Could you live in the Wild without Fire or Sharp Tools?

OutlawPete · 24-02-2010 09:56PM #1

SCENARIO THREAD

Seen Into The Wild again last night and got me thinking about what I would and wouldn't be willing to do, in order to survive.

So I want to put the following question to you all.

If you were stranded on a desert island with a few others and for whatever reason, despite your best efforts, you could not make fire.

What would you and wouldn't you, be willing to eat in order to survive??

Everything that is in the wild, is available to you.

Animals, Fish, Fruits, Vegetables etc are all aplenty.

Rules:

You cannot MAKE or CREATE fire .. (so no Bear Grylls shenanigans).
You do not HAVE anything Sharp and cannot MAKE anything Sharp.
You cannot eat the others (not the Lost 'Others', the other passengers

).

Basically, you are back to nature.

So, could you live in the wild, based on these rules and if so, what would you exist on?

Could you kill animals and if so, which ones?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCtflupT_U4

El Weirdo · 24-02-2010 09:58PM

OutlawPete wrote: »

If you were in a plane crash and were stranded on a dessert island with a few others and for whatever reason, despite your best efforts, you could not make fire.

Mmmmmmmm cheesecake.

OutlawPete · 24-02-2010 10:00PM

El Weirdo wrote: »

Mmmmmmmm cheesecake.

Dessert trolly removed ..

BluesBerry · 24-02-2010 10:00PM

I would have Ray Meyers with me so Im sorted :pac:

ibarelycare · 24-02-2010 10:00PM

You're kinda making this easy. Veg & fruit aplenty = loadsa nutrition!

Fago! · 24-02-2010 10:00PM

I wonder how long it'll take for this to get moved to The Cuckoo's Nest?

GLaDOS · 24-02-2010 10:01PM

OutlawPete wrote: »

You cannot MAKE or CREATE fire .. (so no Bear Grylls shenanigans).
You cannot HEAT or WARM anything in any way whatsoever.
You cannot eat the others (not the Lost 'Others', the other passengers ).
You do not HAVE anything Sharp and cannot MAKE anything Sharp.

That's just silly, primates have evolved the use of tools so not making fire or anything sharp is silly.

Even wild animals huddle together to keep each other warm, so that doesn't make sense.

Why can't we eat each other? We're out in the big bad wild, we can do whatever we want.

Long story short, no, I couldn't, I'd kill myself without internet.

s-cogan · 24-02-2010 10:01PM

look up "dick proenneke" on youtube. he willingly lived in the wild for like 30 years in alaska, starting when he was 51. brilliant viewing. only prob is the show is an hour long, and is in 6 ten minute sections

cynder · 24-02-2010 10:01PM

fruit and leaves...... would never kill an animal i would rather die first.....

But after your rules i would go and find the plane wreck and see if i could find something of use and maybe use as a shelter. ahhhh you say it sank, fine then surely things would wash a shore, no you say tide has turned and its too far to swim out....... we s**t im dead because i got the runs from eating to much fruit and got dehydrated........

Dunjohn · 24-02-2010 10:02PM

If literally everything is available, I'd just line up all the turtles in the world and walk back to civilisation.

thetonynator · 24-02-2010 10:03PM

In the case of not being allowed something sharp, could you not sharpen a stone or stick off a stone??? Because with a sharp stick you could (technically

) catch fish, and sushi is quite nice!!!

BluesBerry · 24-02-2010 10:03PM

Remember Gerry Ryan send a few people to an Island a few years ago?

anyways Id eat the birds im assuming they would taste like chicken

OutlawPete · 24-02-2010 10:04PM

grindelwald wrote: »

fruit and leaves...... would never kill an animal i would rather die first......

That's what I'm getting at.

As I watched it I thought about if I could kill an animal or not.

Are humans by nature killers?

Is eating raw animal flesh an instinct or a learned behavior?

OutlawPete · 24-02-2010 10:07PM

ScienceNerd wrote: »

That's just silly, primates have evolved the use of tools so not making fire or anything sharp is silly.

I have my reasons.

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Even wild animals huddle together to keep each other warm, so that doesn't make sense.

I am talking about food.

biko · 24-02-2010 10:09PM

I could live on fruits and berries.

cynder · 24-02-2010 10:09PM

Is eating raw animal flesh an instinct or a learned behavior?[/QUOTE]

Dont you get sick from eating raw meat - salmonella, Shigella, Campylobacter, Campylobacter and E.Coli????

OutlawPete · 24-02-2010 10:10PM

thetonynator wrote: »

In the case of not being allowed something sharp, could you not sharpen a stone or stick off a stone??? Because with a sharp stick you could (technically ) catch fish, and sushi is quite nice!!!

The reason I made the rules is I want to see what people would think they would do without the aid of 'unnatural' tools.

In my opinion nature is not complicated and tools should not be needed, nor fire either, in order to survive.

we'llallhavetea_old · 24-02-2010 10:13PM

live on fruit n stuff.

probably go insane and befriend a football too.

wouldn't be able to kill an animal without something sharp, and wouldn't eat it raw anyway.

OutlawPete · 24-02-2010 10:13PM

Magnus wrote: »

I could live on fruits and berries.

This guy is an athlete and does quite well on Fruits and a little greens alone:

http://www.youtube.com/user/runningraw

Sea Sharp · 24-02-2010 10:30PM

You could kill animals for their fur to make clothes.
no fire? Leave it out.

My name is URL · 24-02-2010 10:37PM

Even Chimps get to use spears.. why is that rule there? =p

I think I could live in the wild if left to my own devices, but I'd need fire and tools so probably wouldn't survive in your idea of nature

OutlawPete · 24-02-2010 10:39PM

GaNjaHaN wrote: »

No fire? Leave it out.

We are not born with the ability to make fire, it's something we discovered.

My question is can you live as nature intended.

If nature intended for us to have fire, it would be far easier for us to create it.

Same will tools.

Would nature have not given us teeth sharp enough to rip whatever animals nature interned us to eat?

Alessandra · 24-02-2010 10:40PM

I've watched Bear Gryllis, I am sure I'd be fine with a trusty pocket knife!

ibarelycare · 24-02-2010 10:42PM

OutlawPete wrote: »

We are not born with the ability to make fire, it's something we discovered.

My question is can you live as nature intended.

If nature intended for us to have fire, it would be far easier for us to create it.

Same will tools.

Would nature have not given us teeth sharp enough to rip whatever animals nature interned us to eat?

Fire IS natural though! Man discovered that he could kill to survive, just like he discovered fire. It's all about survival of the fittest; if you put a group of ignorant humans on a desert island now, they'd eventually discover the same things as ancient man discovered.

OutlawPete · 24-02-2010 10:43PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Even Chimps get to use spears.. why is that rule there? =p

I think I could live in the wild if left to my own devices, but I'd need fire and tools so probably wouldn't survive in your idea of nature

Yes, I have seen the footage on Discovery of them using twigs to scrape insects from the hollow of a tree.

TPD · 24-02-2010 10:45PM

OutlawPete wrote: »

We are not born with the ability to make fire, it's something we discovered.

My question is can you live as nature intended.

If nature intended for us to have fire, it would be far easier for us to create it.

Same will tools.

Would nature have not given us teeth sharp enough to rip whatever animals nature interned us to eat?

Nature gave us brains instead, everything we do could be considered perfectly natural.

Ruu_Old · 24-02-2010 10:45PM

BluesBerry wrote: »

I would have Ray Meyers with me so Im sorted :pac:

Don't be a fool, he'd eat you and everything around you when your back is turned!

24-02-2010 10:46PM

Into the wild:

Good movie
Great soundtrack.

I could do it, I love taking a pee in the open.

Big Nasty · 24-02-2010 10:49PM

We would start off with nothing and as time goes by learn how to make a fire, the wheel, the internal combustion engine etc. Only natural to progress!

Personally I would be happy with food, woman, beer and V8's!

I especially like the thought of a hot feral looking woman in 'Captain Caveman' garb, but not the mule who accosted me with a plastic batton on my 21st!

My name is URL · 24-02-2010 10:50PM

ibarelycare wrote: »

Fire IS natural though! Man discovered that he could kill to survive, just like he discovered fire. It's all about survival of the fittest; if you put a group of ignorant humans on a desert island now, they'd eventually discover the same things as ancient man discovered.

This.

Many people see the term 'fittest' in the wrong way though, all it means is the most well adapted to the environment they're in. The use of fire & tools is down to the evolution of thinking, and the understanding of how best to survive in our environment

thetonynator · 24-02-2010 10:51PM

ibarelycare wrote: »

Fire IS natural though! Man discovered that he could kill to survive, just like he discovered fire. It's all about survival of the fittest; if you put a group of ignorant humans on a desert island now, they'd eventually discover the same things as ancient man discovered.

man discovered electricity and the internet and ipods . . .can we have those too???

and the george foreman . . .and the microwave, and the freezer and fridge . . .:D:D

Could you live in the Wild without Fire or Sharp Tools?

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