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Tesco fire "King"

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  • #62
    28064212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,137 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    Kivaro wrote: »
    There is relevance but you obviously cannot see it.
    What's the relevance? If the story was about a "Kerry king-in-waiting", who went back to Kerry and took 6 weeks off instead of 4, the point of the story would be identical. I'm not saying that I think this was a just and right decision, I'm saying that his nationality had nothing to do with it
    Kivaro wrote: »
    I did not realize that Nigeria was part of the EU and their citizens could immigrate here legally. My mistake.
    If a person wanted to move and work in Ireland from the US, a visa is required.
    Whether they want to move from the US or Nigeria, the requirements are the same. You were wondering how he could get immigrant status from "a country like Nigeria". What does the EU have to do with it? If someone moves to Ireland from outside the EU, do you think the only way is through seeking asylum?
    Kivaro wrote: »
    It's all this terminology that is confusing. If a person is an asylum seeker and gains refugee status, are they not then an immigrant and entitled to work? Or removing the work 'immigrant', isn't a refugee allowed to work?

    I'm trying to figure out how it was clear he was an immigrant from an earlier post.
    They are not allowed work while seeking asylum. If they're granted asylum, they are allowed work. Or if they've moved here and been granted a work permit, they're allowed work

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  • #63
    Sgt Hartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,944 ✭✭✭Sgt Hartman


    5 pages in and no sign of Nodin? It's a miracle:D

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  • #64
    IrishManSaipan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭IrishManSaipan


    28064212 wrote: »
    Whether they want to move from the US or Nigeria, the requirements are the same. You were wondering how he could get immigrant status from "a country like Nigeria". What does the EU have to do with it? If someone moves to Ireland from outside the EU, do you think the only way is through seeking asylum?

    Only 500 Nigerians have been issued with work permits since the system came into place. The vast majority of Nigerians came into the state as asylum seekers. Chances are his royal highness was an asylum seeker.

    Why is he going on his holidays to a country he claims to have fled? If he can holiday there, he can live there.

    Deport.


  • #65
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Sgt Hartman wrote: »
    5 pages in and no sign of Nodin? It's a miracle:D

    I'm watching......:cool:


  • #66
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    IrishManSaipan wrote: »
    Only 500 Nigerians have been issued with work permits since the system came into place. The vast majority of Nigerians came into the state as asylum seekers. Chances are his royal highness was an asylum seeker.

    Why is he going on his holidays to a country he claims to have fled? If he can holiday there, he can live there.

    Deport.


    Ye see ye go from "chances are" to "Why is he going on his holidays to a country he claims to have fled? ".

    Bad. Very bad.


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  • #67
    Barname
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Barname


    As a citizen of this country I want to know upon what basis this man established residency.

    It is quite clear he is not here on a skilled workers visa.

    Anyone know more about him?


  • #68
    IrishManSaipan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭IrishManSaipan


    Nodin wrote: »
    Ye see ye go from "chances are" to "Why is he going on his holidays to a country he claims to have fled? ".

    Bad. Very bad.

    Tesco headhunted this chap, did they?:rolleyes:


  • #69
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    IrishManSaipan wrote: »
    Tesco headhunted this chap, did they?:rolleyes:

    No idea what he did in Tesco. No idea how he came to Ireland. No idea if he was an Asylum seeker, following from which logically I've no idea whether his was a valid case or not. Neither do you, from the looks of things.

    I do know that Tesco fucked up by not following procedure and lost the case accordingly. I do know that had they followed procedure they could have slung him out on his ear and not paid him a bean.


  • #70
    General Zod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭General Zod


    Unless someone can produce proof he's an "asylum seeker" your assumptions are just making an ass out of "u" and "umptions".


  • #71
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,284 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I do not know his status, but IF it's found that he is or was an asylum seeker, then why is he holidaying in the country he is supposed to be fleeing?

    If he is not an asylum seeker, which I would find quite surprising, then he can freely work
    and holiday and perform all his regal duties whilst getting serious overtime thrown in (10k):)

    Hey, you don't know if Tesco did or didn't follow procedure, maybe it was the courts that
    screwed up here and shafted Tesco. In Ireland, an employee can get away with
    a hell of a lot before an employer can sac him/her.

    From my reading of it, albeit little, it appears that tis guy was taking the absolute piss


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  • #72
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    walshb wrote: »
    I do not know his status, but IF it's found that he is or was an asylum seeker, then why is he holidaying in the country he is supposed to be fleeing?

    If he is not an asylum seeker, which I would find quite surprising, then he can freely work
    and holiday and perform all his regal duties whilst getting serious overtime thrown in (10k):)

    The universal translator says ''Screw the facts - I want my rabble rabble rabble'
    walshb wrote: »
    Hey, you don't know if Tesco did or didn't follow procedure, maybe it was the courts thatscrewed up here and shafted Tesco.

    In Ireland, an employee can get away with
    a hell of a lot before an employer can sac him/her.

    From my reading of it, albeit little, it appears that tis guy was taking the absolute piss[/QUOTE]

    Some of where they went wrong is listed in the OP. You did read it?

    They also say that
    In finding he was unfairly dismissed the tribunal said there was "an element of contribution" on the part of Mr Agbaje.


  • #73
    IrishManSaipan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭IrishManSaipan


    General Zod wrote: »
    Unless someone can produce proof he's an "asylum seeker" your assumptions are just making an ass out of "u" and "umptions".

    Il bet a grand against a tenner that he was an asylum seeker, you game?


  • #74
    IrishManSaipan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭IrishManSaipan


    Nodin wrote: »
    No idea what he did in Tesco. No idea how he came to Ireland. No idea if he was an Asylum seeker, following from which logically I've no idea whether his was a valid case or not. Neither do you, from the looks of things.

    Only 500 Nigerians have been issued with work permits since the scheme started. Work permits are not issued to future Tesco employees.


  • #75
    IrishManSaipan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭IrishManSaipan


    Nodin wrote: »
    The universal translator says ''Screw the facts - I want my rabble rabble rabble'

    The facts? Fact of the matter is the chances of this Nigerian getting into the state through claiming asylum and then getting leave to remain under the IBC scam are very, very high. So high in fact, Id put me gaff on it.


  • #76
    Sgt Hartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,944 ✭✭✭Sgt Hartman


    Nodin wrote: »
    I'm watching......:cool:

    Oh there you are, knew u couldn't stay away for long:(.

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  • #77
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    IrishManSaipan wrote: »
    The facts? Fact of the matter is the chances of this Nigerian getting into the state through claiming asylum and then getting leave to remain under the IBC scam are very, very high. So high in fact, Id put me gaff on it.

    So its a fact that you're presuming, based on assumptions. Yes. I'll agree with that.


  • #78
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Stee wrote: »
    WTF is €31 after expenses?? So he's got thirty odd quid left after he does his shopping, pays his bills, buys food etc? So ****ing what?

    Once he pays for the upkeep of the palace and wages for his courtiers, there's just not much left over.


  • #79
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Is a Tesco fireking better than a Bord na Mona Firelog?


  • #80
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    IrishManSaipan wrote: »
    Only 500 Nigerians have been issued with work permits since the system came into place. The vast majority of Nigerians came into the state as asylum seekers. Chances are his royal highness was an asylum seeker.

    Why is he going on his holidays to a country he claims to have fled? If he can holiday there, he can live there.

    Deport.

    He may well have been an asylum seeker, but since asylum seekers are not allowed either to work or to leave the state, it is clear that he is not now an asylum seeker.

    So deporting him isn't an option.


  • #81
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Is a Tesco fireking better than a Bord na Mona Firelog?

    Well, no one will accuse you of racism if you set the Bord na mona one on fire.......


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  • #82
    IrishManSaipan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭IrishManSaipan


    dvpower wrote: »
    He may well have been an asylum seeker, but since asylum seekers are not allowed either to work or to leave the state, it is clear that he is not now an asylum seeker.

    So deporting him isn't an option.

    Leave to remain can always be revoked by the Minister of Justice.

    He should be deported.


  • #83
    IrishManSaipan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭IrishManSaipan


    Nodin wrote: »
    So its a fact that you're presuming, based on assumptions. Yes. I'll agree with that.

    Its an assumption based on the stats. The vast majority of Nigerians in this state were asylum seekers at one stage. The majority of whom were given leave to remain under the IBC scam.

    Only 500 work permits were issued to Nigerians since the scheme was put in place. On the other hand, tens of thousands have been given leave to remain under the IBC scheme.

    Do you think his royal highness was headhunted by Tesco Offaly?:rolleyes:

    Now I wonder which assumption is more logical......


  • #84
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,304 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    IrishManSaipan wrote: »
    Leave to remain can always be revoked by the Minister of Justice.

    He should be deported.

    Or maybe he wasn't a refugee or just packing shelves?

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  • #85
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    IrishManSaipan wrote: »
    Its an assumption based on the stats. ..

    No, its a series of assumptions. A house of cards, in many ways.


  • #86
    IrishManSaipan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭IrishManSaipan


    K-9 wrote: »
    Or maybe he wasn't a refugee or just packing shelves?

    No, he definitely wasnt a refugee, I guarantee you he was an asylum seeker though.

    Nigerians, of the non asylum seeking variety, need a work permit to commence employment in Ireland. Unless you are a full time student, work permits for non EU citizens are not approved for future shelp stackers.

    If they were, half the third world would be heading our way.


  • #87
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    IrishManSaipan wrote: »
    Leave to remain can always be revoked by the Minister of Justice.

    He should be deported.

    You clearly know more about this case than I do (his previous status as an asylum seeker; the Minister for Justice granting him Leave To Remain; some subsequent misbehaviour that might lead the minister to revoke this Leave To Remain and have him deported...).

    Can you provide us all with more details (or are you just talking through your hat)?


  • #88
    IrishManSaipan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭IrishManSaipan


    Nodin wrote: »
    No, its a series of assumptions. A house of cards, in many ways.

    Based on the stats.

    -Vast majority of Nigerians were, at one stage, asylum seekers.
    -Work permits not issued to shelf stackers.
    -He is now a taxi driver, so he wasnt here on a language visa either as non EU students are not allowed become self employed.

    Id say its safe to say this man was an asylum seeker at one stage.


  • #89
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    IrishManSaipan wrote: »
    No, he definitely wasnt a refugee, I guarantee you he was an asylum seeker though.

    ...then its "put up" time on your part, isn't it?


  • #90
    IrishManSaipan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭IrishManSaipan


    dvpower wrote: »
    You clearly know more about this case than I do (his previous status as an asylum seeker; the Minister for Justice granting him Leave To Remain; some subsequent misbehaviour that might lead the minister to revoke this Leave To Remain and have him deported...).

    Can you provide us all with more details (or are you just talking through your hat)?

    -Only 500 work permits issued to Nigerians since their introduction.
    -The vast majority of Nigerians in the Irish state were, at one stage, asylum seekers.
    -Work permits not issued to shelf stackers.
    -Not on a language visa either, as he is now a taxi driver.
    -98% of all Nigerians failed their claims for asylum, refused refugee status but given leave to remain, mainly due to the IBC scam.

    As I said to the other poster, I bet you a grand against a tenner that the King was an asylum seeker.

    If he can holiday in Nigeria, he can live in Nigeria. Deport.


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  • #91
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,350 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    K-9 wrote: »
    Or maybe he wasn't a refugee or just packing shelves?

    I'm sure that Tesco would have had him sent home in a crate of returned Fair Trade goods, if they knew that they could get away with it.


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