.. but Ryanair wants to give Ireland jobs!!

connundrum · 15-02-2010 02:51PM #1

http://www.rte.ie/business/2010/0215/ryanair.html

O'Leary offers to meet Tánaiste on jobs

Ryanair chief Michael O'Leary has offered to meet Tánaiste Mary Coughlan, who has been defending her handling of the airline's offer to create 500 jobs on the former SR Technics site in North Dublin.

Ryanair had claimed she did not adequately deal with the matter. 200 of the proposed jobs are now going to Glasgow.

Ryanair claimed over the weekend that it had offered to create 500 jobs on the SR Technics site after it closed last year with the loss of 1,000 jobs. But the airline said it did not want to deal directly with the Dublin Airport Authority.
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Correspondence released by the airline after it made the initial offer to the Tánaiste shows that Mary Coughlan replied that direct discussion with the airline and the DAA was needed to progress the plans. In response, six months later Ryanair announced that 200 of the jobs were to go to Glasgow.

The airline has criticised Ms Coughlan and said the Tánaiste fobbed it off. But the Minister said every effort was made by her and IDA Ireland to secure the Ryanair investment and urged the airline to continue its dialogue with her.

In response, Ryanair has released a letter sent by chief executive Michael O'Leary which calls for a meeting with her to 'explain the one or two simple steps' which could be taken to secure the jobs. The airline claims a small part of Hangar 6 has been rented by Aer Lingus, but the DAA could move Aer Lingus to another empty hangar, making it available for sale to Ryanair.

A spokesperson for IDA Ireland said it did not discuss ongoing negotiations, but its offices were available to try to resolve the issue, and the IDA had been in regular contact with Ryanair and the Dublin Airport Authority.

O'Leary: Will you ask the DAA to pass the salt?
Coughlin: I won't, you'll have to ask them yourself.
DAA: C'mon Michael, you want the salt, all you've to do is ask for it.
O'Leary: Mary, will you tell the DAA to stop talking to me. And tell them to give me the salt otherwise I'll turn this table over!!
Coughlin: Stop being such a child
O'Leary: WWwwaaaaa!!

**Note that the salt/table inserts are a metaphor for the old SRT Hangar.

Pacing Mule · 15-02-2010 03:00PM

I couldn't give a f*ck who is not talking to who but at the end of the day if there is a legitimate chance of 500 jobs the Tanaiste should have and should now knock heads together and get it sorted. Am sick to death of political bullsh!t and what goes with it. Let's just get on with it FFS.

conorhal · 15-02-2010 03:01PM

connundrum wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/business/2010/0215/ryanair.html

O'Leary: Will you ask the DAA to pass the salt?
Coughlin: I won't, you'll have to ask them yourself.
DAA: C'mon Michael, you want the salt, all you've to do is ask for it.
O'Leary: Mary, will you tell the DAA to stop talking to me. And tell them to give me the salt otherwise I'll turn this table over!!
Coughlin: Stop being such a child
O'Leary: WWwwaaaaa!!

**Note that the salt/table inserts are a metaphor for the old SRT Hangar.

:pac::pac::pac:

I couldn't agree more, O' Leary is a dispicable creature that only seems to enjoy a deal if he can humiliate somebody in the process, truely he is the lowest example of how soulless capitalism can be.
He also seems to need a minister to kiss his ass every two minutes just to validate his own self worth and when everybody does not pay the close attention to his antics that he demands, then like the three year old with ADHD, he throws a wobbler! O'Leary in this case is effectively bordering on a demand for political interference on his behalf because he rather childishly 'won't play nicely with the DAA'. He's clearly never heard the word no and needs a good smack IMHO....

WindSock · 15-02-2010 03:10PM

Why should he be exempt from dealing with the DAA? Are any other airlines or does he feel he can wag the dog because he has the ability to create 200/300/500 more jobs.

Dravokivich · 15-02-2010 03:10PM

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

I couldn't give a f*ck who is not talking to who but at the end of the day if there is a legitimate chance of 500 jobs the Tanaiste should have and should now knock heads together and get it sorted. Am sick to death of political bullsh!t and what goes with it. Let's just get on with it FFS.

Why should she be doing it? End of the day this is between 2 independant companies, they should be dealing with themselves.

Pacing Mule · 15-02-2010 03:14PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

Why should she be doing it? End of the day this is between 2 independant companies, they should be dealing with themselves.

Because the economy is in the gutter, 2 parties if they were to sort out their differences could result in 500 jobs. I'd expect every public figure / politician with any influence to roll their sleeves up and get stuck in to sort it out. Doesn't take away at all from the fact that there is childish behaviour going on but we should be fighting for every job we can get / save no matter the circumstances. If the Tanaiste is in a position to intervene then she should.

Saadyst · 15-02-2010 03:14PM

Because it's 500 jobs.

Dravokivich · 15-02-2010 03:18PM

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

Because the economy is in the gutter, 2 parties if they were to sort out their differences could result in 500 jobs. I'd expect every public figure / politician with any influence to roll their sleeves up and get stuck in to sort it out. Doesn't take away at all from the fact that there is childish behaviour going on but we should be fighting for every job we can get / save no matter the circumstances. If the Tanaiste is in a position to intervene then she should.

Saadyst wrote: »

Because it's 500 jobs.

What good is 500 jobs if company A is not able to co-ordinate with company B?

Issue with the economy now is how various companys and the our industries are able to handle themselves to get back up, being spoonfed or having their hands held isn't going to fúcking help.

If any company feel the Government owe them for their own incompetance, good riddance to that company...

Pacing Mule · 15-02-2010 03:21PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

What good is 500 jobs if company A is not able to co-ordinate with company B?

Completely missing the point of the govt getting involved and knocking heads together. If that needs to be done on an ongoing basis so be it.

Dravokivich · 15-02-2010 03:24PM

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

Completely missing the point of the govt getting involved and knocking heads together. If that needs to be done on an ongoing basis so be it.

actually... what i'm saying is it shouldn't be the responsiblity of the Government...

Forest Master · 15-02-2010 03:26PM

I completely see O' Leary's point. He just wants to cut through the pointless bullsh*t & red tape that hinders & slows down positive change in this country.
If it wasn't for Ryanair, Aer Lingus would still be charging IR£150+ (equivalent) for a return flight to Heathrow - that's what I used to pay in the late 90's. Now I can pay €40 (inc. taxes) for a return to Gatwick.
All he does is try to cut through the sh*t. No idea why people have a problem with that - the Ryanair/O'Leary haters baffle me. Ryanair offer cheap flights which you can avail of or not - simple, no? And there are no "hidden" charges, contrary to idiotic & logic-defying claims. It really is simple: before I hit the "Purchase Now" button, I can see exactly how much I'm being charged. How is that "hidden"? People are stupid.

Morlar · 15-02-2010 03:26PM

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

I couldn't give a f*ck who is not talking to who but at the end of the day if there is a legitimate chance of 500 jobs the Tanaiste should have and should now knock heads together and get it sorted. Am sick to death of political bullsh!t and what goes with it. Let's just get on with it FFS.

If this was a foreign company looking to create 500 jobs in Ireland the IDA would be throwing millions upon millions at them, begging them to come here and then giving them tax breaks till the cows come home. As it's ryanair the leinster house shower basically said 'talk to the hand'. Un-****ing believable. Yes O'leary is a prima-donna but 500 jobs are the important part of this story.

Senna · 15-02-2010 03:28PM

Everyone know he's takes great pleasure in childish antics, but his record speaks for itself, if he wants Coughlan to wipe his arse for these jobs, then she should be handed the roll and told to get on all fours.
The now redundant staff from SRT have very little hope of new employment, if any minister can do anything for them, morals should take a back seat.

Run_to_da_hills · 15-02-2010 03:32PM

The state would sooner have 500 on the dole than to give into O'Learys terms & conditions.

Shayman · 15-02-2010 03:37PM

conorhal wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac:

I couldn't agree more, O' Leary is a dispicable creature that only seems to enjoy a deal if he can humiliate somebody in the process, truely he is the lowest example of how soulless capitalism can be.
He also seems to need a minister to kiss his ass every two minutes just to validate his own self worth and when everybody does not pay the close attention to his antics that he demands, then like the three year old with ADHD, he throws a wobbler! O'Leary in this case is effectively bordering on a demand for political interference on his behalf because he rather childishly 'won't play nicely with the DAA'. He's clearly never heard the word no and needs a good smack IMHO....

That's a bit unfair. Just 'cos he's not prepared to put up with the bull**** that the Govt quangos dole out doesn't make him the evil one. He made flying affordable for many people who prior to Ryanair wouldn't be able to.How many jobs have you created Conorhal?

Dravokivich wrote: »

Why should she be doing it? End of the day this is between 2 independant companies, they should be dealing with themselves.

Because she's the minister for enterprise and she's doing f**k all else! And they're not 2 independent companies. DAA is a state owned operation that does not have any business sense. You only have to spend a day at the airport to realise that.

Dravokivich wrote: »

actually... what i'm saying is it shouldn't be the responsiblity of the Government...

YES IT SHOULD! It doesn't matter who is creating the jobs a the moment. Ireland needs them and, sadly, if we have to go and beg for them then so be it. THE CELTIC TIGER IS DEAD!!!!

JimiTime · 15-02-2010 03:40PM

conorhal wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac:

I couldn't agree more, O' Leary is a dispicable creature that only seems to enjoy a deal if he can humiliate somebody in the process, truely he is the lowest example of how soulless capitalism can be.
He also seems to need a minister to kiss his ass every two minutes just to validate his own self worth and when everybody does not pay the close attention to his antics that he demands, then like the three year old with ADHD, he throws a wobbler! O'Leary in this case is effectively bordering on a demand for political interference on his behalf because he rather childishly 'won't play nicely with the DAA'. He's clearly never heard the word no and needs a good smack IMHO....

Or maybe he hates the way of politics, and enjoys exposing it and its people for the idiot bunch they are.

positron · 15-02-2010 03:40PM

Government, by definition, is to serve its people. Minister directly responsible for job creation, and especially helping people who lost jobs during the whole HR Technics fiasco, should have had some cope on when they see an good opportunity. They should have at least called a meeting with all the parties involved, instead of saying 'talk to DAA' or whatever.

If O'Leary wanted to make his bid 'more attractable' by declaring '500 jobs' as the carrot, that's his business skill, and that's not something you can hold against him, IMHO!

Forest Master · 15-02-2010 03:41PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

Why should she be doing it?

She's the Minister for Enter[prise. It's part of her job. She gets paid to do this.

this is between 2 independant companies

The DAA is government run.

Dravokivich · 15-02-2010 03:42PM

Shayman wrote: »

Because she's the minister for enterprise and she's doing f**k all else! And they're not 2 independent companies. DAA is a state owned operation that does not have any business sense. You only have to spend a day at the airport to realise that.

Which makes her the head of HR Ireland?

s'pose it's easy for Michael to blame someone else when he's so well known for being faultless...

Edit:

Forest Master wrote: »

The DAA is government run.

Fair enough, I was saying rather broadly, but even then, surely Relationship Management here isn't part of her remit...

As suggested by her telling Michael to speak with them...

KerranJast · 15-02-2010 03:47PM

There's very bad blood between the DAA and Ryanair. It was proven in court in the UK last year that the DAA coluded with Aer Lingus to prevent Ryanair being allowed lease a hangar at Dublin Airport. MOL is obviously sick of dealing with them and seems just to want a middleman like the IDA to deal with. Coughlan should be jumping through hoops to get this sorted tbf.

Saadyst · 15-02-2010 03:50PM

Yeah, it's not like the economy isn't number one priority right now, I'm sure there's better things for the minister to be doing... right?

Nate--IRL-- · 15-02-2010 03:53PM

I posted these in another thread, while not completely relevant, it does give some insight into one of the participants of this little charade. I think these say as much about Irish journalism as well as Mary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkkvU6LC3ZY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSw825ORu2Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCQ_x15g0hQ

Nate

Dravokivich · 15-02-2010 03:56PM

Saadyst wrote: »

Yeah, it's not like the economy isn't number one priority right now, I'm sure there's better things for the minister to be doing... right?

500 jobs an economy does not make, even more so when there's alot more then that currently unemployed.

There's a much bigger picture if you want to call the "Better for the Economy" card. MOL is just to full of his own sense of pride. He should try not shouting and slagging the shíte out of everyone for once...

Southsider1 · 15-02-2010 03:56PM

Saadyst wrote: »

Yeah, it's not like the economy isn't number one priority right now, I'm sure there's better things for the minister to be doing... right?

Why? What else is she doing? How many jobs has she been responsible for creating? Have you experience dealing with the Dept of Enterprise? I have. I was in the process of creating some (seven) jobs last year. Was told they couldn't help me. Not enough jobs, wrong type of industry, not in their remit..... Excuses excuses. So what's your experience of them?

connundrum · 15-02-2010 04:07PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

500 jobs an economy does not make, even more so when there's alot more then that currently unemployed.

There's a much bigger picture if you want to call the "Better for the Economy" card. MOL is just to full of his own sense of pride. He should try not shouting and slagging the shíte out of everyone for once...

500 is about 500 times better than 0.

MOL is proud, and he has a record which can back up his pride. Coughlan's record is less than impressive IMO.

If Ryanair are the only one's coming out about the ****e that they've to put up with re: the Govt or IDA, you can be sure that at least another 5 - 10 companies have faced the same slog - they simply wouldn't get the same media attention that MOL would though.

All state and semi-state bodies I've dealt with are very strict when it comes to their systems, despite how crap and counter productive their systems might be. They are strict, until it suits them to bend the rules i.e. collaborate with Aer Lingus to keep Ryanair out of a hangar last year.

stovelid · 15-02-2010 04:10PM

Sweet jesus, do I have to see that mongo's (or his company) name every time I log in to AH?

the_syco · 15-02-2010 04:11PM

“These jobs could be secured for Ireland and see SR Technics engineers re-employed if this Minister for Enterprise would simply direct the DAA monopoly to sell Hangar 6 to Ryanair at the same arm’s-length price they paid recently to buy the facility from SR Technics,” he said.

I wonder what would happen to the two companies who were already there, then?

conorhal · 15-02-2010 04:13PM

"That's a bit unfair. Just 'cos he's not prepared to put up with the bull**** that the Govt quangos dole out doesn't make him the evil one. He made flying affordable for many people who prior to Ryanair wouldn't be able to."

He doesn't put up with bull****, yet expects everybody else to swallow his? Why exactly is he entitled to have a minister trail after him, kissing his ass, for no better reason then the fact that he likes his ego stroked? I do not like to see a bully rewarded. He made flying with Ryanair affordable, had he not some other low cost carrier would have. He has alo consistantly driven the race to the bottom with an attitude that staff should be reduced to chattle and humanity and dignity are comodities with a price.

"How many jobs have you created Conorhal?"

I'm not in the McJob creation sector.

rugbyman · 15-02-2010 04:22PM

KerranJast wrote: »

There's very bad blood between the DAA and Ryanair. It was proven in court in the UK last year that the DAA coluded with Aer Lingus to prevent Ryanair being allowed lease a hangar at Dublin Airport. MOL is obviously sick of dealing with them and seems just to want a middleman like the IDA to deal with. Coughlan should be jumping through hoops to get this sorted tbf.

If this is true then that is the end of the story. why on earth should one of irelands most successful men deal with these people who tried to thwart him. i note the same tone in many posts about MOL, i bet a the price of a slap up meal that few of them are self employed.

regards rugbyman

syklops · 15-02-2010 04:22PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

There's a much bigger picture if you want to call the "Better for the Economy" card. MOL is just to full of his own sense of pride. He should try not shouting and slagging the shíte out of everyone for once...

He is also one of the only people with any money right now, and he is willing to use some of it to give out of work aircraft technicians a job. DAA and Mary Clouglan refuse to pass the salt(thanks OP). No wonder he is slagging them.

Southsider1 · 15-02-2010 04:23PM

conorhal wrote: »

"
"How many jobs have you created Conorhal?"

I'm not in the McJob creation sector.

That's nice for you. But there's plenty of people would be glad of a 'McJob' as you so smugly called it. I hope it all stays fine for you and I hope Ireland continues to have Entrepreneurs such as Ml O'Leary and even major employers like McDonalds.......

.. but Ryanair wants to give Ireland jobs!!

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