.. but Ryanair wants to give Ireland jobs!!

Joey the lips · 15-02-2010 04:24PM

If any body believes that this is a genuine retort or tantrum by ryanair then they need to be told about father christmas. This is nothing more than a publicity stunt. A cheap nasty publicity stunt. If Michael o leary had his way he would want the govt to buy these jobs off him and who can blame him. He is a business man,

But you folks please be senseable and get real. The govt despite my annoyance with mary C would not let these jobs go and if michael o leary could he would sell them to another country.

This is the man who looses 3 million on his share value and thinks ahh well.

He know more cares about ireland than michael dell did.

syklops · 15-02-2010 04:27PM

Joey the lips wrote: »

If any body believes that this is a genuine retort or tantrum by ryanair then they need to be told about father christmas. This is nothing more than a publicity stunt. A cheap nasty publicity stunt. If Michael o leary had his way he would want the govt to buy these jobs off him and who can blame him. He is a business man,

But you folks please be senseable and get real. The govt despite my annoyance with mary C would not let these jobs go and if michael o leary could he would sell them to another country.

This is the man who looses 3 million on his share value and thinks ahh well.

He know more cares about ireland than michael dell did.

God forbid a business man might want to make some money.

This is the man who looses 3 million on his share value and thinks ahh well.

I dont understand this comment. Surely this is a good thing. The opposite would be "Oh no! I have lost 3 million. Ill have to make 500 people redundant"

15-02-2010 04:40PM

I wouldn't blame him (O'Leary) wanting to cut out the DAA. They are a shower of parasitic cnuts who like to pay themselves unjustified salaries and bonuses as if they were a successful private company - which they are not.

PeakOutput · 15-02-2010 04:40PM

Joey the lips wrote: »

The govt despite my annoyance with mary C would not let these jobs go and if michael o leary could he would sell them to another country.

he already has did you read the article? because he cant be arsed to deal with the daa because of their ineptitude scotland has gotten 200 of these jobs and another country is going to be announced this week for the other 300

He know more cares about ireland than michael dell did.

no1 said he did, he does what is best for ryanair but he always give the goverment ample opportunity to make the best thing for ryanair ireland and allow ireland have all the benefits that comes with that. in the boom times we didnt need him that much but now we very badly need his jobs and his business and we should do everything we can to keep as much of it as possible

General Zod · 15-02-2010 04:41PM

O'Leary should have gone to the DAA directly.

Why is this coming out now, and not last August when this happens?

O'Leary has been holding on for this for the oppertune time to advertise Ryanair.

PeakOutput · 15-02-2010 04:47PM

General Zod wrote: »

O'Leary has been holding on for this for the oppertune time to advertise Ryanair.

so? if the goverment didnt **** up he wouldnt have anything to hold onto

General Zod · 15-02-2010 04:51PM

PeakOutput wrote: »

so? if the goverment didnt **** up he wouldnt have anything to hold onto

Do you think it was all as clear as ryanair made out?

The government and the DAA offered to build a new Hangar for this, Ryanair were insisting on hangar 6.

mickoneill30 · 15-02-2010 04:51PM

Joey the lips wrote: »

But you folks please be senseable and get real. The govt despite my annoyance with mary C would not let these jobs go and if michael o leary could he would sell them to another country.

O'Leary is doing this because he knows that the government aren't going to kick out Aer Lingus from the hangar so he can spout about 10, 100 or 1000 jobs and look like he's trying to help Ireland safe in the knowledge that he won't have to deliver.

USA · 15-02-2010 04:55PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

500 jobs an economy does not make, even more so when there's alot more then that currently unemployed.

That's irrelevant because for a start, no company is going to come along and hire 400,000 people and sort out the unemployment crisis. I'm not even sure if there's a global company who have that many staff.

The way to sort this is seize opportunities like this, create 500 jobs, then another, do it 10 times and you have 5000 jobs. Bang, the government saves €50 million/year in dole payments.

Guy:Incognito · 15-02-2010 04:56PM

Senna wrote: »

Everyone know he's takes great pleasure in childish antics, but his record speaks for itself, if he wants Coughlan to wipe his arse for these jobs, then she should be handed the roll and told to get on all fours. .

So now people want FF cozying up to private companies and givng them shortcuts to get their business done?

Make your bleeding minds up.

syklops · 15-02-2010 04:58PM

USA wrote: »

That's irrelevant because for a start, no company is going to come along and hire 400,000 people and sort out the unemployment crisis. I'm not even sure if there's a global company who have that many staff.

IBM have about 403,000.

thetonynator · 15-02-2010 05:02PM

much as i hate michael o leary, mary coughlan really does seem to fuck up everything shes involved in . . .

PeakOutput · 15-02-2010 05:10PM

Stekelly wrote: »

So now people want FF cozying up to private companies and givng them shortcuts to get their business done?

Make your bleeding minds up.

its not a short cut when the organisation you dont want to deal with has actively tried to screw you in the past its a way to get dealt with fairly

also the goverment fianna fail or otherwise should be offering all the incentives they need to to get the economy back on track. its not the same as cosying up to developers in a tent at the races no1 is saying incentivising business is wrong

as has been said already if this was not ryanair the ida would be throwing cash at them

the_syco · 15-02-2010 05:27PM

PeakOutput wrote: »

as has been said already if this was not ryanair the ida would be throwing cash at them

If he really wanted the hanger, he could've gone public about all this when it happened, and not 6 months later.

Dravokivich · 15-02-2010 05:38PM

USA wrote: »

That's irrelevant because for a start, no company is going to come along and hire 400,000 people and sort out the unemployment crisis. I'm not even sure if there's a global company who have that many staff.

The way to sort this is seize opportunities like this, create 500 jobs, then another, do it 10 times and you have 5000 jobs. Bang, the government saves €50 million/year in dole payments.

5,000 people = €50 million a year? that's how much €.€ per head?

Also, Ryanair aren't just a blow in company right now... how long have they been around? They are firm and established in the market. If MOL really wanted to grow and Develope, he'd have plans put forward along with proposals instead of expecting the Government to organise it...

syklops · 15-02-2010 05:49PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

5,000 people = €50 million a year? that's how much €.€ per head?

Dole for one person = 204 euro per week.

thats 10608 over 52 weeks.

5000 people getting 10,608 euro a year = 53,040,000.

Forest Master · 15-02-2010 05:55PM

syklops wrote: »

Dole for one person = 204 euro per week.

thats 10608 over 52 weeks.

5000 people getting 10,608 euro a year = 530,400,00 or just over half a billion euro.

It's €53m. You put your commas in the wrong place.

PeakOutput · 15-02-2010 05:55PM

syklops wrote: »

Dole for one person = 204 euro per week.

thats 10608 over 52 weeks.

5000 people getting 10,608 euro a year = 530,400,00 or just over half a billion euro.

its actually 50 million not 500 but its still a massive number, not to mention they will be paying tax out of their new earnings will probably be the same again or there abouts and the extra vat income when they spend their disposable income

PeakOutput · 15-02-2010 05:57PM

the_syco wrote: »

If he really wanted the hanger, he could've gone public about all this when it happened, and not 6 months later.

you really dont understand that it dosnt matter what he did or didnt want or why he wanted it?

he offered the goverment a way to get 500 jobs into the economy and they didnt even bother trying

they dont know what his intentions are they should have made it so easy for him to say yes here are the jobs instead of just fobbing him off then there are no arguments either way about weather or not he wanted it or was just trying to embarass the goverment it would have been plainly obvious

but no instead they decided to sit on their hoels and do nothing and missed a potential opportunity to get 500 people off the dol

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Dravokivich · 15-02-2010 06:07PM

syklops wrote: »

Dole for one person = 204 euro per week.

thats 10608 over 52 weeks.

5000 people getting 10,608 euro a year = 530,400,00 or just over half a billion euro.

Wasn't saying it was wrong, was just thinking it's alot when you break it down. You think 1 person gets so little, then when that little is given out to alot...

btw, €53,040,000 was a little bit closer.

But, even with that in mind, I still think Ryanair itself should be taking on responsibility to co-ordinate with the DAA.

If you took out Ryanair and the DAA here for a second, and just imagine Company A and Company B. Company A wants to provide a service that requires envolvement from Company B, no 2 ways about it, Company B are a requirement for it to work. Company A refuse to co-operate or co-ordinate a business plan with Company B.

Professionally speaking here, where does Company A stand?

What we are looking at here and seeing with the PR been thrown about, is that MOL is a relentless hound and is just feeding off public opinion about the government when it suits him. He didn't just create those 200 jobs over night in Scotland... did he put out a release in regards to how receptive the equivlant to a minister for enterprise has been over there?

He's only spurting this now as these new maintenance sites are becoming active...

15-02-2010 06:18PM

O'Leary is my favourite Irish personality ever I'd say.. We all bitch about the government, he does the same except he's in a position to do something.

And what's with this sense of entitlement? He doesn't owe us the jobs. He built an empire that serves the haters and lovers alike day in day out. He offers to give jobs and to be honest, if it meant the entire dismantelling of the DAA, it should have been done.

He's a legend. Do you see coin operated toilets or standing on airplanes? No. He knows how to work the media and create the hype. Those who hate him still fly with him so he must be doing something right.

General Zod · 15-02-2010 06:28PM

PeakOutput wrote: »

you really dont understand that it dosnt matter what he did or didnt want or why he wanted it?

he offered the goverment a way to get 500 jobs into the economy and they didnt even bother trying

yes they did. they even offered to build a new hangar just for this.

they dont know what his intentions are they should have made it so easy for him to say yes here are the jobs instead of just fobbing him off then there are no arguments either way about weather or not he wanted it or was just trying to embarass the goverment it would have been plainly obvious

He is trying to embarass the government, it's his M.O. to get himself free advertising when he doesn't get his every whim.

but no instead they decided to sit on their hoels and do nothing and missed a potential opportunity to get 500 people off the dol

Why was he insistent that Aer Lingus get kicked out of that hangar?

He wants the DAA to come cap in hand to him, and the government to roll over to his demands rather than doing things properly and respond the the offer to do business from the DAA, which he never responded to.

PeakOutput · 15-02-2010 06:33PM

General Zod wrote: »

He wants the DAA to come cap in hand to him, and the government to roll over to his demands rather than doing things properly and respond the the offer to do business from the DAA, which he never responded to.

god your in dreamland.

the daa has been proven to actively try and thwart mol and ryanair, if i was him i would stay as far away form them as possible as well.

its the ida's job to negotiate these things for the benefit of our country all mol did was ask the tanaiste to ask the ida to do their job

PeakOutput · 15-02-2010 06:34PM

just heard on newstalk that the goverment have released a statement saying they and the ida are available immedietely to discuss creating these 300 jobs with ryanair so hopefully some good will come of this

Southsider1 · 15-02-2010 06:36PM

General Zod wrote: »

yes they did. they even offered to build a new hangar just for this.

He is trying to embarass the government, it's his M.O. to get himself free advertising when he doesn't get his every whim.

Why was he insistent that Aer Lingus get kicked out of that hangar?

He wants the DAA to come cap in hand to him, and the government to roll over to his demands rather than doing things properly and respond the the offer to do business from the DAA, which he never responded to.

Because the hangar was designed for heavy maintenance by SR but Aerlingus are using it for line maintenance. There's other more suitable spaces available out there for that.

The problem with Ireland nowadays is the arrogance we acquired during the celtic tiger. We need to drop it and fast and grasp ANY opportunity to rebuild our economy. We can't afford to be choosy.

Pacing Mule · 15-02-2010 06:51PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

actually... what i'm saying is it shouldn't be the responsiblity of the Government...

Maybe it shouldn't be but what IS the responsibillity of the government is to revive the economy and the most fundamental aspect of this is to protect and create jobs. If by getting involved in the dispute between the two parties now and even if it means acting like a peacekeeper beteen them in the future to create 500 jobs then as far as I'm concerned the need for jobs far outweighs the "it shouldn't have to be done" argument.

jimmycrackcorm · 15-02-2010 06:51PM

MOl is no innocent in this when you consider how he played off Airbus against Boeing...

PeakOutput · 15-02-2010 06:53PM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

MOl is no innocent in this when you consider how he played off Airbus against Boeing...

eh thats his job and he is very very good at it

USA · 15-02-2010 06:53PM

syklops wrote: »

Dole for one person = 204 €19euro per week.

thats 10608 over 52 weeks.

5000 people getting 10,608 euro a year = 53,040,000.

The maximum rate for jobseekers allowance/benefit is now €196 per week.

The figure would be closer to €50 million than €53 million.

Pete4779 · 15-02-2010 06:55PM

Nate--IRL-- wrote: »

I posted these in another thread, while not completely relevant, it does give some insight into one of the participants of this little charade. I think these say as much about Irish journalism as well as Mary.

LINKS TO HARDTALK WITH COUGHLAN

Nate

My god almighty, she is entirely disconnected from reality. Her opening sentence contradicts everything that the government has done:

1. Cause of collapse is structural? No it isn't: it's from pouring billions into bad loans for the likes of Anglo that no taxpayer would pay if they had a choice

2. Continuing to invest in education: No you are not: we have more schools closed, more teachers laid off and not a single Top 100 university in the world

3. Continuing to invest in research: No you are not: funding has been cut to provide access to research networks like journals, etc., for academic institutions.

She is lying constantly. It's either planned (unlikely, seeing as she is an imbecile and should never be in that position) or accidental (her pure stupid naivety; Coughlan in government is Affirmative Action at it's best).

.. but Ryanair wants to give Ireland jobs!!

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