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Lads' mags.... from top shelf to every shelf.

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  • #32
    seahorse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭seahorse


    krudler wrote: »
    I overheard some women at work talking about some rugby player and one of them said "god I'd rape him" and they all laughed, if I was looking at a pic of a girl and said "yeah, I'd rape her" Id have been fired on the spot.

    Your issue here is that coming from a woman that would be taken as a joke, whereas a man saying the same thing would not be found light-hearted or funny. There's a reason for that: The vast vast majority of sexual violence in our world is perpetrated by men against women - not the other way around.

    If you think men are hard done by here in the humour stakes maybe consider the reasons for it - and there is no humour involved in that.


  • #33
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,044 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    krudler wrote: »
    I overheard some women at work talking about some rugby player and one of them said "god I'd rape him" and they all laughed, if I was looking at a pic of a girl and said "yeah, I'd rape her" Id have been fired on the spot.

    Did you report them? You are entitled too. The legislation is the same for both genders, if it make you uncomfortable in work then report it.


  • #34
    Boskowski
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,361 ✭✭✭Boskowski


    seahorse wrote: »
    If you think men are hard done by here in the humour stakes maybe consider the reasons for it - and there is no humour involved in that.

    It's inappropriate when anyonetalks like that.
    If a woman finds that kind of stuff offensive if uttered by a man then she shouldn't be applying double-standards to herself. Regardless of what gender commits sexual violence more often. Trying to make a case for double-standards here is ridiculous.


  • #35
    seahorse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭seahorse


    realcam wrote: »
    It's inappropriate when anyonetalks like that.
    If a woman finds that kind of stuff offensive if uttered by a man then she shouldn't be applying double-standards to herself. Regardless of what gender commits sexual violence more often. Trying to make a case for double-standards here is ridiculous.

    More of the usual PC crap I've come to expect on boards.ie :rolleyes:

    There is a WORLD of difference between a man and a woman making that comment. There is no implicit threat in a woman saying that and the reason people find it funny is because it is so unlikely as to be absurd.


  • #36
    krudler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    seahorse wrote: »
    More of the usual PC crap I've come to expect on boards.ie :rolleyes:

    There is a WORLD of difference between a man and a woman making that comment. There is no implicit threat in a woman saying that and the reason people find it funny is because it is so unlikely as to be absurd.

    That was exactly my point tbh, a few women laughed at an innappropriate joke, if it was a bunch of men who made the same joke and it was overheard by a female colleague there would be uproar.

    As for the maleon female ratio of violence, theres a good thread about this exact topic on the gentlemens club forum at the mo, makes for interesting reading.

    The debate of whether female glamour model/strippers/provocative music stars are empowered or exploited will go on forever tbh.


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  • #37
    Nevyn
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    seahorse wrote: »
    More of the usual PC crap I've come to expect on boards.ie :rolleyes:

    There is a WORLD of difference between a man and a woman making that comment. There is no implicit threat in a woman saying that and the reason people find it funny is because it is so unlikely as to be absurd.

    I know of at least 3 men who were forced to have sex with a woman against their will, two of them were asleep at the time and woke up to find the woman had lowered themselves on to them.

    To have sex with someone who has not consented is rape.

    The notion that men can't be raped and will enjoy any sexual encounter forced upon them and that women can't rape someone is wrong and harmful.


  • #38
    seahorse
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    Thaedydal wrote: »
    To have sex with someone who has not consented is rape.

    The notion that men can't be raped and will enjoy any sexual encounter forced upon them and that women can't rape someone is wrong and harmful.

    Those are very obvious facts Thaedydal and I hope you're not suggesting I'm unaware of them. My point is that the prevelence of sexual abuse directed at woman outweighs that directed at men by a staggering degree, and as to the instances of men being assaulted, it is usually men themselves doing the assaulting. This situation leads to a natural acceptance of men's joking in this fashion being less socially acceptable than this sort of crude humour coming from women.


  • #39
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,044 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    It happening to women more is cold comfort to a man it has happened to.
    That type of behaviour is not acceptable from either gender, esp in the work place it is unprofessional, breaches work code of conduct and the law and you never know what people you work with have suffered.

    I agree that the media does bombard use with such images and they can effect kids as they hit the pubesent stages, I've seen it happen with mine.


  • #40
    krudler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    You know whats really fcuked up? when you see kids wearing tshirts that say "porn star in training" and have Playboy bunny bedsheets and stuff like that, any parent who dresses their kid like that should have them taken off them tbh. Go into any city centre or shopping centre on a Saturday afternoon and you'll see at least one gaggle of teenage girls wearing skirts so short you can practically see their arse cheeks poking out, there last summer me and a friend were going out and dropped his brother, who was about 15 at the time to an "alchohol free" disco, and it was shocking seeing the way some of the girls were dressed, getting out of their mummys SUV and trying not to flash their underwear (those who were wearing any, thats apparently a big thing now at under 18 discos, short skirts with no knickers on underneath) at anyone passing by, I didnt know where to bloody look when we were parked outside.


  • #41
    Ickle Magoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Ickle Magoo


    I think the worst was the silky bra & pant set I saw - aged 3-4... :eek:


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  • #42
    Mr. Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    I really like that article about women looking at these mags are trying to emulate them and the detrimental effects.

    Fact is it is a moot point where the mags are- walk around the Wes or Dublin on a Saturday night and women are dressed this way.

    Short of bringing in the Burca there's nothing in a lads mag that isn't already walking the streets.

    I have no idea how you get the genie back in the bottle.


  • #43
    Ickle Magoo
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    Mr. Incognito wrote: »
    Fact is it is a moot point where the mags are- walk around the Wes or Dublin on a Saturday night and women are dressed this way.

    Most young kids aren't around the Wes on a Saturday night to witness it, so it's not entirely a moot point... :)


  • #44
    Giselle
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    Mr. Incognito wrote: »
    I really like that article about women looking at these mags are trying to emulate them and the detrimental effects.

    Fact is it is a moot point where the mags are- walk around the Wes or Dublin on a Saturday night and women are dressed this way.

    Short of bringing in the Burca there's nothing in a lads mag that isn't already walking the streets.

    I have no idea how you get the genie back in the bottle.



    I've yet to see a woman wearing just boots and a thong walking the streets, but maybe I just live in a really tame neighbourhood.


  • #45
    Mr. Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    Look lets not argue semantics. Fact is fifteen years ago I remember going to Scotland and seeing women in very very short skirts and skimpy tops and thinking "oh my God!" that would never be seen in Ireland. Now it's common place.

    The proliferation of lads mags off the top shelf is a reflection of the loosing of the moral shackles and the hedonistic modern lifestyle of the young.

    How this affects women's self image is a huge debate, but to argue that it is not affecting their external image is a lie. It is. Walk down grafton Street in the summer at 2 am.


  • #46
    BroomBurner
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    I don't think lad's mags are effecting girl's images of themselves, most girls (especially young girls) don't read these. The biggest threat to a girl's self confidence comes from women's magazines, not mens.

    Also, if people are worried about their children having unreal expectations about what naked women look like based on lad's mags/porn or the likes of OK, then they should be educating their children on the facts behind it.

    I'm sick of this "won't someone please think of the children" bullsh*t.


  • #47
    Ickle Magoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Ickle Magoo


    It's not "think of the children" bull****. :rolleyes: Jeez, spot the childless.

    Why should I have to field questions from a three year old girl as to why some women with her tits out is pouting at her from the magazine next to her sparkly princess one just for the sake of not having the mags on a higher shelf or in some kind of cover?!


  • #48
    Macha
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    Giselle wrote: »
    I've yet to see a woman wearing just boots and a thong walking the streets, but maybe I just live in a really tame neighbourhood.

    I also doubt they've managed to perfect airbrushing in real life (make up and all the other artifices of the "fake femininity project" can only do so much).


  • #49
    Boskowski
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,361 ✭✭✭Boskowski


    seahorse wrote:
    here is a WORLD of difference between a man and a woman making that comment. There is no implicit threat in a woman saying that and the reason people find it funny is because it is so unlikely as to be absurd.

    oh right. So what you're saying is when I say that there is an implicit threat and it's not absurd? Do you not realize how ridiculous this sounds?


  • #50
    Alicat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,264 ✭✭✭✭Alicat


    I remember a discussion very similar to this from last year (referring to mags).

    Loaded, Nuts, Etc

    Went on for a while!


  • #51
    Boskowski
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,361 ✭✭✭Boskowski


    Mr. Incognito wrote: »
    Look lets not argue semantics. Fact is fifteen years ago I remember going to Scotland and seeing women in very very short skirts and skimpy tops and thinking "oh my God!" that would never be seen in Ireland. Now it's common place.

    The proliferation of lads mags off the top shelf is a reflection of the loosing of the moral shackles and the hedonistic modern lifestyle of the young.

    How this affects women's self image is a huge debate, but to argue that it is not affecting their external image is a lie. It is. Walk down grafton Street in the summer at 2 am.

    I don't know about your theory. I'm from place that's always been fairly bohemian and would have had a pretty hedonistic reputation even a hundred years ago. But yet the girls wouldn't go out there wearing this cheap version of half nothing that they sport here a lot. Also people in general and girls in particular would carry themselves with a lot more dignity at 2am. Cue: vomiting and falling about in the same skimpy dresses.
    Don't get me wrong I'm all for skimpy dresses. Everyone to their own.
    Just don't see the relationship between lads mags and girls attire


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  • #52
    BroomBurner
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    Ickle Magoo wrote: »
    It's not "think of the children" bull****. :rolleyes: Jeez, spot the childless.

    Why should I have to field questions from a three year old girl as to why some women with her tits out is pouting at her from the magazine next to her sparkly princess one just for the sake of not having the mags on a higher shelf or in some kind of cover?!

    Ah, the usual "you don't have children, so you couldn't possibly have an opinion" rubbish :rolleyes:

    If you're so worried, talk to the shop owner about placement.
    Oh, and I've never seen lad's mags near children's comics, as in the same level as them.

    What about the three year olds that grow up asking why their face isn't perfect and spending a lifetime dieting because of the tripe in the magazines their mammies read?


  • #53
    baalthor
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    Giselle wrote: »
    I've yet to see a woman wearing just boots and a thong walking the streets, but maybe I just live in a really tame neighbourhood.
    You should watch "Snog Marry Avoid" and "Hotter than my daughter" on BBC3 ...


  • #54
    Maple
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    Ickle Magoo/Broomburner, keep it civil.

    Thanks,

    Maple


  • #55
    Ickle Magoo
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    BroomBurner wrote: »
    Ah, the usual "you don't have children, so you couldn't possibly have an opinion" rubbish :rolleyes:

    If you're so worried, talk to the shop owner about placement.
    Oh, and I've never seen lad's mags near children's comics, as in the same level as them.

    What about the three year olds that grow up asking why their face isn't perfect and spending a lifetime dieting because of the tripe in the magazines their mammies read?

    No, I just didn't think it was possible that anyone with kids would come out with such a silly statement. You're accusing me of "think of the child" bull****, I'm saying it's got nothing to do with that - it's think of the parent! I don't really want to be trying to avoid explaining about why lads like looking at breasts to a three yr old & a very simple solution would be to keep them on the top shelf or put a wrapper on them, is that really so unreasonable?

    You haven't seen it so it isn't true? You gotta love the anecdotal evidence to fight anecdotal evidence, lol.

    I can't speak for the three yr olds you refer to because this mother doesn't buy mags of any description so that's a non-issue - as well as a strawman.


  • #56
    Novella
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    My friend has a three year old daughter. We often use newspaper to cover the floor when painting, or use it to make things. I'm sure there have been boobs in those newspapers. She takes baths with her mum, she's seen boobs there. Seeing boobs is not out of the ordinary! Seriously, if a three year has the mental capacity to understand that topless women are on magazine covers for a provocative nature, I'm dead impressed. I'm pretty sure she just thinks they're pretty ladies who are extremely warm so they've taken off their top.


  • #57
    Macha
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    Novella wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure she just thinks they're pretty ladies who are extremely warm so they've taken off their top...

    ...who all have about 15% body fat and 34EE breasts, orange skin and display themselves seductively for the male viewer?

    The point isn't that these pictures exist, it's that they're practically the only type of imagery of women's bodies that exist in the general media.


  • #58
    Giselle
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    Novella wrote: »
    My friend has a three year old daughter. We often use newspaper to cover the floor when painting, or use it to make things. I'm sure there have been boobs in those newspapers. She takes baths with her mum, she's seen boobs there. Seeing boobs is not out of the ordinary! Seriously, if a three year has the mental capacity to understand that topless women are on magazine covers for a provocative nature, I'm dead impressed. I'm pretty sure she just thinks they're pretty ladies who are extremely warm so they've taken off their top.


    You're ignoring context.

    Big difference between a little girl in the bath with mummy, and a little girl looking at a pneumatic, pouting, airbrushed, posed and styled image of a hot girl who's only purpose is to titilate.

    It might be subconscious, but she'll know the difference.


  • #59
    Giselle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭Giselle


    Mr. Incognito wrote: »
    The proliferation of lads mags off the top shelf is a reflection of the loosing of the moral shackles and the hedonistic modern lifestyle of the young.

    How this affects women's self image is a huge debate but to argue that it is not affecting their external image ,is a lie. It is. Walk down grafton Street in the summer at 2 am.


    I don't think anyone's arguing that.


  • #60
    Ickle Magoo
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    Novella wrote: »
    My friend has a three year old daughter. We often use newspaper to cover the floor when painting, or use it to make things. I'm sure there have been boobs in those newspapers. She takes baths with her mum, she's seen boobs there. Seeing boobs is not out of the ordinary! Seriously, if a three year has the mental capacity to understand that topless women are on magazine covers for a provocative nature, I'm dead impressed. I'm pretty sure she just thinks they're pretty ladies who are extremely warm so they've taken off their top.

    She's seen my boobs after a swim or while changing & wouldn't bad an eye-lid, however, she hasn't seen me bending over looking back over my shoulder, pouting while wearing 8inch PVC heels, a thong and suspenders - I'm sure you can appreciate the difference! :pac:

    I'm not sure the argument is whether a three year old will/won't notice or will/won't absorb sexualised material, for me anyway - it's that it's an argument that is completely needless and an issue easily remedied with a simple step to spare my blushes. :)


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  • #61
    DannyKing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭DannyKing


    Ickle Magoo wrote: »
    It's not "think of the children" bull****. :rolleyes: Jeez, spot the childless.

    Why should I have to field questions from a three year old girl as to why some women with her tits out is pouting at her from the magazine next to her sparkly princess one just for the sake of not having the mags on a higher shelf or in some kind of cover?!

    Because you have to live within society, and do as society requires,
    unfortunately,

    be creative.


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