Could you live in the Wild without Fire or Sharp Tools?

OutlawPete

SCENARIO THREAD

Seen Into The Wild again last night and got me thinking about what I would and wouldn't be willing to do, in order to survive.

So I want to put the following question to you all.

If you were stranded on a desert island with a few others and for whatever reason, despite your best efforts, you could not make fire.

What would you and wouldn't you, be willing to eat in order to survive??

Everything that is in the wild, is available to you.

Animals, Fish, Fruits, Vegetables etc are all aplenty.


Rules:

You cannot MAKE or CREATE fire .. (so no Bear Grylls shenanigans).
You do not HAVE anything Sharp and cannot MAKE anything Sharp.
You cannot eat the others (not the Lost 'Others', the other passengers ).


Basically, you are back to nature.

So, could you live in the wild, based on these rules and if so, what would you exist on?

Could you kill animals and if so, which ones?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCtflupT_U4

El Weirdo

OutlawPete wrote: »

If you were in a plane crash and were stranded on a dessert island with a few others and for whatever reason, despite your best efforts, you could not make fire.

Mmmmmmmm cheesecake.

OutlawPete

El Weirdo wrote: »

Mmmmmmmm cheesecake.

Dessert trolly removed ..

BluesBerry

I would have Ray Meyers with me so Im sorted :pac:

ibarelycare

You're kinda making this easy. Veg & fruit aplenty = loadsa nutrition!

Fago!

I wonder how long it'll take for this to get moved to The Cuckoo's Nest?

GLaDOS

OutlawPete wrote: »

You cannot MAKE or CREATE fire .. (so no Bear Grylls shenanigans).
You cannot HEAT or WARM anything in any way whatsoever.
You cannot eat the others (not the Lost 'Others', the other passengers ).
You do not HAVE anything Sharp and cannot MAKE anything Sharp.

That's just silly, primates have evolved the use of tools so not making fire or anything sharp is silly.

Even wild animals huddle together to keep each other warm, so that doesn't make sense.

Why can't we eat each other? We're out in the big bad wild, we can do whatever we want.


Long story short, no, I couldn't, I'd kill myself without internet.

s-cogan

look up "dick proenneke" on youtube. he willingly lived in the wild for like 30 years in alaska, starting when he was 51. brilliant viewing. only prob is the show is an hour long, and is in 6 ten minute sections

cynder

fruit and leaves...... would never kill an animal i would rather die first.....


But after your rules i would go and find the plane wreck and see if i could find something of use and maybe use as a shelter. ahhhh you say it sank, fine then surely things would wash a shore, no you say tide has turned and its too far to swim out....... we s**t im dead because i got the runs from eating to much fruit and got dehydrated........

Dunjohn

If literally everything is available, I'd just line up all the turtles in the world and walk back to civilisation.

thetonynator

In the case of not being allowed something sharp, could you not sharpen a stone or stick off a stone??? Because with a sharp stick you could (technically ) catch fish, and sushi is quite nice!!!

BluesBerry

Remember Gerry Ryan send a few people to an Island a few years ago?

anyways Id eat the birds im assuming they would taste like chicken

OutlawPete

grindelwald wrote: »

fruit and leaves...... would never kill an animal i would rather die first......

That's what I'm getting at.

As I watched it I thought about if I could kill an animal or not.

Are humans by nature killers?

Is eating raw animal flesh an instinct or a learned behavior?

OutlawPete

ScienceNerd wrote: »

That's just silly, primates have evolved the use of tools so not making fire or anything sharp is silly.

I have my reasons.

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Even wild animals huddle together to keep each other warm, so that doesn't make sense.

I am talking about food.

biko

I could live on fruits and berries.

cynder

Is eating raw animal flesh an instinct or a learned behavior?[/QUOTE]


Dont you get sick from eating raw meat - salmonella, Shigella, Campylobacter, Campylobacter and E.Coli????

OutlawPete

thetonynator wrote: »

In the case of not being allowed something sharp, could you not sharpen a stone or stick off a stone??? Because with a sharp stick you could (technically ) catch fish, and sushi is quite nice!!!

The reason I made the rules is I want to see what people would think they would do without the aid of 'unnatural' tools.

In my opinion nature is not complicated and tools should not be needed, nor fire either, in order to survive.

we'llallhavetea_old

live on fruit n stuff.

probably go insane and befriend a football too.

wouldn't be able to kill an animal without something sharp, and wouldn't eat it raw anyway.

OutlawPete

Magnus wrote: »

I could live on fruits and berries.

This guy is an athlete and does quite well on Fruits and a little greens alone:

http://www.youtube.com/user/runningraw

Sea Sharp

You could kill animals for their fur to make clothes.
no fire? Leave it out.

My name is URL

Even Chimps get to use spears.. why is that rule there? =p

I think I could live in the wild if left to my own devices, but I'd need fire and tools so probably wouldn't survive in your idea of nature

OutlawPete

GaNjaHaN wrote: »

No fire? Leave it out.

We are not born with the ability to make fire, it's something we discovered.

My question is can you live as nature intended.

If nature intended for us to have fire, it would be far easier for us to create it.

Same will tools.

Would nature have not given us teeth sharp enough to rip whatever animals nature interned us to eat?

Alessandra

I've watched Bear Gryllis, I am sure I'd be fine with a trusty pocket knife!

ibarelycare

OutlawPete wrote: »

We are not born with the ability to make fire, it's something we discovered.

My question is can you live as nature intended.

If nature intended for us to have fire, it would be far easier for us to create it.

Same will tools.

Would nature have not given us teeth sharp enough to rip whatever animals nature interned us to eat?

Fire IS natural though! Man discovered that he could kill to survive, just like he discovered fire. It's all about survival of the fittest; if you put a group of ignorant humans on a desert island now, they'd eventually discover the same things as ancient man discovered.

OutlawPete

My name is URL wrote: »

Even Chimps get to use spears.. why is that rule there? =p

I think I could live in the wild if left to my own devices, but I'd need fire and tools so probably wouldn't survive in your idea of nature

Yes, I have seen the footage on Discovery of them using twigs to scrape insects from the hollow of a tree.

TPD

OutlawPete wrote: »

We are not born with the ability to make fire, it's something we discovered.

My question is can you live as nature intended.

If nature intended for us to have fire, it would be far easier for us to create it.

Same will tools.

Would nature have not given us teeth sharp enough to rip whatever animals nature interned us to eat?

Nature gave us brains instead, everything we do could be considered perfectly natural.

Ruu_Old

BluesBerry wrote: »

I would have Ray Meyers with me so Im sorted :pac:

Don't be a fool, he'd eat you and everything around you when your back is turned!

Into the wild:

Good movie
Great soundtrack.

I could do it, I love taking a pee in the open.

Big Nasty

We would start off with nothing and as time goes by learn how to make a fire, the wheel, the internal combustion engine etc. Only natural to progress!

Personally I would be happy with food, woman, beer and V8's!

I especially like the thought of a hot feral looking woman in 'Captain Caveman' garb, but not the mule who accosted me with a plastic batton on my 21st!

My name is URL

ibarelycare wrote: »

Fire IS natural though! Man discovered that he could kill to survive, just like he discovered fire. It's all about survival of the fittest; if you put a group of ignorant humans on a desert island now, they'd eventually discover the same things as ancient man discovered.

This.

Many people see the term 'fittest' in the wrong way though, all it means is the most well adapted to the environment they're in. The use of fire & tools is down to the evolution of thinking, and the understanding of how best to survive in our environment

thetonynator

ibarelycare wrote: »

Fire IS natural though! Man discovered that he could kill to survive, just like he discovered fire. It's all about survival of the fittest; if you put a group of ignorant humans on a desert island now, they'd eventually discover the same things as ancient man discovered.

man discovered electricity and the internet and ipods . . .can we have those too???

and the george foreman . . .and the microwave, and the freezer and fridge . . .:D:D

OutlawPete

The Perfect Drug wrote: »

Nature gave us brains instead, everything we do could be considered perfectly natural.

Just because humans do things, does not make it natural.

I don't believe that nature would have us do anything that is not instinctive.

Thomas828

Oh no, forget it! I've lived all my life in the city, first Belfast and now London. I would never for a minute consider giving up all the mod-cons and creature comforts that come with city life. I wouldn't kid myself. I wouldn't last more than a day in the wilderness.

Bonito

Yes I could!




/wipes ass with poison ivy.

OutlawPete

ibarelycare wrote: »

Fire IS natural though!

It's 'natural' in the context that am referring to.

I mean 'natural' as in 'instinctive' for us as humans.

In your definition of 'natural', Cars are natural as we create them from nature.

ibarelycare wrote: »

Man discovered that he could kill to survive, .

Yes, but there are Vegan tribes who live on Raw food and don't kill animals and they still survive to this day.

Vegan Tribe

TPD

OutlawPete wrote: »

Just because humans do things, does not make it natural.

I don't believe that nature would have us do anything that is not instinctive.

For something to be really unnatural, at some point in the events leading up to it happening, something outside nature must have had an influence.

OutlawPete

Bonito wrote: »

/wipes ass with poison ivy.

It was the mushrooms killed the fool in Into The Wild ..

ibarelycare

OutlawPete wrote: »

Just because humans do things, does not make it natural.

I don't believe that nature would have us do anything that is not instinctive.

Yeah but instinct is the need to survive. And the need to survive is natural. The world that we live in today has been built from a natural progression. Leave humans on a desert island to survive with nothing but their instincts and in a few thousand years they'll have exactly the same as we have now.

My name is URL

OutlawPete wrote: »

Just because humans do things, does not make it natural.

I don't believe that nature would have us do anything that is not instinctive.

Nature does things out of necessity.. making things easier is necessary in our case, simply to survive

TPD

OutlawPete wrote: »

It was the mushrooms killed the fool in Into The Wild ..

I thought it was that he ate some plant he shouldnt have? At the end he's in a panic looking through his book and reading the descriptions of the spines on teh backs of the leaves or something, and realises he ate the poisionous ones.

nibtrix

OutlawPete wrote: »

I don't believe that nature would have us do anything that is not instinctive.

I think you're right about this, I also think that we have no idea what is instinctive for us any more!

I remember reading a story not that long ago (can't find a link) about a guy who was adrift at sea for a long time. He was able to fish but obviously had no way to cook them, for weeks on end he just ate the raw flesh. After a while his body needed the nutrients that he couldn't get from the flesh only and he started craving the eyes, brains etc (which contained the nutrients).

So something that we would all (most of us anyway) consider disgusting became the instinctive thing for this man to do.



I think if marooned on a desert island the instinctive thing for us all is to survive, and that would include using all of our knowledge to create tools, fire and anything else that would help us survive

BluesBerry

Actually Ive been thinking and living on a deserted island would be great in a swiss family robinson kinda way

the first thing ill make is a coconut phone

nibtrix

ibarelycare wrote: »

Leave humans on a desert island to survive with nothing but their instincts and in a few million years they'll have exactly the same as we have now.

If it takes a few million years then they must be some of the stupider humans...

OutlawPete

The Perfect Drug wrote: »

I thought it was that he ate some plant he shouldnt have? At the end he's in a panic looking through his book and reading the descriptions of the spines on teh backs of the leaves or something, and realises he ate the poisionous ones.

From an interview with Sean Penn I gathered it was a mushroom as they said some were growing near the bus.

In the film it focuses on that book - either way a lot of controversy follows the whole thing.

Some say that making a movie about someone that did such a foolish thing is wrong as it make spark caopycats and in essence we are celebrating stupidity on some level.

BrianD3

No fire, no tools, nothing pointy? Probably no hunting or trapping skills. Little or no knowledge about plants apart from obvious stuff like eating berries (at certain times of the year) I think very few people would survive long term, they'd slowly waste away. There are feck all calories in berries, mushrooms and insects. Are you going to risk eating carrion without having any means to cook it.

And without fire, many people would probably die from hypothermia well before they starved to death.

ibarelycare

nibtrix wrote: »

If it takes a few million years then they must be some of the stupider humans...

I meant a few thousand

OutlawPete

nibtrix wrote: »

I think you're right about this, I also think that we have no idea what is instinctive for us any more!

I remember reading a story not that long ago (can't find a link) about a guy who was adrift at sea for a long time. He was able to fish but obviously had no way to cook them, for weeks on end he just ate the raw flesh. After a while his body needed the nutrients that he couldn't get from the flesh only and he started craving the eyes, brains etc (which contained the nutrients).

So something that we would all (most of us anyway) consider disgusting became the instinctive thing for this man to do.

Exactly, which is the point of the thread, I did have one

nibtrix wrote: »

I think if marooned on a desert island the instinctive thing for us all is to survive, and that would include using all of our knowledge to create tools, fire and anything else that would help us survive

Quite correct and it is that element of knowledge that I am attempting to remove by asking what would you eat if all you have are your bare hands and teeth.

For a start, the two biggest food addictions we have in this world would be gone.

Bread and Sugar.

Can't eat raw bread as without Fire, bread is inedible.

antodeco

Are there any female passengers? They could survive on my fap juice. It's full of nutrients, or so I tell my missus

OutlawPete

Off out folks, Bobos for a Burger .. :pac:

Thought I'd leave you all to your RAW food.

Here's Bear Grylls eating a raw fish, good luck with the parasites folks ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRTIkj5HF90

ibarelycare

antodeco wrote: »

Are there any female passengers? They could survive on my fap juice. It's full of nutrients, or so I tell my missus

What will the male passengers survive on?

InKonspikuou2

I lived for a month in a Kogui community in the jungles of Colombia. No electricity, no running water and man made huts and hammocks as beds. Collected water from the mountain streams and boiled it, collected wood, ate fish, hunted animals and picked veg and fruit. My friend was half Kogui so we got accepted to stay in with them. Unbelievable experience.