Micheál Martin first EU Foreign Minister to Visit Gaza in 1 year

snow ghost · 26-02-2010 01:14PM

Obviously Israel doesn't have a lot for time for Ireland according to this interview on Australian TV - regarding the passport scandal - yesterday, wasn't this the same journalist on Prime Time saying Israel does care what Ireland thinks?:

"YOSSI MELMAN: Well, at the moment, I think that it's still, as far as Israel is concerned, it's a manageable crisis because the evidence presented by the Dubai police either is not applicable in a court of law, or the diplomatic arena. There are no direct links tying Israel to that, so Israel can still deny or claim they don't know what is going on.

Obviously, Israel doesn't ... doesn't attribute the same weight to all the five nations that are involved. There are more important nations and less important nations strategically for Israel. I assume that Israel can have troubles from the Australian Government, if they discover something, or from the British Government, that they would...

There is no doubt in my mind that those two governments would be less soft on Israel than maybe Germany, France. And Ireland is not known as a friend of Israel traditionally, so Israel is not attaching too much weight to the relations with Ireland. But with Australia and the UK, yes, it's serious. It may be serious."

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2010/s2830642.htm

Nodin · 26-02-2010 01:31PM

Min wrote: »

What a waste (.........)they want peace.

The "security wall" managed to effectively annex large parts of the West Bank and Gaza. Had they followed the 1967 borders, less would have been said.

The Israelis are colonising land outside their internationally recognised borders, while enforcing a brutal IDF run regime on the Palestinians in most of the West Bank and Arab East Jerusalem. Thats why theres Palestinian "terrorism".

FlutterinBantam · 26-02-2010 02:41PM

Nodin wrote: »

The "security wall" managed to effectively annex large parts of the West Bank and Gaza. Had they followed the 1967 borders, less would have been said.

The Israelis are colonising land outside their internationally recognised borders, while enforcing a brutal IDF run regime on the Palestinians in most of the West Bank and Arab East Jerusalem. Thats why theres Palestinian "terrorism".

Israelis are protecting their citizens against the numerous would be martyrs who would love to waltz into a crowded place of entertainment and relaxation, blow themselves up and take as many innocent bystanders with them as they can.

That's why there's a security wall.

FlutterinBantam · 26-02-2010 02:45PM

neil_hosey wrote: »

one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. Yous dont realise what is going on in palestine now, you dont have to live there, yet yous insist on commenting on the 'terrorists' in palestine hastling the poor israelis. Jesus wake the fúck up.

From what I can see Martins excursion was a nice piece of PR to deflect attention from 'home affairs'.

Window dressing and useless at the end of the day.

Stop the indiscriminate firing of missiles into Israeli territory and make a real start on peace.

A nation can't stand idly by and watch a rogue force slaughter their citizens in their beds.

Bonito · 26-02-2010 02:47PM

Who paid for this "trip"

Nodin · 26-02-2010 02:49PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

..............
That's why there's a security wall.

A wall thats outside Israels borders and annexes Palestinian land
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8523221.stm

Nodin · 26-02-2010 02:50PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

A nation can't stand idly by and watch a rogue force slaughter their citizens in their beds.

Yet thats what you want the Palestinians to do.

There aren't Palestinian troops guarding Palestinian colonies in Tel Aviv....there are IDF troops guarding Israeli colonists in the occupied territories.

dvpower · 26-02-2010 02:52PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

A nation can't stand idly by and watch a rogue force slaughter their citizens in their beds.

Yes. But the are the Palistinians to do about the rogue state of Israel?

dvpower · 26-02-2010 02:55PM

Bonito wrote: »

Who paid for this "trip"

The Irish state I would expect. Micheal Martin is our Minister for Foreign Affairs. Its part of his job to go on foreign trips sometimes.

FlutterinBantam · 26-02-2010 02:57PM

Nodin wrote: »

Yet thats what you want the Palestinians to do.

There aren't Palestinian troops guarding Palestinian colonies in Tel Aviv....there are IDF troops guarding Israeli colonists in the occupied territories.

Nope, just stop firing missiles and sending suicide bombers into Israel.

Bonito · 26-02-2010 02:57PM

dvpower wrote: »

The Irish state I would expect. Micheal Martin is our Minister for Foreign Affairs. Its part of his job to go on foreign trips sometimes.

What do we have to do with Gaza though

dvpower · 26-02-2010 03:30PM

Bonito wrote: »

What do we have to do with Gaza though

Dept. of Foreign Affairs wrote:

During his one-day visit to Gaza, Minister Martin will visit an UNRWA school and an UNRWA food distribution centre in Rafah as well as visiting an industrial site in Karni and travelling to UNRWA’s operational HQ in Gaza city

The Irish state is a major contributor to UNRWA. It’s fully legitimate for Minister Martin to go and see what Irish taxpayers are contributing to.

UNRWA wrote:

UNRWA is the main provider of basic services – education, health, relief and social services – to 4.7 million registered Palestine refugees in the Middle East

Bonito · 26-02-2010 03:32PM

dvpower wrote: »

The Irish state is a major contributor to UNRWA. It’s fully legitimate for Minister Martin to go and see what Irish taxpayers are contributing to.

Learn something new every day

sbsquarepants · 26-02-2010 05:22PM

Should have visited Gazza instead, would have cost less and achieved more. More meaningless talk. The way those people are treated is disgusting, nothing is done about it cos israel keeps the arabs in check, then we wonder why they hate us!

wes · 26-02-2010 05:30PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Israelis are protecting their citizens against the numerous would be martyrs who would love to waltz into a crowded place of entertainment and relaxation, blow themselves up and take as many innocent bystanders with them as they can.

That's why there's a security wall.

Its interesting how you always ignore the simple fact that the so called security wall would work if built along the 1967 border. Care to answer why the wall needs to steal more land? I have asked this question to you before, and you always ignore it. Care to explain away the land theft then?!?

wes · 26-02-2010 05:31PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Nope, just stop firing missiles and sending suicide bombers into Israel.

Why is Israel still attacking and stealing Palestinian land in the West Bank then? No rockets being fired, and the PA is actively working with Israel to stop terrorists attacking Israel. Care to answer this question as well btw? Its been asked before and never answer by the pro-Israel crowd for some odd reason.

You see intent on ignoring inconvient facts of Israel constant aggression against Palestinians, that have nothing to do with what the Palestinians do. Israel was stealing there land long before suicide attacks and long before the existence of Hamas. So there land theft has feck all to do with those things, its all apart of the Zionist dream of a greater Israel based on a 2000 year old land claim for the secular nutters, and God gave it to us from the Religous nutters.

kraggy · 26-02-2010 05:35PM

Can't believe people are talking about the cost of the trip.

For 2 reasons:

1. Micheal Martin is our Minister for Foreign Affairs. It's part of his job to travel and keep in touch with goings on.

2. It's not as if it was like a St. Patricks Day holiday in a 5 star hotel in New York. Gaza isn't exactly a place you'd go to live it up.

meditraitor · 26-02-2010 06:14PM

kraggy wrote: »

. Gaza isn't exactly a place you'd go to live it up.

Its as close to hell on earth as we have at the moment.....

nacho libre · 26-02-2010 06:31PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Nope, just stop firing missiles and sending suicide bombers into Israel.

and your excuse for the lack of progress in the west bank is....? could it be israel is not an honest broker. as the pa have reined in the miltants in the west bank and yet the peace talk are stalled and israel still takes yet more land. at first it was the pa were unreconstructed terrorists, led by arafat, that israel could not do business with. now as we see there is another excuse.

snow ghost wrote: »

Obviously Israel doesn't have a lot for time for Ireland according to this interview on Australian TV - regarding the passport scandal - yesterday, wasn't this the same journalist on Prime Time saying Israel does care what Ireland thinks?:

"YOSSI MELMAN: Well, at the moment, I think that it's still, as far as Israel is concerned, it's a manageable crisis because the evidence presented by the Dubai police either is not applicable in a court of law, or the diplomatic arena. There are no direct links tying Israel to that, so Israel can still deny or claim they don't know what is going on.

Obviously, Israel doesn't ... doesn't attribute the same weight to all the five nations that are involved. There are more important nations and less important nations strategically for Israel. I assume that Israel can have troubles from the Australian Government, if they discover something, or from the British Government, that they would...

There is no doubt in my mind that those two governments would be less soft on Israel than maybe Germany, France. And Ireland is not known as a friend of Israel traditionally, so Israel is not attaching too much weight to the relations with Ireland. But with Australia and the UK, yes, it's serious. It may be serious."

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2010/s2830642.htm

yes, their mentality is if you can't prove it, we don't care. according to the Daily Telegraph the British government knew about this as far back as the end of january yet only started feigning concern when it entered the public domain.
they also report that MI6 has reassured mossad this will blow over soon enough and it will be business as usual.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 26-02-2010 06:59PM

Nodin wrote: »

Thats why theres Palestinian "terrorism".

And nothing to do with Palestinians just being terrorists?.

Why are they hated in Lebanon?. (There's a hint above)

Why when the PLO went to Tunis were they later expelled (there's a hint above).

Why were they slaughtered by the Jordanians [Black September] (yup, there's a hint above).

The Palestinians fled Israel before its independence with the promise from their Arab neighbours that they were going to slaughter the Israeli's and run them into the sea, as we all know Israel was invaded on the eve of its independence - resulting in a spectacular Israeli victory.

The Palestinians then tried to make a home land in Jordan, attempting to destabilise the Jordanian government through terrorism. If you think Israel are hardliners, the Jordanians make them look like kindergarden cops by comparison. During 'Black Septempter' (September 1970) the Jordanians killed more Palestinians than anyone before or since collectively.

The tried the same stunt in Lebanon, destabilising the Lebanese government and attacking the Galilee. Leading the IDF to launch 'Operation Latani' in 1978.

The Lebanese actually welcomed the IDF into the country, believing they (the IDF) would finally rid the country of the PLO.

This was followed in 1982 by Operation 'Peace for Galilee', again the IDF were welcomed into the country by the Lebanese who were tired to Palestinians terror again. Unfortunetly the IDF done a Brit's on it - outstayed their welcome and set up a security zone in the south (Lebanon).

The Israeli's never wanted to occupy Lebanon, they wanted a buffer zone to stop Palestinian rocket attacks against Galilee.

The Saint · 26-02-2010 07:06PM

Alana Full Wardroom wrote: »

And nothing to do with Palestinians just being terrorists?.

Why are they hated in Lebanon?. (There's a hint above)

Why when the PLO went to Tunis were they later expelled (there's a hint above).

Why were they slaughtered by the Jordanians [Black September] (yup, there's a hint above).

Oooo, you're a naughty fella Mairt.

P.S. Finally got my account back. Woo.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 26-02-2010 07:11PM

The Saint wrote: »

P.S. Finally got my account back. Woo.

Woo Hoo, deadly I can delete you from facebook now :pac:

(I've just logged off, going for a jar so your not deleted).

FlutterinBantam · 26-02-2010 07:21PM

Alana Full Wardroom wrote: »

And nothing to do with Palestinians just being terrorists?.

Why are they hated in Lebanon?. (There's a hint above)

Why when the PLO went to Tunis were they later expelled (there's a hint above).

Why were they slaughtered by the Jordanians [Black September] (yup, there's a hint above).

The Palestinians fled Israel before its independence with the promise from their Arab neighbours that they were going to slaughter the Israeli's and run them into the sea, as we all know Israel was invaded on the eve of its independence - resulting in a spectacular Israeli victory.

The Palestinians then tried to make a home land in Jordan, attempting to destabilise the Jordanian government through terrorism. If you think Israel are hardliners, the Jordanians make them look like kindergarden cops by comparison. During 'Black Septempter' (September 1970) the Jordanians killed more Palestinians than anyone before or since collectively.

The tried the same stunt in Lebanon, destabilising the Lebanese government and attacking the Galilee. Leading the IDF to launch 'Operation Latani' in 1978.

The Lebanese actually welcomed the IDF into the country, believing they (the IDF) would finally rid the country of the PLO.

This was followed in 1982 by Operation 'Peace for Galilee', again the IDF were welcomed into the country by the Lebanese who were tired to Palestinians terror again. Unfortunetly the IDF done a Brit's on it - outstayed their welcome and set up a security zone in the south (Lebanon).

The Israeli's never wanted to occupy Lebanon, they wanted a buffer zone to stop Palestinian rocket attacks against Galilee.

Well said Sir.

Some of these posters would want to remove the anti Israeli/ant US glasses and check reality.

You were there there, you know the story on the ground, and you say it as it is.These self delusional idealists are living in the nether world:cool:

Well done Sir.

Zebra3 · 26-02-2010 07:27PM

Alana Full Wardroom wrote: »

And nothing to do with Palestinians just being terrorists?.

Why are they hated in Lebanon?. (There's a hint above)

Why when the PLO went to Tunis were they later expelled (there's a hint above).

Why were they slaughtered by the Jordanians [Black September] (yup, there's a hint above).

The Palestinians fled Israel before its independence with the promise from their Arab neighbours that they were going to slaughter the Israeli's and run them into the sea, as we all know Israel was invaded on the eve of its independence - resulting in a spectacular Israeli victory.

The Palestinians then tried to make a home land in Jordan, attempting to destabilise the Jordanian government through terrorism. If you think Israel are hardliners, the Jordanians make them look like kindergarden cops by comparison. During 'Black Septempter' (September 1970) the Jordanians killed more Palestinians than anyone before or since collectively.

The tried the same stunt in Lebanon, destabilising the Lebanese government and attacking the Galilee. Leading the IDF to launch 'Operation Latani' in 1978.

The Lebanese actually welcomed the IDF into the country, believing they (the IDF) would finally rid the country of the PLO.

This was followed in 1982 by Operation 'Peace for Galilee', again the IDF were welcomed into the country by the Lebanese who were tired to Palestinians terror again. Unfortunetly the IDF done a Brit's on it - outstayed their welcome and set up a security zone in the south (Lebanon).

The Israeli's never wanted to occupy Lebanon, they wanted a buffer zone to stop Palestinian rocket attacks against Galilee.

You have a lot to learn.

The zionists were happy to take part of Lebanon as their ongoing plan for Eretz Israel HaShlema. However the jews failed despite the terrible atrocities they carried out and those of their terrorist buddies.

And the only reason the Palestinians ended up in the Leb, Jordan and Tunisia is because they were ethnically cleansed out of their homeland.

I recommend you read this book:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ethnic-Cleansing-Palestine-Ilan-Pappe/dp/1851684670

Also do read more from this gentleman:
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fiskrsquos-world-walls-never-work-in-the-middle-east-or-in-ireland-1855417.html

The Saint · 26-02-2010 07:30PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Well said Sir.

Some of these posters would want to remove the anti Israeli/ant US glasses and check reality.

You were there there, you know the story on the ground, and you say it as it is.These self delusional idealists are living in the nether world:cool:

Well done Sir.

So you're agreeing that all Palestinians are terrorists based on a selective interpretation of things that happened around 30 years ago? Nice

FlutterinBantam · 26-02-2010 07:33PM

he heh heh heh hardly an unbiased publication Sir.:D

Gentleman make a living dissing Israel.

me-skywalker · 26-02-2010 07:35PM

What he thinks now because we have some experience in the North we are some way comparable to the situation over in the East?? this is just fancy posturising and aimless meandering around on tax payers money.

As if the Israelis didnt think we hated them enough this wont go anyway to improve relations with them.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 26-02-2010 07:37PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Gentleman make a living dissing Israel.

His wife is from South Lebanon, a village in the former security zone 'Shaqra'.

Its no wonder he's anti everything Israeli, just doing what any good hubby will do for a quiet life.

dvpower · 26-02-2010 07:41PM

Originally Posted by Nodin
Thats why theres Palestinian "terrorism".

Alana Full Wardroom wrote: »

And nothing to do with Palestinians just being terrorists?.

You seem to be suggesting that Palestinians are inherently terrorist?

By the same logic, one might say that Israelis are warmongers by nature.
(I wouldn't say that; it would be wrong and a terribly xenophobic thing to suggest)

arybvtcw0eolkf · 26-02-2010 07:44PM

dvpower wrote: »

You seem to be suggesting that Palestinians are inherently terrorist?

By the same logic, one might say that Israelis are warmongers by nature.
(I wouldn't say that; it would be wrong and a terribly xenophobic thing to suggest)

Well not really, since most of their war's were initiated against them by their enemies, and their army is a defence force (IDF - Israeli Defence Force). Its only there to defend the state against internal and external threats and not to enforce foreign policies.

Micheál Martin first EU Foreign Minister to Visit Gaza in 1 year

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