Hunger Strike for your job?

biko · 28-02-2010 02:15PM

JamBur wrote: »

Improper conduct for a mod to be wishing death on these guys, puts boards in a bad light, reported!

He is not a mod in AH, just another user, and can express his opinion.
Wishing death on those people isn't cool but I don't think it's against boards rules.

aDeener · 28-02-2010 02:47PM

pajodublin wrote: »

Can i just say that Boards reached a new low for me here today.
Irish people slagging off Bobby Sands
and someone even saying something about them and Ikea
WTF

Jesus ****ing christ. Don't you realise what these people did for us, What they died for?

Shame on you, you know who you are...

this place can go much much lower than that trust me

IRLConor · 28-02-2010 02:55PM

pajodublin wrote: »

Can i just say that Boards reached a new low for me here today.
Irish people slagging off Bobby Sands
and someone even saying something about them and Ikea
WTF

Jesus ****ing christ. Don't you realise what these people did for us, What they died for?

They didn't do it for "us" unless you define "us" as "Irish people who believe that violent nationalism is OK". Sorry, count me out of that moronic group.

Bobby Sands died during his second stretch in prison. He was a criminal, not a hero. With fewer people like him, not more, this would be a much more pleasant country to live in.

Forest Master · 28-02-2010 02:56PM

LOL - a hunger strike? Why would Green Isle care if 2 people go on hunger strike? They're going to starve THEMSELVES? And that affects Green Isle how, exactly? Not the brightest.

imitation · 28-02-2010 03:09PM

<Ollie> wrote: »

The Irish often get criticised for not being rebellious enough, compared to say the French. Then we get people who aren't prepared to be victims of a total act of injustice, and we get the "I laughed when I heard this on the radio" people.

I for one am glad were not like the French or other countrys who enjoy the odd riot, while Nama and the like is a disgrace, the continental solution would be to riot on the streets, which wouldnt get us anywhere. Just look at greece, if your a MNC would you really wanna setup shop there ?

As for the hunger strike, it sounds extreme to me. Whats more interesting is how people state with certainty that they were setup by management, that sounds like a load of bollox to me, its not so hard to fire somebody in this country that you have to set them up. Sad truth of it is that in any plant your going to get some plonkers who think its a great laugh to look up a bit of porno, or maybe to set somebody up when there not at there keyboard, I`ve heard of it happening plenty of times.

The Pontiac · 28-02-2010 03:12PM

Forest Master wrote: »

LOL - a hunger strike? Why would Green Isle care if 2 people go on hunger strike? They're going to starve THEMSELVES? And that affects Green Isle how, exactly? Not the brightest.

They care because it brings bad publicity, hence the reason why they're willing to enter talks.

flowersagogo · 28-02-2010 03:18PM

could somebody please give me a link to said porn,i'd like to make my own opinion on this.

JamBur · 28-02-2010 03:43PM

Magnus wrote: »

He is not a mod in AH, just another user, and can express his opinion.
Wishing death on those people isn't cool but I don't think it's against boards rules.

The fact that he is a mod on boards (nevermind what forum) means that he should have some instinct for what is proper and decent conduct. Wishing that 2 people die in such a public and current matter is totally unacceptable. Feelings are running high on both sides of this debate, he shouldnt be adding fuel to the fire!

Mr. Incognito · 28-02-2010 04:06PM

The fact that he is a mod on boards (nevermind what forum) means that he should have some instinct for what is proper and decent conduct. Wishing that 2 people die in such a public and current matter is totally unacceptable. Feelings are running high on both sides of this debate, he shouldnt be adding fuel to the fire!

Debate? Have you checked what Forum this is? Politics is that way >>>>

This is AH, I have a long list of people I wish to die. Would you like to see it?

In taxation I post as a mod. In AH I'm just another village idiot. If you want to follow my examples in other fora -I'm running off a cliff about 5 this evening. Wanna come?

recylingbin · 28-02-2010 07:32PM

We'll never forget you Timmy Sands!

This thread made me hungry.

The Pontiac · 28-02-2010 08:11PM

IRLConor wrote: »

They didn't do it for "us" unless you define "us" as "Irish people who believe that violent nationalism is OK". Sorry, count me out of that moronic group.

Bobby Sands died during his second stretch in prison. He was a criminal, not a hero. With fewer people like him, not more, this would be a much more pleasant country to live in.

Which country would be a "much more pleasant country to live in" - a catholic growing up in Northern Ireland in the early 70's? Bobby Sands' family were forced to leave their family home in Newtownabbey and move to Belfast due to loyalist threats.

I don't condone terrorism, but I try to refrain a little in my judgement. If you had lived in West Belfast during that time, then I might take your opinions a little more serious, with comments like "that moronic group" etc..

It's great to be living in the Republic, and be all judgmental and opinionated, when none of us have a fúcking clue what it was like living up there. In the case of Bobby Sands, it was almost 35 years ago when he was first imprisoned.

Pittens · 28-02-2010 08:48PM

Jesus. this thread is a good example of why people should read the entire thread. I had a stinking argument against Mr Incognito from stuff he said on page 1 and 2.

But then I read his second to last post and thanked it.

Lesson for today, people.

Read all the thread.

Pittens · 28-02-2010 08:56PM

In the case of Bobby Sands, it was almost 35 years ago when he was first imprisoned.

This is a bit off topic ( I support the workers for the record).

The hunger strike was to force the British to treat the IRA as political prisoners. I am prepared to believe the old adage that the terrorist is the guy with the smaller bombs, but only if the same rules apply to both sides.

If the IRA wanted to consider themselves an army then they should have been happy with internment - or the kind of extra judicial punishment that they themselves carried out ( not saying that didnt occasionally happen but that they complained about it).

Political prisoners have rights under international law only in a war where an army can be locked away without trial for the duration of the war ( for that reason the people in Guantanamo are political prisoners). The IRA went through a court trial for murder. They were treated as civilians by law and in prison.

Of course they were released as POWs at the of the process regardless - that is, released under the good friday agreement without regard to the length of the sentence remaining - and not held responsible for their clear war crimes ( deliberate targeting of civilians) and let's not forget that the IRA invented human bombers except they used other people. That's probably a war crime.

/ rant over

DubTony · 28-02-2010 09:09PM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

Not funny.

Hunger strike has been used by many Irish patriots throughout the years. By people like Ashe, McSwiney, Sands', The Dark, and Farrell. People like you and I wouldnt be fit to lace their boots. Your crass attempt at humour is downright disgusting and disrespectful.

If it wasnt for these people, we would not enjoy the standard of living we enjoy today. Some decorum and respect, please.

I read the thread this far and just had to reply to this one.

.... JESUS, I've been saved by Bobby F*CKING SANDS.

If some moron wants to starve himself to death to "right a wrong" let him. The planets is supposedly overpopulated anyway. It's guys like these that give eugenicists a reason to exist.

bleg · 28-02-2010 09:12PM

i love that someone ordered a pizza

DubTony · 28-02-2010 09:20PM

pajodublin wrote: »

Can i just say that Boards reached a new low for me here today.
Irish people slagging off Bobby Sands
and someone even saying something about them and Ikea
WTF

Jesus ****ing christ. Don't you realise what these people did for us, What they died for?

Shame on you, you know who you are...

Bobby Sands was a member of the IRA. So I can confidently say that he didn't die for me.

stovelid · 28-02-2010 09:20PM

I have every sympathy for somebody facing redundancy but there are better ways to state your case.

Savage Tyrant · 28-02-2010 09:34PM

pajodublin wrote: »

Can i just say that Boards reached a new low for me here today.
Irish people slagging off Bobby Sands
and someone even saying something about them and Ikea
WTF

Jesus ****ing christ. Don't you realise what these people did for us, What they died for?

Shame on you, you know who you are...

Agreed. Anyone who could belittle the sacrifice these brave soldiers made for us should be utterly ashamed of themselves.
I'm all for having a laugh and poking fun when the situation calls for it, but rediculing the sacrifice of Ireland patriot dead is a disgrace.

IRLConor · 28-02-2010 09:41PM

<Ollie> wrote: »

Which country would be a "much more pleasant country to live in" - a catholic growing up in Northern Ireland in the early 70's? Bobby Sands' family were forced to leave their family home in Newtownabbey and move to Belfast due to loyalist threats.

I don't condone terrorism, but I try to refrain a little in my judgement. If you had lived in West Belfast during that time, then I might take your opinions a little more serious, with comments like "that moronic group" etc..

It's great to be living in the Republic, and be all judgmental and opinionated, when none of us have a fúcking clue what it was like living up there. In the case of Bobby Sands, it was almost 35 years ago when he was first imprisoned.

You're assuming that there were no practical, peaceful alternatives.

The fact that the vast majority of people on both sides up north did not get involved in terrorism tells me that Bobby Sands and his ilk had other, non-criminal options.

I don't need to have lived in the north at that time to know that thousands of people were in the same boat as Bobby Sands and did not choose violence. He had a choice and he chose poorly.

The Pontiac · 28-02-2010 09:44PM

DubTony wrote: »

Bobby Sands was a member of the IRA. So I can confidently say that he didn't die for me.

I don't take the view he died for me either. You can be sure he doesn't, or didn't, take the view he died for you either. He died for a cause, a cause many people are struggling to understand.

Savage Tyrant · 28-02-2010 09:50PM

IRLConor wrote: »

You're assuming that there were no practical, peaceful alternatives.

The fact that the vast majority of people on both sides up north did not get involved in terrorism tells me that Bobby Sands and his ilk had other, non-criminal options.

I don't need to have lived in the north at that time to know that thousands of people were in the same boat as Bobby Sands and did not choose violence. He had a choice and he chose poorly.

Bobby Sands gave his life for what he believed was right, Irish freedom and human rights. His name is revered the WORLD over as a Martyr and a revolutionary. His life and actions and ultimately his death, and the deaths of his companions are celebrated year on year on year and will continue to be long after you and i are dead and buried.
Will anyone beyond your family remember you so fondly when you are gone?? I know they won't for me. but that is because these brave men were greater men than you or I will ever be. The difference is, as an Irish man, I show them and their memories the respect they deserve.

The Pontiac · 28-02-2010 09:54PM

IRLConor wrote: »

You're assuming that there were no practical, peaceful alternatives.

The fact that the vast majority of people on both sides up north did not get involved in terrorism tells me that Bobby Sands and his ilk had other, non-criminal options.

I don't need to have lived in the north at that time to know that thousands of people were in the same boat as Bobby Sands and did not choose violence. He had a choice and he chose poorly.

It doesn't mean they didn't (the non-participants) support the hunger strikers and their cause. It was universally supported by the Catholic Community. Martin McGuinness was also a member at the same time, and he's now an elected MP, so what does that tell you?

IRLConor · 28-02-2010 10:10PM

Savage Tyrant wrote: »

Bobby Sands gave his life for what he believed was right, Irish freedom and human rights. His name is revered the WORLD over as a Martyr and a revolutionary. His life and actions and ultimately his death, and the deaths of his companions are celebrated year on year on year and will continue to be long after you and i are dead and buried.
Will anyone beyond your family remember you so fondly when you are gone?? I know they won't for me. but that is because these brave men were greater men than you or I will ever be. The difference is, as an Irish man, I show them and their memories the respect they deserve.

I won't care what people think of me when I'm gone. I'll be dead!

Besides, even if I did care, I wouldn't want to be remembered for being a criminal.

Nationalism is just blind allegiance to an arbitrary line on a map. It's primitive tribalism that should have been flushed out of civilisation a long time ago, but for the determined few who constantly dredge it up again.

<Ollie> wrote: »

It doesn't mean they didn't (the non-participants) support the hunger strikers and their cause. It was universally supported by the Catholic Community.

Those same people would have equally supported a peaceful struggle (and they did, years before) so I don't think mass support is an indicator of the correctness of his actions.

Do I need to dredge up all the popularly-supported atrocities the world has seen?

<Ollie> wrote: »

Martin McGuinness was also a member at the same time, and he's now an elected MP, so what does that tell you?

There are lots of fools with either short memories or dubious morals?

The Pontiac · 28-02-2010 10:28PM

IRLConor wrote: »

Nationalism is just blind allegiance to an arbitrary line on a map. It's primitive tribalism that should have been flushed out of civilisation a long time ago, but for the determined few who constantly dredge it up again.

Who were the "the determined few who constantly dredged it up again"? The police force that was made up of entirely Protestant members who attacked peaceful civil rights marchers? Or Bloody Sunday where 14 unarmed and peaceful civil rights demonstrators were shot at?

galwayrush · 28-02-2010 10:31PM

I am often hungry because of my job,some bastards don't pay me, and my Bank are **** all use as well.:(

__ · 28-02-2010 10:33PM

DubTony wrote: »

Bobby Sands was a member of the IRA. So I can confidently say that he didn't die for me.

Nor me. Nor that other scum from the 1916 era :mad:

Muderin cúnts the lot of them.

Savage Tyrant · 28-02-2010 10:37PM

__ wrote: »

Nor me. Nor that other scum from the 1916 era :mad:

Muderin cúnts the lot of them.

well you are obviously just trolling.... either that or you are an ideal advert for contraception. or abortion. and why sibling shouldn't have offspring.

Sharpshooter · 28-02-2010 10:46PM

Right, this thread has gone completely off topic.

Anymore posts about the IRA and Bobby Sands ect and I will lock it.

IGNORE THIS AND YOU WILL BE BANNED!

IrishManSaipan · 01-03-2010 12:55AM

Excellent letter in yesterdays "Irish Times" about the strike.

A chara, – It is terrible reflection on our society that, while in November 1913 James Byrne became the first man to die on hunger strike in the 20th century, some 100 years later another man, James Wyse of the Technical Engineering and Electrical Union (TEEU), is on hunger strike for over one week now and is beginning to show the effects of it.
Workers at the Green Isle Foods factory have been out for six months and it is only since Mr Wyse began his hunger strike that the company agreed to enter talks on a resolution to the dispute. Before that it not only refused to talk to the TEEU but rebuffed interventions by the Labour Relations Commission, the National Implementation Body and the Labour Court. Today, there is a rally in Naas at noon which will call for action by the men’s employers. It is now time for the Government to intervene before this dispute results in the loss of someone’s precious life. – Is mise,
PAUL DORAN,
Monastery Walk,
Clondalkin, Dublin 22.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/letters/2010/0227/1224265275078.html

Cabaal · 01-03-2010 09:43AM

<Ollie> wrote: »

<snip>He worked there for 35 years and is a father of nine children.

How does having nine children make him any more important then somebody that has none or one? Having nine children has nothing to do with his job

Hunger Strike for your job?

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