Explosion outside Newry Courthouse

ejmaztec · 23-02-2010 11:21PM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

That poll is from 2007, Tom. A lot has changed, people are seeing the GFA for what it is. A farce.

Are they the few people who didn't get a cut of the action?

IrishManSaipan · 23-02-2010 11:24PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

Are they the few people who didn't get a cut of the action?

No. They are the people joining anti GFA groups and parties.

m@cc@ · 23-02-2010 11:26PM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

It wont change the root cause of the problem, British rule in Ireland.

BS. I'm a Catholic from Norn Iron and I'm as free as the day is long. Whatever flag is planted on the top of Stormont isn't going to change that. It wasn't always that way, I recognise that, but it is now. 95% of people on both sides don't have the stomach for any more of this crap. British rule should end whenever we've shown we're capable of ruling ourselves.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 23-02-2010 11:27PM

brummytom wrote: »

It really is sickening this shit is still going on, I check the BBC Northern Ireland section fairly regularly, as they report stories from the RoI there aswell - there's been quite a few incidents recently, but this is the most serious so far (touch wood)

I think the PSNI member who recently lost his leg and just about survived in a carbomb would disagree with that statement.

Britain is not an enemy anymore, we're not oppressors.

People trying to drag Northern Ireland back to into 'Troubles' don't deserve oxygen tbh.

That's not their point though. They see Northern Ireland as occupation of their country.

amacachi · 23-02-2010 11:27PM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

Ah, the mythical Loyalist hordes. They would do phuc all, just like they did when they sold their fellow loyalists in the 26 out post partition.

So you really think they'd take it lying down? Whereabouts are you from if you don't mind my asking?
Anyway, it doesn't take hordes to destroy a country.

Oh and yeah, loyalty within Republican ranks has to have been one of the strongest points of the movement. :pac:

My name is URL · 23-02-2010 11:31PM

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

I think the PSNI member who recently lost his leg and just about survived in a carbomb would disagree with that statement.

They say the bomb could have weighed 800 lb. That's pretty serious. Imagine that on a crowded street.. Omagh was hit with a 500 lb bomb

brummytom · 23-02-2010 11:34PM

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

I think the PSNI member who recently lost his leg and just about survived in a carbomb would disagree with that statement.

My apologies; that, I'm ashamed to say, slipped my mind. This last night still had the potential, though, to have killed dozens of people.

Only last week was another carbomb (well, it was a mortar bomb in a van I think) abandoned in Armagh. Watching footage of people driving and walking past it with no knowledge of what lay just a few feet from them was very eery. Anyway, this nonsense is pointless.

IrishManSaipan · 23-02-2010 11:35PM

m@cc@ wrote: »

BS. I'm a Catholic from Norn Iron and I'm as free as the day is long.

What does your religion have to do with it?

m@cc@ wrote: »

Whatever flag is planted on the top of Stormont isn't going to change that.

Bollocks. The route to a United Ireland does not go through Stormont.

m@cc@ wrote: »

British rule should end whenever we've shown we're capable of ruling ourselves.

We gave irish territory away to the British for good by dropping atricles 2 & 3. The games up, there is no way we can end the crime of partition by democratic means.

m@cc@ · 23-02-2010 11:37PM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

What does your religion have to do with it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

Bollocks. The route to a United Ireland does not go through Stormont.

Yeah, I think we're done here. Sorry to have engaged in a debate with you.

IrishManSaipan · 23-02-2010 11:38PM

amacachi wrote: »

So you really think they'd take it lying down? Whereabouts are you from if you don't mind my asking?
Anyway, it doesn't take hordes to destroy a country.

They wont have their handlers this time around. Without collusion, the loyalists were nothing more than sectarian murderers. As a military unit, they are ineffective.

I am from Ireland.

amacachi wrote: »

Oh and yeah, loyalty within Republican ranks has to have been one of the strongest points of the movement. :pac:

Strong enough to last an entire conflict.

brummytom · 23-02-2010 11:39PM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

Bollocks. The route to a United Ireland does not go through Stormont.

Care to expand on that? What is, in your opinion, the route?

IrishManSaipan · 23-02-2010 11:43PM

m@cc@ wrote: »

........

Ever hear of the "Prod Squad"?

amacachi · 23-02-2010 11:44PM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

We gave irish territory away to the British for good by dropping atricles 2 & 3. The games up, there is no way we can end the crime of partition by democratic means.

LOL. Yes because the brits would've said "Hmm, the Irish have something in their constitution about wanting Northern Ireland, let's give it to them. Oh no wait, they got rid of that, who are we going to get to take NI off our hands now?"

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

They wont have their handlers this time around. Without collusion, the loyalists were nothing more than sectarian murderers. As a military unit, they are ineffective.

I am from Ireland.

Strong enough to last an entire conflict.

Military unit, lol.

Ah, it's a secret so.

Yup, no grasses, certainly not near the top.

kev9100 · 23-02-2010 11:52PM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

We gave irish territory away to the British for good by dropping atricles 2 & 3. The games up, there is no way we can end the crime of partition by democratic means.

For the love of God, do you really want drag Ireland back to the Troubles? Do you really want to start all that pointless killing and violence again when there is finally peace in this country? Grow up.

m@cc@ · 23-02-2010 11:57PM

The sad fact is that these attacks are just masochistic and an utter embarrassment. There was a time when this was a noble cause fought by noble men, not any more.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 23-02-2010 11:58PM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

They wont have their handlers this time around. Without collusion, the loyalists were nothing more than sectarian murderers. As a military unit, they are ineffective.

I am from Ireland.

Strong enough to last an entire conflict.

Sectarian murder can't be quite so easily ignored. 80-90% of loyalist murders were civilians.

Sure there was collusion, but I think its exaggerated when you consider loyalists only took out a tiny amount of militant republicans. UDA only killed 11 for example. I do believe the Dublin/Monaghan bombings were the result of collusion however

They wouldn't choose security forces as main targets. They'd go straight for civillians - the precedent has been established for decades.

Not that I'm saying they're a definitive reason Ireland shouldn't be re-unified, just that its naive to write them off as a minor issue.

discus · 23-02-2010 11:58PM

Bottle of Smoke wrote:

I think the PSNI member who recently lost his leg and just about survived in a carbomb would disagree with that statement.

And there was another officer whose partner had a bomb planted in her car. The detonator went off but the bomb didn't - thank **** - and she 'only' recieved bad injuries to her legs.

Not to mention another officer whose mother in law and wife had devices left outside their houses.

And all this is by catholic freedom fighters, who are targetting catholic men who join the Police Service, and their relatives? Sickening. Good on those who do join to take that job and risk. I couldn't do it.

IrishManSaipan · 24-02-2010 12:02AM

discus wrote: »

And all this is by catholic freedom fighters, who are targetting catholic men who join the Police Service, and their relatives?

Catholic Freedom Fighters? What are you on about, republicans are anti sectarianism.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 24-02-2010 12:03AM

My name is URL wrote: »

They say the bomb could have weighed 800 lb. That's pretty serious. Imagine that on a crowded street.. Omagh was hit with a 500 lb bomb

That was the initial report. It has since been established it was much smaller. Think around 200lb. Doesn't really matter though, I was responding to it being referred to as the most serious recent incident. Its end result wasn't and brummytom has since advised the attack on Heffron slipped his mind.

IrishManSaipan · 24-02-2010 12:06AM

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

They wouldn't choose security forces as main targets. They'd go straight for civillians - the precedent has been established for decades.

As I said,

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

the loyalists were nothing more than sectarian murderers. As a military unit, they are ineffective.

A United Ireland is the doomsday scenario for all loyalists. Its up to both Republicans and the Irish government to ease their fears.

discus · 24-02-2010 12:10AM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

Catholic Freedom Fighters? What are you on about, republicans are anti sectarianism.

Ah hahaha, hahaha, ha.

If their logic involves bombing civilians, bringing drugs into the country, people trafficing, running brothels and protection rackets - then I don't think that being 'anti sectarian' is too high on their list.

Mike 1972 · 24-02-2010 12:11AM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

What are you on about, republicans are anti sectarianism.

(Cough Cough) :rolleyes:

IrishManSaipan · 24-02-2010 12:15AM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

(Cough Cough) :rolleyes:

Cough cough, yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reavey_and_O%27Dowd_killings

It was a one off atrocious attack. Although, in the long run, it saved lives as the loyalists slowed down their sectarian murder campaign.

But you are right, it was a sick sectarian attack.

IrishManSaipan · 24-02-2010 12:15AM

discus wrote: »

bringing drugs into the country, people trafficing, running brothels and protection rackets

Link please.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 24-02-2010 12:16AM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

As I said,

the loyalists were nothing more than sectarian murderers. As a military unit, they are ineffective.

A United Ireland is the doomsday scenario for all loyalists. Its up to both Republicans and the Irish government to ease their fears.

I agree with that mate, I'm just saying it can't simply be written off lightly, they killed over a thousand people in the troubles, 80-90% of them civillians.

If the Real/Cont IRA targeted civillians they'd be far more "successful" in their hits. They'd be killing people every day because civillians don't have the same protection the security forces have. I don't think ulster loyalists would have the same policy in a united Ireland so there really is possibility for mass bloodshed

IrishManSaipan · 24-02-2010 12:18AM

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

If the Real/Cont IRA targeted civillians they'd be far more "successful" in their hits. They'd be killing people every day because civillians don't have the same protection the security forces have.

Thankfully they have never went down that route. Hopefully they never will.

Ann22 · 24-02-2010 12:26AM

My oh and me were off work yesterday, took a spin to Newry. We enjoyed a wee browse and had lovely grub in Friary Tucks... I'd a lovely day. Was shocked to hear there was a bomb later on.

The thoughts of it all starting up again is so gloomy. How can anyone protect despicable individuals who carry out sh*t like this.. especially since Omagh. I wouldn't even insult the animal world to call them animals.:mad:

LordSutch · 24-02-2010 05:27PM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

As long there is an occupation, there will be a resistance. Same the world over, Iraq, Afghanistan, or Palestine. Nothing baffling about that what so ever.

Remember this quote?

"Ireland unfree shall never be at peace".

P.Pearse.

With reference to the above mention of 'Occupation' :rolleyes: Tell me, How do you 'un-occupy' or eject one million Brits from the North? > I dunno, you tell me!

Mike 1972 · 24-02-2010 06:42PM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

Cough cough, yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reavey_and_O%27Dowd_killings

Relevence ?

Son Of A Vidic · 24-02-2010 09:37PM

The continuity IRA formed out of the split with Sinn Fein in 1986, it's now 2010, so it's been 24 years. How or why do they exist? How many British soldiers/UDR/RIR men have they killed since their existence.....none you'll find.
What guardians of 'physical force' republicanism they are. The IRA campaign was fought against a lack of an alternate to the armed struggle. When the political path opened up and became an option, the IRA true to their word pursued it and here we are today. So why do these groups exist? nobody wants them. The bad old days will never return, there will always be a few bigots on both sides. But they remain just that - a few.

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