Tesco fire "King"

Nodin · 19-02-2010 02:53PM

Robbo wrote: »

Only on AH could a story about a man exercising his employment rights turn into a pogrom...

Unfortunately no, as it turned up on another Irish board and a few of the usual suspects did much the same.

IrishManSaipan · 19-02-2010 06:38PM

Nodin wrote: »

Unfortunately no, as it turned up on another Irish board and a few of the usual suspects did much the same.

Maybe, just maybe, people are extremely p*ssed off at the widescale abuse of the asylum process........

ScumLord · 19-02-2010 06:40PM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

Maybe, just maybe, people are extremely p*ssed off at the widescale abuse of the asylum process........

I don't see how our asylum process was abused by the man, if anyone got abused it was Tesco, and **** Tescos I couldn't be happier he took money off them.

dvpower · 19-02-2010 06:49PM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

Maybe, just maybe, people are extremely p*ssed off at the widescale abuse of the asylum process........

.... that they need to find the nearest scapegoat to attack.

IrishManSaipan · 19-02-2010 07:25PM

dvpower wrote: »

.... that they need to find the nearest scapegoat to attack.

Scapegoat me eye. The only thing being attacked is our asylum process and our social welfare offices.

IrishManSaipan · 19-02-2010 07:27PM

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't see how our asylum process was abused by the man.

Are you blind?

Arrive in Ireland.
Claim asylum.
Claim Nigeria is dangerous.
Get asylum/ Leave to remain underthe IBC scam.
Go home to the country he claims to have fled and become King.

If he can holiday there, he can live there. Deport.

dvpower · 19-02-2010 07:33PM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

Are you blind?

Arrive in Ireland.
Claim asylum.
Claim Nigeria is dangerous.
Get asylum/ Leave to remain underthe IBC scam.
Go home to the country he claims to have fled and become King.

If he can holiday there, he can live there. Deport.

I can only conclude that you are trolling.
You keep repeating this accusation without any evidence whatsoever to back it up. Its you that is wearing blinkers.

Moomoo1 · 19-02-2010 07:34PM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

Are you blind?

Arrive in Ireland.
Claim asylum.
Claim Nigeria is dangerous.
Get asylum/ Leave to remain underthe IBC scam.
Go home to the country he claims to have fled and become King.

If he can holiday there, he can live there. Deport.

how do you know he claimed asylum?

IrishManSaipan · 19-02-2010 07:47PM

Moomoo1 wrote: »

how do you know he claimed asylum?

Based on the stats.

-Vast majority of Nigerians were, at one stage, asylum seekers.
-Work permits not issued to shelf stackers.
-He is now a taxi driver, so he wasnt here on a language visa either as non EU students are not allowed become self employed.

How else could he have got in?

Moomoo1 · 19-02-2010 08:09PM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

Based on the stats.

-Vast majority of Nigerians were, at one stage, asylum seekers.
-Work permits not issued to shelf stackers.
-He is now a taxi driver, so he wasnt here on a language visa either as non EU students are not allowed become self employed.

great logic: just because most Nigerians used to be asylum seekers, he must be one as well?

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

How else could he have got in?

marriage visa?
dual citizenship of another EU country?
had a job here, got leave to remain, then got fired?

there are lots of ways. Anyway, I don't want to argue in ifs and buts: unless you know he claimed asylum you shouldn't allege that he did.

dvpower · 19-02-2010 08:09PM

The question was:
how do you know he claimed asylum?

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

-Vast majority of Nigerians were, at one stage, asylum seekers.

But there is no suggestion whatsoever that Mr Agbaje was.

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

-Work permits not issued to shelf stackers.

Did you just make up the shelf stacker job?

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

-He is now a taxi driver, so he wasnt here on a language visa either as non EU students are not allowed become self employed.

Who said he is a self employed taxi driver? Another assumption?

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

How else could he have got in?

He might be married to an EU national. One of his parents might be Irish. He might hold dual citizenship....

donkey balls · 19-02-2010 08:14PM

dvpower wrote: »

The question was:
how do you know he claimed asylum?

But there is no suggestion whatsoever that Mr Agbaje was.

Did you just make up the shelf stacker job?
Who said he is a self employed taxi driver? Another assumption?

He might be married to an EU national. One of his parents might be Irish. He might hold dual citizenship....

i never heard of a taxi driver that works for a company as an employee and i know a fair few of them that are self employed

K-9 · 19-02-2010 08:59PM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

Based on the stats.

-Vast majority of Nigerians were, at one stage, asylum seekers.
-Work permits not issued to shelf stackers.
-He is now a taxi driver, so he wasnt here on a language visa either as non EU students are not allowed become self employed.

How else could he have got in?

It doesn't say that he was an asylum seeker, a shelf stacker nor a student.

Racists would assume he was an asylum seeker and a shelf stacker. I don't assume you are racist. You see the distinction?

jesus_thats_gre · 19-02-2010 10:12PM

Wow, such a fuss being made out of this just because he is Nigerian.

He obviously didn't get paid for the 6 weeks. I would imagine that it is unlikely that he got paid for 4 weeks.

Then there is the fact that Tesco are a right shower and the fact that a court ruled in his favour.

Finally, I am sure the €31 after expenses comments means he basically takes home 31 euro a week after he factors in the expenses of running the taxi as opposed to how much he after he pays for rent and food.

Kivaro · 20-02-2010 01:45AM

He got 10 grand and said that it was not enough. This is after, what, at least 8 weeks holidays in one year. He's taking the piss.

Of course if you dare question it, you hear the usual 'racist' innuendos from the usual suspects on boards, but this time round, it is a 'pogrom'.

K-9 · 20-02-2010 02:00AM

Kivaro wrote: »

He got 10 grand and said that it was not enough. This is after, what, at least 8 weeks holidays in one year. He's taking the piss.

Of course if you dare question it, you hear the usual 'racist' innuendos from the usual suspects on boards, but this time round, it is a 'pogrom'.

And of course, some will use any opportunity to bring irrelevant crap like nationality and Pamela whatever her name is into a thread.

IMO, the award is OTT, but that's the tribunal for you. Wouldn't be the first time.

IrishManSaipan · 20-02-2010 02:23AM

K-9 wrote: »

And of course, some will use any opportunity to bring irrelevant crap like nationality and Pamela whatever her name is into a thread.

Its not just Pammy though, its 99.9% of them. Opposing asylum scammers is not racist, its common sense. Give me 10,000 Palestinians over one middle class Nigerian asylum seeker/economic migrant any day.

K-9 · 20-02-2010 02:48AM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

Its not just Pammy though, its 99.9% of them. Opposing asylum scammers is not racist, its common sense. Give me 10,000 Palestinians over one middle class Nigerian asylum seeker/economic migrant any day.

I don't see why it had to be dragged into this thread though!

Many Irish empathise with Palestinians for various reasons al right and have sympathy for their plight. Personally, I think if the same number of Palestinians were here, generalisations would be made by the usual suspects.

Kivaro · 20-02-2010 03:21AM

K-9 wrote: »

Personally, I think if the same number of Palestinians were here, generalisations would be made by the usual suspects.

I do not agree K-9.
If there were ten times the amount of deserving people here e.g. Kenyans, Ethiopians, or Zimbabweans versus the current number of Nigerian economic migrants, there would be much more faith in the asylum process and hence less generalisations.

K-9 · 20-02-2010 03:24AM

Kivaro wrote: »

I do not agree K-9.
If there were ten times the amount of deserving people here e.g. Kenyans, Ethiopians, or Zimbabweans versus the current number of Nigerian economic migrants, there would be much more faith in the asylum process and hence less generalisations.

Ah, but you'd still get the, they "get free cars and houses and 6 free buggies" etc. stuff.

IrishManSaipan · 20-02-2010 03:32AM

K-9 wrote: »

I don't see why it had to be dragged into this thread though!

Many Irish empathise with Palestinians for various reasons al right and have sympathy for their plight. Personally, I think if the same number of Palestinians were here, generalisations would be made by the usual suspects.

I dont think so. The Palestinian people are going through hardships you and I could not imagine. There are many genuine asylum seekers, unfortunately that does not include 99.9% of Nigerians. They are economic migrants and fook up the process for the genuine.

Id happily see all asylum scammers deported and replaced by twice as many Haitians, Sudanese and Palestinians.

Kivaro · 20-02-2010 03:38AM

K-9 wrote: »

Ah, but you'd still get the, they "get free cars and houses and 6 free buggies" etc. stuff.

You're right. You'll get the lower-IQ people on the street staying that stuff, but the mainstream would be far more sympathetic than they currently are (as the asylum process would seem to be working correctly).

K-9 · 20-02-2010 03:39AM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

I dont think so. The Palestinian people are going through hardships you and I could not imagine. There are many genuine asylum seekers, unfortunately that does not include 99.9% of Nigerians. They are economic migrants and fook up the process for the genuine.

Id happily see all asylum scammers deported and replaced by twice as many Haitians, Sudanese and Palestinians.

Would they be dem Muslims now?

Dem Suicide Bombers?

IrishManSaipan · 20-02-2010 03:44AM

K-9 wrote: »

Would they be dem Muslims now?

Dem Suicide Bombers?

You are obsessed with racism, arent ya? An eastern european acquaintance of mine claimed that us Irish are as brainwashed with political correctness as eastern europe was with communism.

K-9 · 20-02-2010 03:52AM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

You are obsessed with racism, arent ya? An eastern european acquaintance of mine claimed that us Irish are as brainwashed with political correctness as eastern europe was with communism.

Sorry, you didn't get my posts.

It was meant tongue in cheek, but with most jokes, it's an over exaggeration of the reality.

No need to be so touchy. You'll be all precious about "racism being dragged into the thread" next and how you can't "tell it like it is" anymore.

IrishManSaipan · 20-02-2010 04:02AM

K-9 wrote: »

No need to be so touchy. You'll be all precious about "racism being dragged into the thread" next and how you can't "tell it like it is" anymore.

There will always be somebody to waddle in and claim that any dissent on the issue is racist. Remember Paddy was once an immigrant too, so we are hypocrites and the whole world can come here if they so wish.:rolleyes:

K-9 · 20-02-2010 04:24AM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

There will always be somebody to waddle in and claim that any dissent on the issue is racist. Remember Paddy was once an immigrant too, so we are hypocrites and the whole world can come here if they so wish.:rolleyes:

Yep and there'll be the "them Nigerians at it again" posters and round and round we go. I think you are being naive if you think Palestinians would be treated that much differently.

You should look back for the thread about the guy from the Lebanon and polygamy, common in Palestine too.

Would we want "that type of thing" here?

Kivaro · 20-02-2010 03:17PM

K-9 wrote: »

Yep and there'll be the "them Nigerians at it again" posters and round and round we go. I think you are being naive if you think Palestinians would be treated that much differently.

And I think that you are too cynical to believe that it would not be the case.
You have to first realize the root cause behind the distrust of the majority of Irish people when it comes to the asylum process and Nigerians.

dvpower · 20-02-2010 04:55PM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

You are obsessed with racism, arent ya?.

To be fair, there hasn't been much racism in this thread; just xenophobia.

Kivaro · 20-02-2010 09:28PM

You would have to wonder how many of those who are throwing around the racist/xenophobic/pogrom accusations pay into the system that supports these economic migrants. I imagine that this small minority actually do not have the privilege of seeing the deductions in their wages, which is used to pay for the welfare/legals costs of these claimants.

Tesco fire "King"

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