.. but Ryanair wants to give Ireland jobs!!

connundrum

http://www.rte.ie/business/2010/0215/ryanair.html

O'Leary offers to meet Tánaiste on jobs

Ryanair chief Michael O'Leary has offered to meet Tánaiste Mary Coughlan, who has been defending her handling of the airline's offer to create 500 jobs on the former SR Technics site in North Dublin.

Ryanair had claimed she did not adequately deal with the matter. 200 of the proposed jobs are now going to Glasgow.

Ryanair claimed over the weekend that it had offered to create 500 jobs on the SR Technics site after it closed last year with the loss of 1,000 jobs. But the airline said it did not want to deal directly with the Dublin Airport Authority.
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Correspondence released by the airline after it made the initial offer to the Tánaiste shows that Mary Coughlan replied that direct discussion with the airline and the DAA was needed to progress the plans. In response, six months later Ryanair announced that 200 of the jobs were to go to Glasgow.

The airline has criticised Ms Coughlan and said the Tánaiste fobbed it off. But the Minister said every effort was made by her and IDA Ireland to secure the Ryanair investment and urged the airline to continue its dialogue with her.

In response, Ryanair has released a letter sent by chief executive Michael O'Leary which calls for a meeting with her to 'explain the one or two simple steps' which could be taken to secure the jobs. The airline claims a small part of Hangar 6 has been rented by Aer Lingus, but the DAA could move Aer Lingus to another empty hangar, making it available for sale to Ryanair.

A spokesperson for IDA Ireland said it did not discuss ongoing negotiations, but its offices were available to try to resolve the issue, and the IDA had been in regular contact with Ryanair and the Dublin Airport Authority.

O'Leary: Will you ask the DAA to pass the salt?
Coughlin: I won't, you'll have to ask them yourself.
DAA: C'mon Michael, you want the salt, all you've to do is ask for it.
O'Leary: Mary, will you tell the DAA to stop talking to me. And tell them to give me the salt otherwise I'll turn this table over!!
Coughlin: Stop being such a child
O'Leary: WWwwaaaaa!!

**Note that the salt/table inserts are a metaphor for the old SRT Hangar.

Pacing Mule

I couldn't give a f*ck who is not talking to who but at the end of the day if there is a legitimate chance of 500 jobs the Tanaiste should have and should now knock heads together and get it sorted. Am sick to death of political bullsh!t and what goes with it. Let's just get on with it FFS.

conorhal

connundrum wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/business/2010/0215/ryanair.html



O'Leary: Will you ask the DAA to pass the salt?
Coughlin: I won't, you'll have to ask them yourself.
DAA: C'mon Michael, you want the salt, all you've to do is ask for it.
O'Leary: Mary, will you tell the DAA to stop talking to me. And tell them to give me the salt otherwise I'll turn this table over!!
Coughlin: Stop being such a child
O'Leary: WWwwaaaaa!!

**Note that the salt/table inserts are a metaphor for the old SRT Hangar.

:pac::pac::pac:

I couldn't agree more, O' Leary is a dispicable creature that only seems to enjoy a deal if he can humiliate somebody in the process, truely he is the lowest example of how soulless capitalism can be.
He also seems to need a minister to kiss his ass every two minutes just to validate his own self worth and when everybody does not pay the close attention to his antics that he demands, then like the three year old with ADHD, he throws a wobbler! O'Leary in this case is effectively bordering on a demand for political interference on his behalf because he rather childishly 'won't play nicely with the DAA'. He's clearly never heard the word no and needs a good smack IMHO....

WindSock

Why should he be exempt from dealing with the DAA? Are any other airlines or does he feel he can wag the dog because he has the ability to create 200/300/500 more jobs.

Dravokivich

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

I couldn't give a f*ck who is not talking to who but at the end of the day if there is a legitimate chance of 500 jobs the Tanaiste should have and should now knock heads together and get it sorted. Am sick to death of political bullsh!t and what goes with it. Let's just get on with it FFS.

Why should she be doing it? End of the day this is between 2 independant companies, they should be dealing with themselves.

Pacing Mule

Dravokivich wrote: »

Why should she be doing it? End of the day this is between 2 independant companies, they should be dealing with themselves.

Because the economy is in the gutter, 2 parties if they were to sort out their differences could result in 500 jobs. I'd expect every public figure / politician with any influence to roll their sleeves up and get stuck in to sort it out. Doesn't take away at all from the fact that there is childish behaviour going on but we should be fighting for every job we can get / save no matter the circumstances. If the Tanaiste is in a position to intervene then she should.

Saadyst

Because it's 500 jobs.

Dravokivich

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

Because the economy is in the gutter, 2 parties if they were to sort out their differences could result in 500 jobs. I'd expect every public figure / politician with any influence to roll their sleeves up and get stuck in to sort it out. Doesn't take away at all from the fact that there is childish behaviour going on but we should be fighting for every job we can get / save no matter the circumstances. If the Tanaiste is in a position to intervene then she should.

Saadyst wrote: »

Because it's 500 jobs.

What good is 500 jobs if company A is not able to co-ordinate with company B?

Issue with the economy now is how various companys and the our industries are able to handle themselves to get back up, being spoonfed or having their hands held isn't going to fúcking help.

If any company feel the Government owe them for their own incompetance, good riddance to that company...

Pacing Mule

Dravokivich wrote: »

What good is 500 jobs if company A is not able to co-ordinate with company B?

Completely missing the point of the govt getting involved and knocking heads together. If that needs to be done on an ongoing basis so be it.

Dravokivich

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

Completely missing the point of the govt getting involved and knocking heads together. If that needs to be done on an ongoing basis so be it.

actually... what i'm saying is it shouldn't be the responsiblity of the Government...

Forest Master

I completely see O' Leary's point. He just wants to cut through the pointless bullsh*t & red tape that hinders & slows down positive change in this country.
If it wasn't for Ryanair, Aer Lingus would still be charging IR£150+ (equivalent) for a return flight to Heathrow - that's what I used to pay in the late 90's. Now I can pay €40 (inc. taxes) for a return to Gatwick.
All he does is try to cut through the sh*t. No idea why people have a problem with that - the Ryanair/O'Leary haters baffle me. Ryanair offer cheap flights which you can avail of or not - simple, no? And there are no "hidden" charges, contrary to idiotic & logic-defying claims. It really is simple: before I hit the "Purchase Now" button, I can see exactly how much I'm being charged. How is that "hidden"? People are stupid.

Morlar

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

I couldn't give a f*ck who is not talking to who but at the end of the day if there is a legitimate chance of 500 jobs the Tanaiste should have and should now knock heads together and get it sorted. Am sick to death of political bullsh!t and what goes with it. Let's just get on with it FFS.

If this was a foreign company looking to create 500 jobs in Ireland the IDA would be throwing millions upon millions at them, begging them to come here and then giving them tax breaks till the cows come home. As it's ryanair the leinster house shower basically said 'talk to the hand'. Un-****ing believable. Yes O'leary is a prima-donna but 500 jobs are the important part of this story.

Senna

Everyone know he's takes great pleasure in childish antics, but his record speaks for itself, if he wants Coughlan to wipe his arse for these jobs, then she should be handed the roll and told to get on all fours.
The now redundant staff from SRT have very little hope of new employment, if any minister can do anything for them, morals should take a back seat.

Run_to_da_hills

The state would sooner have 500 on the dole than to give into O'Learys terms & conditions.

Shayman

conorhal wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac:

I couldn't agree more, O' Leary is a dispicable creature that only seems to enjoy a deal if he can humiliate somebody in the process, truely he is the lowest example of how soulless capitalism can be.
He also seems to need a minister to kiss his ass every two minutes just to validate his own self worth and when everybody does not pay the close attention to his antics that he demands, then like the three year old with ADHD, he throws a wobbler! O'Leary in this case is effectively bordering on a demand for political interference on his behalf because he rather childishly 'won't play nicely with the DAA'. He's clearly never heard the word no and needs a good smack IMHO....

That's a bit unfair. Just 'cos he's not prepared to put up with the bull**** that the Govt quangos dole out doesn't make him the evil one. He made flying affordable for many people who prior to Ryanair wouldn't be able to.How many jobs have you created Conorhal?

Dravokivich wrote: »

Why should she be doing it? End of the day this is between 2 independant companies, they should be dealing with themselves.

Because she's the minister for enterprise and she's doing f**k all else! And they're not 2 independent companies. DAA is a state owned operation that does not have any business sense. You only have to spend a day at the airport to realise that.

Dravokivich wrote: »

actually... what i'm saying is it shouldn't be the responsiblity of the Government...

YES IT SHOULD! It doesn't matter who is creating the jobs a the moment. Ireland needs them and, sadly, if we have to go and beg for them then so be it. THE CELTIC TIGER IS DEAD!!!!

JimiTime

conorhal wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac:

I couldn't agree more, O' Leary is a dispicable creature that only seems to enjoy a deal if he can humiliate somebody in the process, truely he is the lowest example of how soulless capitalism can be.
He also seems to need a minister to kiss his ass every two minutes just to validate his own self worth and when everybody does not pay the close attention to his antics that he demands, then like the three year old with ADHD, he throws a wobbler! O'Leary in this case is effectively bordering on a demand for political interference on his behalf because he rather childishly 'won't play nicely with the DAA'. He's clearly never heard the word no and needs a good smack IMHO....

Or maybe he hates the way of politics, and enjoys exposing it and its people for the idiot bunch they are.

positron

Government, by definition, is to serve its people. Minister directly responsible for job creation, and especially helping people who lost jobs during the whole HR Technics fiasco, should have had some cope on when they see an good opportunity. They should have at least called a meeting with all the parties involved, instead of saying 'talk to DAA' or whatever.

If O'Leary wanted to make his bid 'more attractable' by declaring '500 jobs' as the carrot, that's his business skill, and that's not something you can hold against him, IMHO!

Forest Master

Dravokivich wrote: »

Why should she be doing it?

She's the Minister for Enter[prise. It's part of her job. She gets paid to do this.

this is between 2 independant companies

The DAA is government run.

Dravokivich

Shayman wrote: »

Because she's the minister for enterprise and she's doing f**k all else! And they're not 2 independent companies. DAA is a state owned operation that does not have any business sense. You only have to spend a day at the airport to realise that.

Which makes her the head of HR Ireland?

s'pose it's easy for Michael to blame someone else when he's so well known for being faultless...

Edit:

Forest Master wrote: »

The DAA is government run.

Fair enough, I was saying rather broadly, but even then, surely Relationship Management here isn't part of her remit...

As suggested by her telling Michael to speak with them...

KerranJast

There's very bad blood between the DAA and Ryanair. It was proven in court in the UK last year that the DAA coluded with Aer Lingus to prevent Ryanair being allowed lease a hangar at Dublin Airport. MOL is obviously sick of dealing with them and seems just to want a middleman like the IDA to deal with. Coughlan should be jumping through hoops to get this sorted tbf.

Saadyst

Yeah, it's not like the economy isn't number one priority right now, I'm sure there's better things for the minister to be doing... right?

Nate--IRL--

I posted these in another thread, while not completely relevant, it does give some insight into one of the participants of this little charade. I think these say as much about Irish journalism as well as Mary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkkvU6LC3ZY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSw825ORu2Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCQ_x15g0hQ

Nate

Dravokivich

Saadyst wrote: »

Yeah, it's not like the economy isn't number one priority right now, I'm sure there's better things for the minister to be doing... right?

500 jobs an economy does not make, even more so when there's alot more then that currently unemployed.

There's a much bigger picture if you want to call the "Better for the Economy" card. MOL is just to full of his own sense of pride. He should try not shouting and slagging the shíte out of everyone for once...

Southsider1

Saadyst wrote: »

Yeah, it's not like the economy isn't number one priority right now, I'm sure there's better things for the minister to be doing... right?

Why? What else is she doing? How many jobs has she been responsible for creating? Have you experience dealing with the Dept of Enterprise? I have. I was in the process of creating some (seven) jobs last year. Was told they couldn't help me. Not enough jobs, wrong type of industry, not in their remit..... Excuses excuses. So what's your experience of them?

connundrum

Dravokivich wrote: »

500 jobs an economy does not make, even more so when there's alot more then that currently unemployed.

There's a much bigger picture if you want to call the "Better for the Economy" card. MOL is just to full of his own sense of pride. He should try not shouting and slagging the shíte out of everyone for once...

500 is about 500 times better than 0.

MOL is proud, and he has a record which can back up his pride. Coughlan's record is less than impressive IMO.

If Ryanair are the only one's coming out about the ****e that they've to put up with re: the Govt or IDA, you can be sure that at least another 5 - 10 companies have faced the same slog - they simply wouldn't get the same media attention that MOL would though.

All state and semi-state bodies I've dealt with are very strict when it comes to their systems, despite how crap and counter productive their systems might be. They are strict, until it suits them to bend the rules i.e. collaborate with Aer Lingus to keep Ryanair out of a hangar last year.

stovelid

Sweet jesus, do I have to see that mongo's (or his company) name every time I log in to AH?

the_syco

“These jobs could be secured for Ireland and see SR Technics engineers re-employed if this Minister for Enterprise would simply direct the DAA monopoly to sell Hangar 6 to Ryanair at the same arm’s-length price they paid recently to buy the facility from SR Technics,” he said.

I wonder what would happen to the two companies who were already there, then?

conorhal

"That's a bit unfair. Just 'cos he's not prepared to put up with the bull**** that the Govt quangos dole out doesn't make him the evil one. He made flying affordable for many people who prior to Ryanair wouldn't be able to."

He doesn't put up with bull****, yet expects everybody else to swallow his? Why exactly is he entitled to have a minister trail after him, kissing his ass, for no better reason then the fact that he likes his ego stroked? I do not like to see a bully rewarded. He made flying with Ryanair affordable, had he not some other low cost carrier would have. He has alo consistantly driven the race to the bottom with an attitude that staff should be reduced to chattle and humanity and dignity are comodities with a price.

"How many jobs have you created Conorhal?"

I'm not in the McJob creation sector.

rugbyman

KerranJast wrote: »

There's very bad blood between the DAA and Ryanair. It was proven in court in the UK last year that the DAA coluded with Aer Lingus to prevent Ryanair being allowed lease a hangar at Dublin Airport. MOL is obviously sick of dealing with them and seems just to want a middleman like the IDA to deal with. Coughlan should be jumping through hoops to get this sorted tbf.

If this is true then that is the end of the story. why on earth should one of irelands most successful men deal with these people who tried to thwart him. i note the same tone in many posts about MOL, i bet a the price of a slap up meal that few of them are self employed.

regards rugbyman

syklops

Dravokivich wrote: »

There's a much bigger picture if you want to call the "Better for the Economy" card. MOL is just to full of his own sense of pride. He should try not shouting and slagging the shíte out of everyone for once...

He is also one of the only people with any money right now, and he is willing to use some of it to give out of work aircraft technicians a job. DAA and Mary Clouglan refuse to pass the salt(thanks OP). No wonder he is slagging them.

Southsider1

conorhal wrote: »

"
"How many jobs have you created Conorhal?"

I'm not in the McJob creation sector.

That's nice for you. But there's plenty of people would be glad of a 'McJob' as you so smugly called it. I hope it all stays fine for you and I hope Ireland continues to have Entrepreneurs such as Ml O'Leary and even major employers like McDonalds.......

Joey the lips

If any body believes that this is a genuine retort or tantrum by ryanair then they need to be told about father christmas. This is nothing more than a publicity stunt. A cheap nasty publicity stunt. If Michael o leary had his way he would want the govt to buy these jobs off him and who can blame him. He is a business man,

But you folks please be senseable and get real. The govt despite my annoyance with mary C would not let these jobs go and if michael o leary could he would sell them to another country.

This is the man who looses 3 million on his share value and thinks ahh well.

He know more cares about ireland than michael dell did.

syklops

Joey the lips wrote: »

If any body believes that this is a genuine retort or tantrum by ryanair then they need to be told about father christmas. This is nothing more than a publicity stunt. A cheap nasty publicity stunt. If Michael o leary had his way he would want the govt to buy these jobs off him and who can blame him. He is a business man,

But you folks please be senseable and get real. The govt despite my annoyance with mary C would not let these jobs go and if michael o leary could he would sell them to another country.

This is the man who looses 3 million on his share value and thinks ahh well.

He know more cares about ireland than michael dell did.

God forbid a business man might want to make some money.

This is the man who looses 3 million on his share value and thinks ahh well.

I dont understand this comment. Surely this is a good thing. The opposite would be "Oh no! I have lost 3 million. Ill have to make 500 people redundant"

I wouldn't blame him (O'Leary) wanting to cut out the DAA. They are a shower of parasitic cnuts who like to pay themselves unjustified salaries and bonuses as if they were a successful private company - which they are not.

PeakOutput

Joey the lips wrote: »

The govt despite my annoyance with mary C would not let these jobs go and if michael o leary could he would sell them to another country.

he already has did you read the article? because he cant be arsed to deal with the daa because of their ineptitude scotland has gotten 200 of these jobs and another country is going to be announced this week for the other 300

He know more cares about ireland than michael dell did.

no1 said he did, he does what is best for ryanair but he always give the goverment ample opportunity to make the best thing for ryanair ireland and allow ireland have all the benefits that comes with that. in the boom times we didnt need him that much but now we very badly need his jobs and his business and we should do everything we can to keep as much of it as possible

General Zod

O'Leary should have gone to the DAA directly.

Why is this coming out now, and not last August when this happens?

O'Leary has been holding on for this for the oppertune time to advertise Ryanair.

PeakOutput

General Zod wrote: »

O'Leary has been holding on for this for the oppertune time to advertise Ryanair.

so? if the goverment didnt **** up he wouldnt have anything to hold onto

General Zod

PeakOutput wrote: »

so? if the goverment didnt **** up he wouldnt have anything to hold onto

Do you think it was all as clear as ryanair made out?

The government and the DAA offered to build a new Hangar for this, Ryanair were insisting on hangar 6.

mickoneill30

Joey the lips wrote: »

But you folks please be senseable and get real. The govt despite my annoyance with mary C would not let these jobs go and if michael o leary could he would sell them to another country.

O'Leary is doing this because he knows that the government aren't going to kick out Aer Lingus from the hangar so he can spout about 10, 100 or 1000 jobs and look like he's trying to help Ireland safe in the knowledge that he won't have to deliver.

USA

Dravokivich wrote: »

500 jobs an economy does not make, even more so when there's alot more then that currently unemployed.

That's irrelevant because for a start, no company is going to come along and hire 400,000 people and sort out the unemployment crisis. I'm not even sure if there's a global company who have that many staff.

The way to sort this is seize opportunities like this, create 500 jobs, then another, do it 10 times and you have 5000 jobs. Bang, the government saves €50 million/year in dole payments.

Guy:Incognito

Senna wrote: »

Everyone know he's takes great pleasure in childish antics, but his record speaks for itself, if he wants Coughlan to wipe his arse for these jobs, then she should be handed the roll and told to get on all fours. .

So now people want FF cozying up to private companies and givng them shortcuts to get their business done?

Make your bleeding minds up.

syklops

USA wrote: »

That's irrelevant because for a start, no company is going to come along and hire 400,000 people and sort out the unemployment crisis. I'm not even sure if there's a global company who have that many staff.

IBM have about 403,000.

thetonynator

much as i hate michael o leary, mary coughlan really does seem to fuck up everything shes involved in . . .

PeakOutput

Stekelly wrote: »

So now people want FF cozying up to private companies and givng them shortcuts to get their business done?

Make your bleeding minds up.

its not a short cut when the organisation you dont want to deal with has actively tried to screw you in the past its a way to get dealt with fairly

also the goverment fianna fail or otherwise should be offering all the incentives they need to to get the economy back on track. its not the same as cosying up to developers in a tent at the races no1 is saying incentivising business is wrong

as has been said already if this was not ryanair the ida would be throwing cash at them

the_syco

PeakOutput wrote: »

as has been said already if this was not ryanair the ida would be throwing cash at them

If he really wanted the hanger, he could've gone public about all this when it happened, and not 6 months later.

Dravokivich

USA wrote: »

That's irrelevant because for a start, no company is going to come along and hire 400,000 people and sort out the unemployment crisis. I'm not even sure if there's a global company who have that many staff.

The way to sort this is seize opportunities like this, create 500 jobs, then another, do it 10 times and you have 5000 jobs. Bang, the government saves €50 million/year in dole payments.

5,000 people = €50 million a year? that's how much €.€ per head?

Also, Ryanair aren't just a blow in company right now... how long have they been around? They are firm and established in the market. If MOL really wanted to grow and Develope, he'd have plans put forward along with proposals instead of expecting the Government to organise it...

syklops

Dravokivich wrote: »

5,000 people = €50 million a year? that's how much €.€ per head?

Dole for one person = 204 euro per week.

thats 10608 over 52 weeks.

5000 people getting 10,608 euro a year = 53,040,000.

Forest Master

syklops wrote: »

Dole for one person = 204 euro per week.

thats 10608 over 52 weeks.

5000 people getting 10,608 euro a year = 530,400,00 or just over half a billion euro.

It's €53m. You put your commas in the wrong place.

PeakOutput

syklops wrote: »

Dole for one person = 204 euro per week.

thats 10608 over 52 weeks.

5000 people getting 10,608 euro a year = 530,400,00 or just over half a billion euro.

its actually 50 million not 500 but its still a massive number, not to mention they will be paying tax out of their new earnings will probably be the same again or there abouts and the extra vat income when they spend their disposable income

PeakOutput

the_syco wrote: »

If he really wanted the hanger, he could've gone public about all this when it happened, and not 6 months later.

you really dont understand that it dosnt matter what he did or didnt want or why he wanted it?

he offered the goverment a way to get 500 jobs into the economy and they didnt even bother trying

they dont know what his intentions are they should have made it so easy for him to say yes here are the jobs instead of just fobbing him off then there are no arguments either way about weather or not he wanted it or was just trying to embarass the goverment it would have been plainly obvious

but no instead they decided to sit on their hoels and do nothing and missed a potential opportunity to get 500 people off the dol

UNACCEPTABLE

Dravokivich

syklops wrote: »

Dole for one person = 204 euro per week.

thats 10608 over 52 weeks.

5000 people getting 10,608 euro a year = 530,400,00 or just over half a billion euro.

Wasn't saying it was wrong, was just thinking it's alot when you break it down. You think 1 person gets so little, then when that little is given out to alot...

btw, €53,040,000 was a little bit closer.

But, even with that in mind, I still think Ryanair itself should be taking on responsibility to co-ordinate with the DAA.

If you took out Ryanair and the DAA here for a second, and just imagine Company A and Company B. Company A wants to provide a service that requires envolvement from Company B, no 2 ways about it, Company B are a requirement for it to work. Company A refuse to co-operate or co-ordinate a business plan with Company B.

Professionally speaking here, where does Company A stand?

What we are looking at here and seeing with the PR been thrown about, is that MOL is a relentless hound and is just feeding off public opinion about the government when it suits him. He didn't just create those 200 jobs over night in Scotland... did he put out a release in regards to how receptive the equivlant to a minister for enterprise has been over there?

He's only spurting this now as these new maintenance sites are becoming active...