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Anyone but England' T-shirt

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  • #62
    [Deleted User]
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    Dudess wrote: »
    Well it does make a person a hypocrite if their reasons for wanting England not to win is because of an historical hatred of the English.

    Ah, but I've yet to see anyone say that as an explicit reason for wanting to see them fall flat on their face. A lot of people assume this is the reason and it might even be inferred from the usual "har har England got beaten by Montenegro derpy derp" but nobody has actually said so on this thread.


    *submits post and checks thread to make sure noboday has said it*


  • #63
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    Dudess wrote: »
    I find English commentators to be either objective, self-deprecating, or in the event of them letting their guard slip, vaguely hinting they'd like England to win (rare - and not necessarily inappropriate) whereas I find Irish commentators much more likely to be biased, with the "our lads in green" stuff.

    Bear in mind that we live in a country that made a programme celebrating the twentieth anniversary of the occasion on which we actually beat England in a game of football.

    Not winning a tournament like they did in 1966 or anything. Just beating them in a game.


  • #64
    Dudess
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    Töpher wrote: »
    Don't be ridiculious! DB10 supporting Arsenal as an Irishman (or teenager unable to grow enough facial hair, as the case may be...) is in no way similar to enjoying/funding something that hails from her majestys shores, so therefore he can despise England and all that it gives birth to as much as he wants with one glaring multi-million pound money making exception
    Teh heh heh... :pac:


  • #65
    major bill
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,421 ✭✭✭major bill


    stovelid wrote: »
    Bear in mind that we live in a country that made a programme celebrating the twentieth anniversary of the occasion on which we actually beat England in a game of football.

    Not winning a tournament like they did in 1966 or anything. Just beating them in a game.

    if your talking about the stuggart game well in fairness anybody back in the day that was supporting ireland has said that was the game that changed irish football so i fail to see why they wouldnt want to make a programm ro celebrate the change of fortune in the irish game.!!!


  • #66
    Töpher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,483 ✭✭✭Töpher


    major bill wrote: »
    if your talking about the stuggart game well in fairness anybody back in the day that was supporting ireland has said that was the game that changed irish football so i fail to see why they wouldnt want to make a programm ro celebrate the change of fortune in the irish game.!!!

    Yeah, because that clearly had more of an impact than England actually winning the bleedin' World Cup! :rolleyes:


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  • #67
    OutlawPete
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    stovelid wrote: »
    Bear in mind that we live in a country that made a programme celebrating the twentieth anniversary of the occasion on which we actually beat England in a game of football.

    It was a pivotal moment in Irish soccer history.

    Why not make a programme about it?


  • #68
    oppenheimer1
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    OutlawPete wrote: »
    Bunch of thanks for this post, please.

    Your remark was in reply to a comment about Sky Sports.

    Eh, I pay for my Sky Sports, thanks very much.

    My point still stands whether it be the BBC, Sky Sports, ITV, The Sun whatever media you choose.

    Sure you pay for Sky Sports (foolishly if you don't like the service they provide) but they also broadcast to a largely English audience, so if course they are not going to take a neutral stance for england games or related activities. It wouldn't make commercial sense. They would lose viewers if they took the opposite stance to be fair! The majority of their subscribers are based in England so its also natural for them to devote more time to them. They are also the football team among their subscriber base that is most likely to win the WC

    Sky do the same when they cover Ireland games too... they generally talk up the Irish team and pander to us too, and if they can't say anything good they will say very little. (wait for the brazil game in a few weeks!). They won't knock a team where their subscribers are based!


  • #69
    aliroly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18 ✭aliroly


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    The BBC and other English media isn't meant for Irish consumption. In fairness how can any Irish person complain about football coverage by the english, for the British! They are just pandering to their audience, which you would expect, which also happens in Ireland.

    Fixed it for you ;)


  • #70
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    I'm going to wear my "Fuck The World Cup" t-shirt during the World Cup, and give my "Bono Is A Twat" t-shirt a well deserved rest.


  • #71
    stovelid
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    major bill wrote: »
    if your talking about the stuggart game well in fairness anybody back in the day that was supporting ireland has said that was the game that changed irish football so i fail to see why they wouldnt want to make a programm ro celebrate the change of fortune in the irish game.!!!

    I know and more power to them.

    It hardly, however, does much good to the argument that the British never stop waffling about 1966 when we are frankly minnow enough to still be dancing in the aisles about beating them in a single game twenty-two years ago.

    That's the thing about us though: obsessed with Brit-griping on one hand; the toe-curling mortification of grown Irish men calling themselves Scousers and Mancs on the other.

    And as for impartial football commentators: I hope you never visit South America or indeed a lot of mainland Europe.


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  • #72
    oppenheimer1
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    stovelid wrote: »
    Bear in mind that we live in a country that made a programme celebrating the twentieth anniversary of the occasion on which we actually beat England in a game of football.

    Not winning a tournament like they did in 1966 or anything. Just beating them in a game.

    Joxer goes to Stuttgart, the song set to the BBCs match of the day tune that celebrates a goal a scotsman scored against the english... for "Ireland"


  • #73
    OutlawPete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    Sure you pay for Sky Sports (foolishly if you don't like the service they provide)

    No problem with them myself, just pointing out that if someone pays for Sky then they have a right to criticize it if they so wish.


  • #74
    Töpher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,483 ✭✭✭Töpher


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    Eh, I pay for my Sky Sports, thanks very much.

    You're part of the problem, man! :D


  • #75
    OutlawPete
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    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    Joxer goes to Stuttgart, the song set to the BBCs match of the day tune that celebrates a goal a scotsman scored against the english... for "Ireland"

    He's father is Irish and under FIFA rules, that apply to ALL countries taking part, he chose to represent Ireland.

    Where's the issue?


  • #76
    major bill
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    Töpher wrote: »
    Yeah, because that clearly had more of an impact than England actually winning the bleedin' World Cup! :rolleyes:

    get over yourself:rolleyes: The irish national team back then wasnt supported as much we had struggled in international football it played 2nd best to the gaa and beating england in that game basically changed the way people thought about this ''foreign game''!!!.
    we dont/never will have a history like england do in football so a small country like us beating a major footballing power in a major international tournament was a great achievement especially since it was irelands debut in such a tournament so the sort of impact it had was huge.


  • #77
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    Bunch of thanks for this post, please.

    Your remark was in reply to a comment about Sky Sports.

    Eh, I pay for my Sky Sports, thanks very much.

    Oh, the irony of paying for an English service and then companing about it being English!!
    OutlawPete wrote: »
    It was a pivotal moment in Irish soccer history.

    Why not make a programme about it?

    Fair point, but it is a little hypocritical to then turn around and accuse England of celebrating 1966.

    The strongest I've ever heard on Sky Sports is "England are in with a good chance" and "this could be the year". Which, in fairness, is true. I think they are in with a great chance (although they need a goalkeeper - this could by their achilles heel) and I think they've finally got a manager in Fabio Capello who can get the best out of the team and still has the espect of the self-hating tabloids.

    Sorry. Talking about football. Please don't ban me!

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #78
    stovelid
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    major bill wrote: »
    get over yourself:rolleyes: The irish national team back then wasnt supported as much as we're a nation of flag-waving couch-bound event junkies

    Fixed that for you. :pac:


  • #79
    Töpher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,483 ✭✭✭Töpher


    major bill wrote: »
    get over yourself:rolleyes: The irish national team back then wasnt supported as much we had struggled in international football it played 2nd best to the gaa and beating england in that game basically changed the way people thought about this ''foreign game''!!!.
    we dont/never will have a history like england do in football so a small country like us beating a major footballing power in a major international tournament was a great achievement especially since it was irelands debut in such a tournament so the sort of impact it had was huge.
    I didn't say it wasn't important, I just said (and stand by) that in the scheme of things its not as big a deal as winning the World Cup.

    It's insane for people to bitch about England going on about winning it, while we as a nation go on in much the same manner about winning one match.


  • #80
    stovelid
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    To be honest anyway, I've sensed a bit of a sea-change toward England in recent times. I think more people don't mind them doing OK.


  • #81
    OutlawPete
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    Ikky Poo2 wrote: »
    Oh, the irony of paying for an English service and then companing about it being English!!

    What are you waffling about, I didn't complain about any English service?
    Ikky Poo2 wrote: »
    but it is a little hypocritical to then turn around and accuse England of celebrating 1966.

    When did I do that? :confused:


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  • #82
    major bill
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    stovelid wrote: »
    Fixed that for you. :pac:

    fully agree too;)


  • #83
    TheZohanS
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    Soccer forum.


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