Tesco fire "King"

Nodin · 18-02-2010 03:57PM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

-Only (.......) Deport.

More rabble, rabble, rabble. Facts please, not generalisations and speculation.

dvpower · 18-02-2010 03:58PM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

-Only 500 work permits issued to Nigerians since their introduction.

Who said he is here on a work permit? For all I (and you) know, he could be an EU citizen of Nigerian parentage, or on a student visa, or a refugee, or the child of an asylum seeker / refugee. Who knows? I don't.

Do you have information that you're keeping from us?

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

If he can holiday in Nigeria, he can live in Nigeria. Deport

Even if he was an asylum seeker given Leave to Remain, it doesn't follow that his visit to Nigeria was breaking any rules. It may be that the circumstances that led to an asylum claim have now changed. (Now I'm at it - heaping speculation upon speculation:()

K-9 · 18-02-2010 04:21PM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

No, he definitely wasnt a refugee, I guarantee you he was an asylum seeker though.

Nigerians, of the non asylum seeking variety, need a work permit to commence employment in Ireland. Unless you are a full time student, work permits for non EU citizens are not approved for future shelp stackers.

If they were, half the third world would be heading our way.

I asked, maybe he wasn't packing shelves?

And you come back with this?

How do you know he was just stacking shelves or similar?

K-9 · 18-02-2010 04:22PM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

Based on the stats.

-Vast majority of Nigerians were, at one stage, asylum seekers.
-Work permits not issued to shelf stackers.
-He is now a taxi driver, so he wasnt here on a language visa either as non EU students are not allowed become self employed.

Id say its safe to say this man was an asylum seeker at one stage.

He lost his job in 08, maybe taxi driving was the only thing he could get?

IrishManSaipan · 19-02-2010 04:14AM

K-9 wrote: »

He lost his job in 08, maybe taxi driving was the only thing he could get?

Probably headhunted by a local taxi firm too.:rolleyes:

IrishManSaipan · 19-02-2010 04:20AM

dvpower wrote: »

For all I (and you) know, he could be an EU citizen of Nigerian parentage

Then he would be an EU citizen.

dvpower wrote: »

or on a student visa,

Those on student visas cannot become self employed, ie drive taxis.

dvpower wrote: »

or a refugee,

Then why is he jetting off to the place he fled?

dvpower wrote: »

or the child of an asylum seeker / refugee.

Hes in his 30s according to the article. No asylum seekers from Nigeria arrived here in the 1970s.

dvpower wrote: »

Even if he was an asylum seeker given Leave to Remain, it doesn't follow that his visit to Nigeria was breaking any rules. It may be that the circumstances that led to an asylum claim have now changed.

No, it just further proves the point that 99.9% of Nigerian asylum seekers are in fact, economic migrants.

"At every level, the Federal Ministry of Health and the Ministry of Women Affairs will all support Mrs. Izevbekhai. There is no way we want any of our citizens to suffer this kind of distress," he told Marian Finucane on RTE radio.
He said a lot of people wanted to come to Ireland to improve themselves but of those who requested to stay here outside of legal means and declared for asylum, 99.9% of applications were turned down because they weren't genuine cases.

http://www.sligochampion.ie/news/youve-nothing-to-fear-in-going-back-nigeria-tells-pamela-1557041.html

m@cc@ · 19-02-2010 04:31AM

The award was not for the dismissal but how it was carried out.

K-9 · 19-02-2010 04:35AM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

Then he would be an EU citizen.

Those on student visas cannot become self employed, ie drive taxis.

Then why is he jetting off to the place he fled?

Hes in his 30s according to the article. No asylum seekers from Nigeria arrived here in the 1970s.

No, it just further proves the point that 99.9% of Nigerian asylum seekers are in fact, economic migrants.

"At every level, the Federal Ministry of Health and the Ministry of Women Affairs will all support Mrs. Izevbekhai. There is no way we want any of our citizens to suffer this kind of distress," he told Marian Finucane on RTE radio.
He said a lot of people wanted to come to Ireland to improve themselves but of those who requested to stay here outside of legal means and declared for asylum, 99.9% of applications were turned down because they weren't genuine cases.

http://www.sligochampion.ie/news/youve-nothing-to-fear-in-going-back-nigeria-tells-pamela-1557041.html

Yep. Mrs. Izeybekhai was always going to be used to tar all Nigerians with the one brush. That was the fear of many on threads about her. Forever more, whenever a Nigerian was mentioned, her case would be brought into it.

Thanks IrishManSaipan for proving all those fears correct.

IrishManSaipan · 19-02-2010 04:48AM

K-9 wrote: »

Yep. Mrs. Izeybekhai was always going to be used to tar all Nigerians with the one brush. That was the fear of many on threads about her. Forever more, whenever a Nigerian was mentioned, her case would be brought into it.

Thanks IrishManSaipan for proving all those fears correct.

I know feck all about Pammie.

My fears are justified. From a Nigerian asylum seeker himself......

A Nigerian solicitor, now admitted to the Roll of Solicitors in Ireland, and working in a practice in Tallaght, stated in an interview in the Law Society Gazette of April 2006 that he claimed asylum seeker status to gain entry to Ireland, not because he was on the run from anybody, but simply because here there is a "better life".

He continued: "It's just a platform to enter the country".

http://www.lawsociety.ie/Documents/Gazette/Gazette%202006/april06.pdf

Page 27.

The man admits to being a bogus asylum seeker, yet the author of the piece claims he is "extremely honest". Only in Ireland.

Heres another one for you to ponder on over your morning latte.

Just 0.01% of Nigerians granted asylum in the past two years.

The Nigerian embassy in Dublin said the figures were unsurprising, as the vast majority of asylum seekers from their country were in fact "economic migrants".

A spokesman said: "This low success rate is to be expected precisely because our country is not on any UN danger list. It is not a conflict zone; there are no disturbances within the country. We are running a democratic country".

http://www.tribune.ie/news/article/2008/aug/10/exposed-the-myth-of-irelands-liberal-asylum-policy/

IrishManSaipan · 19-02-2010 04:50AM

m@cc@ wrote: »

The award was not for the dismissal but how it was carried out.

Yes, the law must be upheld. He got his few quid, now the MoJ must rescind his leave to remain/refugee status and deport him.

If he can holiday in Nigeria, he can live in Nigeria.

Millicent · 19-02-2010 05:00AM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

Yes, the law must be upheld. He got his few quid, now the MoJ must rescind his leave to remain/refugee status and deport him.

If he can holiday in Nigeria, he can live in Nigeria.

Seriously, is there never a point where you just think "God, I hope I don't come off as a zealot?"

You've said that only 600 visas have been given to Nigerians since the scheme was started. Now my maths skills aren't great but when I go onto the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment's website, to, I dunno, back up my wacky claims with fact, I discover that since 2004, 630 work permits were given to Nigerians. The records go back further but hey, it's past my bedtime and I shouldn't have to do anyone else's research.

I could go further and check the number of student visas, asylum claims or naturalised citizens but I can't be arsed. Just thought you might like to know that your argument was flawed before you made an idiot of yourself.

K-9 · 19-02-2010 05:04AM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

I know feck all about Pammie.

My fears are justified. From a Nigerian asylum seeker himself......

A Nigerian solicitor, now admitted to the Roll of Solicitors in Ireland, and working in a practice in Tallaght, stated in an interview in the Law Society Gazette of April 2006 that he claimed asylum seeker status to gain entry to Ireland, not because he was on the run from anybody, but simply because here there is a "better life".

He continued: "It's just a platform to enter the country".

http://www.lawsociety.ie/Documents/Gazette/Gazette%202006/april06.pdf

Page 27.

The man admits to being a bogus asylum seeker, yet the author of the piece claims he is "extremely honest". Only in Ireland.

Heres another one for you to ponder on over your morning latte.

Just 0.01% of Nigerians granted asylum in the past two years.

The Nigerian embassy in Dublin said the figures were unsurprising, as the vast majority of asylum seekers from their country were in fact "economic migrants".

A spokesman said: "This low success rate is to be expected precisely because our country is not on any UN danger list. It is not a conflict zone; there are no disturbances within the country. We are running a democratic country".

http://www.tribune.ie/news/article/2008/aug/10/exposed-the-myth-of-irelands-liberal-asylum-policy/

What do you expect the Nigerian embassy and Govt. to say?

IrishManSaipan · 19-02-2010 05:13AM

Millicent wrote: »

Seriously, is there never a point where you just think "God, I hope I don't come off as a zealot?"

You've said that only 600 visas have been given to Nigerians since the scheme was started. Now my maths skills aren't great but when I go onto the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment's website, to, I dunno, back up my wacky claims with fact, I discover that since 2004, 630 work permits were given to Nigerians. The records go back further but hey, it's past my bedtime and I shouldn't have to do anyone else's research.

I could go further and check the number of student visas, asylum claims or naturalised citizens but I can't be arsed. Just thought you might like to know that your argument was flawed before you made an idiot of yourself.

Hmmm, 33 were issued in 2004.......

Where the hell do you get 630 from? Scroll down, click on work permits by nationality(2004), look at the "issued figure" and viola you will get the figure of 33.

Go back to maths class.

IrishManSaipan · 19-02-2010 05:14AM

K-9 wrote: »

What do you expect the Nigerian embassy and Govt. to say?

What do you expect previous asylum seekers say? They back up yer mans point. You ignored that though.;)

Millicent · 19-02-2010 05:17AM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

Hmmm, 33 were issued in 2004.......

Where the hell do you get 630 from? Scroll down, click on work permits by nationality(2004), look at the "issued figure" and viola you will get the figure of 33.

Go back to maths class.

33 new permits were issued in 2004. With renewals included, 60 total were issued with 6 refused. If you add total issues for every year from 2004 til now, it's 630.

And my name is not Viola. Go back to French class.

IrishManSaipan · 19-02-2010 05:20AM

Millicent wrote: »

You've said that only 600 visas have been given to Nigerians since the scheme was started. Now my maths skills aren't great but when I go onto the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment's website, to, I dunno, back up my wacky claims with fact, I discover that since 2004, 630 work permits were given to Nigerians. The records go back further but hey, it's past my bedtime and I shouldn't have to do anyone else's research.

2004-33
2005-45
2006-43
2007-87
2008-92
2009-26
2010-1

My calculator says 396 , not 630. What does yours say?:rolleyes:

IrishManSaipan · 19-02-2010 05:23AM

Millicent wrote: »

33 new permits were issued in 2004. With renewals included, 60 total were issued with 6 refused. If you add total issues for every year from 2004 til now, it's 630.

And my name is not Viola. Go back to French class.

If you count renewals, you are doubling your figures. If one Nigerian gets a work permit in 2010, and renews it in 2011, using your logic that means two Nigerians obtained work permits throughout 2010-2011, when in actual fact, only one did.

Millicent · 19-02-2010 05:26AM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

2004-33
2005-45
2006-43
2007-87
2008-92
2009-26
2010-1

My calculator says 396 , not 630. What does yours say?:rolleyes:

Can you read the word "total" in my post? That includes renewal and new applications. You have also failed to address that there are Nigerian people here on student visas, those who are naturalised and those who are seeking asylum. So fine, take it as 396 work permits- I'll concede there but you're ignoring all the other legal routes of entry non EU people have.

I just don't understand why you have taken a thread about an illegal dismissal by a company who knows better (and make no mistake, if the king was an Irish one, they would have been just as guilty for failing to offer representation during a disciplinary) and turned it into an asylum seeker rant.

IrishManSaipan · 19-02-2010 05:35AM

Millicent wrote: »

Can you read the word "total" in my post? That includes renewal and new applications. You have also failed to address that there are Nigerian people here on student visas, those who are naturalised and those who are seeking asylum. So fine, take it as 396 work permits- I'll concede there but you're ignoring all the other legal routes of entry non EU people have.

My figures were about work permits issued. I have to renew my TV licence each year(thanks RTE). That does not mean I have mulitple TVs. It means I renewed my licence. If I purchase a TV and renew my permit for each decade, it does not mean I have ten TVs. It means I am legally allowed watch my TV.

My figure of 500 was more or less on the ball and I already dissected your other points so your "but you're ignoring all the other legal routes of entry non EU people have", is null and void.

If he was a son of an EU national he would be a european citizen.
If he was on a student visa he could not become self employed, ie drive a taxi.
If he was an asylum seeker, why holiday in a place he claims to have fled.
Work permits are not issued to Tesco employees/Taxi drivers.

How else could he have got in? I thinks it is a pertinent question.

IrishManSaipan · 19-02-2010 05:36AM

Millicent wrote: »

I just don't understand why you have taken a thread about an illegal dismissal by a company who knows better (and make no mistake, if the king was an Irish one, they would have been just as guilty for failing to offer representation during a disciplinary) and turned it into an asylum seeker rant.

I dunno about that. It aint a rant, Milli. Far from it in fact.

IrishManSaipan · 19-02-2010 05:43AM

Millicent wrote: »

Can you read the word "total" in my post? That includes renewal and new applications.

Nice backtracking, Millie

Millicent wrote: »

I discover that since 2004, 630 work permits were given to Nigerians.

Which of course, is lies. A renewal does not equate with work permits given.

How does this effect you exactly?

brendansmith · 19-02-2010 06:52AM

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Must be the reason why I'm king of my castle
Must be the reason why I'm freeing my trapped soul
Must be the reason why I'm king of my castle
Must be a reason why I'm making examples of you

repeat as necessary.......

Yeah, thats not funny.

Nodin · 19-02-2010 07:40AM

Millicent wrote: »

I just don't understand why you have taken a thread about an illegal dismissal by a company who knows better (and make no mistake, if the king was an Irish one, they would have been just as guilty for failing to offer representation during a disciplinary) and turned it into an asylum seeker rant.

Because it involved a Nigerian, and theres nothing gets some folk riled as one of them. Not Irish Banks, Political corruption or mass murder, even.

Nodin · 19-02-2010 07:41AM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

Then he (......)

Still no specifics on the gentleman in question? Yet still ranting on and on.

ilovelamp2000 · 19-02-2010 08:53AM

dvpower wrote: »

Who said he is here on a work permit? For all I (and you) know, he could be an EU citizen of Nigerian parentage, or on a student visa, or a refugee, or the child of an asylum seeker / refugee. Who knows? I don't.

Do you have information that you're keeping from us?

Even if he was an asylum seeker given Leave to Remain, it doesn't follow that his visit to Nigeria was breaking any rules. It may be that the circumstances that led to an asylum claim have now changed. (Now I'm at it - heaping speculation upon speculation:()

And asylum is not a permanent thing. It's supposed to be protection for only as long as it's needed.

If it's safe for an asylum seeker to be sent home they are supposed to be, but we don't bother with that part of the process.

Anyway on a strict reading of the rules no Nigerian should have ever been able to claim asylum, we were just very soft when making asylum decisions back in the early part of the 2000's because we needed workers. Simple as that. Around 2006 the powers that be realised that we didn't need the same amount of people so the decision making tightened up considerably and those RAT members who had been soft in decision making found they weren't getting (m)any asylum appeals to decide.

dvpower · 19-02-2010 12:50PM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

"At every level, the Federal Ministry of Health and the Ministry of Women Affairs will all support Mrs. Izevbekhai. There is no way we want any of our citizens to suffer this kind of distress," he told Marian Finucane on RTE radio.
He said a lot of people wanted to come to Ireland to improve themselves but of those who requested to stay here outside of legal means and declared for asylum, 99.9% of applications were turned down because they weren't genuine cases.

http://www.sligochampion.ie/news/youve-nothing-to-fear-in-going-back-nigeria-tells-pamela-1557041.html

Why are you posting stuff about Pamela Izevbekhai? What's her case got to do with this Irish employment law case?
(is it that they are both darkies?)

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

Yes, the law must be upheld. He got his few quid, now the MoJ must rescind his leave to remain/refugee status and deport him.

If he can holiday in Nigeria, he can live in Nigeria.

Again, what refugee status? Why are you making this stuff up?

dvpower · 19-02-2010 01:27PM

Rosco1982 wrote: »

And asylum is not a permanent thing. It's supposed to be protection for only as long as it's needed.

Correct. Its a process that can read to permanent refugee status.

But, as I've been saying, there is no evidence that the person in question is an asylum seeker or a refugee. This story is about a Nigerian 'King' who won an employment law case. It seems that some people see 'Nigerian' but read 'asylum seeker'. I'm just surprised than no one has yet claimed that he is a 419 scammer.

Robbo · 19-02-2010 01:45PM

Only on AH could a story about a man exercising his employment rights turn into a pogrom...

Cookie_Monster · 19-02-2010 01:48PM

Robbo wrote: »

Only on AH could a story about a man exercising his employment rights turn into a pogrom...

exploiting his employment rights

Moomoo1 · 19-02-2010 01:51PM

Impostor! I would hold no King, but the once and future king!

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01396/King-Arthur-Pendra_1396076c.jpg

Tesco fire "King"

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