comes over from Poland, where the Unemplyment Benefit is €50 per week (i don't know how much it really is) then if he claims benefits here he can only get €50 per week.

That'll stop the scroungers

MikeC101 · 08-03-2010 11:23PM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

Latvia has the highest unemployment rate in the EU, circa 20%. They have no social welfare system worth speaking of. What do you think they were coming here for? Craic agus ceol?:rolleyes:

Even in the poorest countries in the world, there are rich people - they could actually be coming for a holiday. Equally they could be Latvians working here returning from a trip home. Or they could be on their way over to apply for Jobseekers Allowance. Might have been a flight sold cheaply on a Latvian website. Who knows? Without anything to back it up, it's a mistake to extrapolate too much from one flight.

Edit: Actually, perhaps a better way of phrasing it would be "it's a mistake to extrapolate too much from one poster saying he thinks he read something in the paper about a flight from Latvia having mostly Latvians on it".

IrishManSaipan · 08-03-2010 11:25PM

Nodin wrote: »

You seem terribly adverse to answering the questions put to you. Rather than report you for linking racist material, I've been trying to get you to address the issues. You dissappear and then bang - back with yet another thread about 'De Forunners'.....

I answered your question in post 108.

Currywurst · 08-03-2010 11:26PM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

Whats your point?

That immigration had an advantage to giving the country a boom. Now that there is a recession, there is more focus on blaming things on immigration.

Nodin · 08-03-2010 11:27PM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

I answered your question in post 108.

And I told you I'd no interest in PM's. Please post what you have to say on the thread and we can continue on from there.

Or is there some reason you don't want to explain yourself in public....?

dotsman · 08-03-2010 11:28PM

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IrishManSaipan · 08-03-2010 11:30PM

MikeC101 wrote: »

Even in the poorest countries in the world, there are rich people - they could actually be coming for a holiday. Equally they could be Latvians working here returning from a trip home. Or they could be on their way over to apply for Jobseekers Allowance. Might have been a flight sold cheaply on a Latvian website. Who knows? Without anything to back it up, it's a mistake to extrapolate too much from one flight.

Heres the number of Latvians issued with PPS numbers in 2009(3,916). From 2000-2008 circa 42,000 Latvian were issued with PPS numbers. Latvias native population is in and around 1,600,000. Ergo one in forty Latvians have been issued with Irish PPS numbers.

http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Topics/PPSN/Pages/ppsn_all_month09.aspx

IrishManSaipan · 08-03-2010 11:32PM

Currywurst wrote: »

That immigration had an advantage to giving the country a boom.

Prove it.

Controlled and planned immigration will benefit a country. Irelands immigration policies were neither controlled nor planned.

IrishManSaipan · 08-03-2010 11:34PM

Nodin wrote: »

And I told you I'd no interest in PM's. Please post what you have to say on the thread and we can continue on from there.

Or is there some reason you don't want to explain yourself in public....?

And I answered your question. As I said if you want to interview me, take it PM.

Kasabian · 08-03-2010 11:36PM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

Latvia has the highest unemployment rate in the EU, circa 20%. They have no social welfare system worth speaking of. What do you think they were coming here for? Craic agus ceol?:rolleyes:

This is where we differ , I don't care why they are coming here , we signed up to Europe , maybe someday we will have to become migrant workers , but for you having to embrace such an exsistance would cause your head to explode. There was a time when we had no social welfare system to speak of that is why the Irish diaspora is so geographically spread. Good people left this country and built themselves lives in other countries , are Latvians or any other Eastern Eurpeans not capable of taking advantage of the new freedoms that exsist in this new Europe or are we to start putting up the razor wire fences you so clearly desire.

P.S I was forced to leave Ireland in 1988 looking for work , as I boarded the boat in Dun Laoighaire the thoughts in my head were not of where the best freebies are , they were of work and developing a life for myself , Both I have achieved because I wasn't blinkered by hatred and bigotry.

Nodin · 08-03-2010 11:38PM

I just wanted you to explain yourself publically. I thought people would be interested in knowing whether or not somebody with a penchant for starting threads about "immigrants" and the like also seems to believe some distinctly 19th century things about Jews.

But its no problem, I'll just take it you're an anti-semite.

andala · 08-03-2010 11:40PM

scudzilla wrote: »

IMO any person moving into Ireland who wants to claim benefits should only be given the same amount of benefits that they give out in there home country. For example, a guy comes over from Poland, where the Unemplyment Benefit is €50 per week (i don't know how much it really is) then if he claims benefits here he can only get €50 per week.

That'll stop the scroungers

Quite contrary. It would mean that a person claiming Irish benefit would be able to claim €200/week (?) in Poland or Lithuania, where cost of living is lower than in Ireland. Can you see possible scams here? Don't you think there's some logic behind the social benefit rates?

I correct me if I'm wrong but I think the article concerns UK only. Unlike Ireland, at present they have restrictions for the eastern european workers. These restrictions will no longer apply after April 2011 and they'll get the same access to employment and social welfare schemes like the rest of EU members. In Ireland, there's Habitual Residence condition that needs to be met even by Irish nationals. I don't think there's an EU regulation that would grant more rights to eastern europeans than citizens of any country...

Currywurst · 08-03-2010 11:40PM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

Prove it.

Controlled and planned immigration will benefit a country. Irelands immigration policies were neither controlled nor planned.

I cant prove it, its just an opinion.

Mike 1972 · 08-03-2010 11:42PM

scudzilla wrote: »

IMO any person moving into Ireland who wants to claim benefits should only be given the same amount of benefits that they give out in there home country. For example, a guy comes over from Poland, where the Unemplyment Benefit is €50 per week (i don't know how much it really is) then if he claims benefits here he can only get €50 per week.

Great idea

And if he gets a job paying the Irish minimum wage he should only have to pay the same amount of tax as he would on the Polish minimum wage............

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

And I answered your question. As I said if you want to interview me, take it PM.

I thought this was supposed to be an open forum ?

MikeC101 · 08-03-2010 11:47PM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

Heres the number of Latvians issued with PPS numbers in 2009(3,916). From 2000-2008 circa 42,000 Latvian were issued with PPS numbers. Latvias native population is in and around 1,600,000. Ergo one in forty Latvians have been issued with Irish PPS numbers.

http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Topics/PPSN/Pages/ppsn_all_month09.aspx

How many are still here though? The amount of PPSN numbers issued doesn't tell us how many of those issued with them have since left the state.

http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Topics/PPSN/Pages/ppsn_all_2008.aspx gives me 38,786 PPSN issued to Latvians. But it hits a peak in 2005 of 9328, falling to 7954 the next year, then 4674, until it's 3727 in 2008. There's nothing like the numbers that were coming during the boom time, and nothing to suggest that large numbers haven't left.

IrishManSaipan · 08-03-2010 11:47PM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

I thought this was supposed to be an open forum ?

Its not an interview with IrishManSaipan forum.

m@cc@ · 08-03-2010 11:49PM

There was a time when Ireland was comparable to Eastern European countries. But the EU went a long way to bringing prosperity to Ireland. Not their fault we ****ed it up. Now it's payback time.

MikeC101 · 08-03-2010 11:50PM

andala wrote: »

In Ireland, there's Habitual Residence condition that needs to be met even by Irish nationals. I don't think there's an EU regulation that would grant more rights to eastern europeans than citizens of any country...

This is how I read it. The Habitual Residence extends to everyone, even Irish citizens, it's not just something for the accession countries, so I don't think it could be just overruled.

scudzilla · 08-03-2010 11:52PM

MikeC101 wrote: »

How many are still here though? The amount of PPSN numbers issued doesn't tell us how many of those issued with them have since left the state.

http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Topics/PPSN/Pages/ppsn_all_2008.aspx gives me 38,786 PPSN issued to Latvians. But it hits a peak in 2005 of 9328, falling to 7954 the next year, then 4674, until it's 3727 in 2008. There's nothing like the numbers that were coming during the boom time, and nothing to suggest that large numbers haven't left.

In 2006 more PPS numbers were issued to Poles than issued to Irish National! :eek::eek: And the figures were more or less even for 2007

Kivaro · 08-03-2010 11:53PM

opinion guy wrote: »

Reported. Blatantly racist.

Your first post on this thread and it is to report another person yet again. Quelle surprise.

And when your buddy threatens the poster not to to post again, you go ahead and try to entice him to answer so that he can be banned. But guess what, nothing will happen to you. I presume that your bud will ban me though for pointing out his modding inconsistencies.

Mike 1972 · 08-03-2010 11:54PM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

Its not an interview with IrishManSaipan forum.

Remind me who was the OP on this gawdforsaken thread again ? :rolleyes:

IrishManSaipan · 08-03-2010 11:55PM

andala wrote: »

I correct me if I'm wrong but I think the article concerns UK only. Unlike Ireland, at present they have restrictions for the eastern european workers. These restrictions will no longer apply after April 2011 and they'll get the same access to employment and social welfare schemes like the rest of EU members. In Ireland, there's Habitual Residence condition that needs to be met even by Irish nationals. I don't think there's an EU regulation that would grant more rights to eastern europeans than citizens of any country...

You are wrong. But that didnt stop the usual suspects thanking you to the high heavens.

Irish citizens.

"Under current law, any Irish person married to someone from outside the EU does not have a legal entitlement to bring their spouse to live with them in Ireland. This includes American and Australian nationals. These persons must apply individually to the Immigration and Naturalisation Service. But this stringent ruling does not apply to citizens from any other EU country who are married to someone from outside the EU. Citizens from any of the other 26 EU countries can bring their non-EU family members into Ireland. This provision is enshrined in Irish under the European Communities (Free Movement of Persons) (No. 2) Regulations 2006.

European citizens.

Without prejudice to any right to free movement and residence the persons concerned may have
in their own right, the host Member State shall, in accordance with its national legislation, facilitate
entry and residence for the following persons:
(a) any other family members, irrespective of their nationality, not falling under the definition in
point 2 of Article 2 who, in the country from which they have come, are dependants or
members of the household of the Union citizen having the primary right of residence, or
where serious health grounds strictly require the personal care of the family member by the
Union citizen;

Kasabian · 08-03-2010 11:57PM

scudzilla wrote: »

In 2006 more PPS numbers were issued to Poles than issued to Irish National! :eek::eek: And the figures were more or less even for 2007

I think you'll find that the PPS numbers were issued when we were close to 100% employment and required an influx of foreign workers to come in and work to keep the Celtic Tiger alive and kicking.

Alot for you to fathom is it?

IrishManSaipan · 08-03-2010 11:57PM

scudzilla wrote: »

In 2006 more PPS numbers were issued to Poles than issued to Irish National! :eek::eek: And the figures were more or less even for 2007

The mass immigrationists hate when one posts the figures. So I do so at every given opportunity.:)

Its easier to report innocuous posts and scream racism.

TheZohanS · 08-03-2010 11:57PM

walshb wrote: »

Sorry, no disrespect, I don't see it at all. Give me a good looking Irish girl any day of the week. Something cleaner about them...

TheZohan wrote: »

Explain the enbolded part please.

walshb wrote: »

Explain?

Cleaner. You know, as in they look more presentable. I am talking about effort...

I've looked at your post from every angle, it's racist. Your explanation doesn't cut it.

Banned.

IrishManSaipan · 08-03-2010 11:59PM

lonad wrote: »

I#ll think you'll find that the PPS numbers were issued when we were close to 100% employment and required an influx of foreign workers to come in and work to keep the Celtic Tiger alive and kicking.

Alot for you to fathom is it?

The influx of foreigners inflated the boom and is one of the reasons the property market overheated to such an extent. If we slowed things down in 2004-2006 we would not be in such a perilous position today.

Of course those who voiced their concerns were scoffed at. Kinda like today.

Kasabian · 09-03-2010 12:02AM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

You are wrong. But that didnt stop the usual suspects thanking you to the high heavens.

Irish citizens.

"Under current law, any Irish person married to someone from outside the EU does not have a legal entitlement to bring their spouse to live with them in Ireland. This includes American and Australian nationals. These persons must apply individually to the Immigration and Naturalisation Service. But this stringent ruling does not apply to citizens from any other EU country who are married to someone from outside the EU. Citizens from any of the other 26 EU countries can bring their non-EU family members into Ireland. This provision is enshrined in Irish under the European Communities (Free Movement of Persons) (No. 2) Regulations 2006.

European citizens.

Without prejudice to any right to free movement and residence the persons concerned may have
in their own right, the host Member State shall, in accordance with its national legislation, facilitate
entry and residence for the following persons:
(a) any other family members, irrespective of their nationality, not falling under the definition in
point 2 of Article 2 who, in the country from which they have come, are dependants or
members of the household of the Union citizen having the primary right of residence, or
where serious health grounds strictly require the personal care of the family member by the
Union citizen;

So thats carers and dependant children covered then , harsh fcuking rules them.

Eastern europe, give us your poor.

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