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Attacked on Doorstep

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  • #62
    jumpguy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,962 ✭✭✭jumpguy


    Motorbreath wrote: »
    Edit: We've decided not to ring the Gardaí because the sight of a patrol car, if the gang is still around, may only encourage them to pay us a second visit.
    Although I can understand your fearful mentality, tbh, you should've really called the Gardaí...immediately. If it happens again, or they do pay a second, sneaky visit (broken windows, eggs), call the Gardaí. Do not cower in fear and let them make your lives hell. Security is a basic human need.



    As for the clowns saying "should've beat the **** outta him", although it's easy feeling angry having read that, but in the same situation, outnumbered by a gang, trying to protect your family? You'd probably have shat all over your pants. Also, there's no elaboration that the father is exactly Arnold Schwarzenneger (sp) or the irate scumbag is either.


  • #63
    anonymous_joe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,255 ✭✭✭anonymous_joe


    TEMPLAR KNIGHT wrote: »
    you should have picked up the nearest object and bust his face in, i can assure you he wouldnt do it again

    And found out he was stronger, had him take it from you and knock the shít out of you?


  • #64
    Witcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,521 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    TEMPLAR KNIGHT wrote: »
    you should have picked up the nearest object and bust his face in, i can assure you he wouldnt do it again

    And neither would you:rolleyes:


  • #65
    Sharpshooter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,859 ✭✭✭✭Sharpshooter


    Dubs wrote: »
    I know what he did was probably the right thing, but its still what caused it. Honestly I think he should have let her answer first and only stepped in if he didnt listen.
    anonymous_joe wrote: »
    Realistically he did what pretty much anyone would do. T'was also in all likelihood the wrong thing to do. With people like this, there's usually f all you can do to avoid a confrontation, but actively stepping in will guarentee one.

    So are you both saying that he should have stood to one side while this thug was asking his 13 year old daughter for a smoke and then hitting her friend?


  • #66
    TEMPLAR KNIGHT
    Closed Accounts Posts: 961 ✭✭✭TEMPLAR KNIGHT


    anonymous_joe wrote: »
    And found out he was stronger, had him take it from you and knock the shít out of you?


    he was knocking the ****e out of them anyway until they ran inside so whats to lose? are the days gone when you cant defend yourself? you cant let scumbags like this get away with stuff like that. having said that i do know where he is coming from but i would have at least defended myself


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  • #67
    Witcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,521 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    TEMPLAR KNIGHT wrote: »
    he was knocking the ****e out of them anyway until they ran inside so whats to lose?

    Their life? Teeth? One of his gang could of had a knife and pulled it to avenge their buddy who just got his face broken, what are ya gonna do? Smash all (possibly) 10 of their faces in? There were children in the equation and they did what was best, get them inside away from trouble not have a fecking war on the drive in front of them.


  • #68
    Sharpshooter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,859 ✭✭✭✭Sharpshooter


    TEMPLAR KNIGHT wrote: »
    you should have picked up the nearest object and bust his face in, i can assure you he wouldnt do it again

    No, read the Charter regarding Advocating violence.
    TEMPLAR KNIGHT wrote: »
    he was knocking the ****e out of them anyway until they ran inside so whats to lose? are the days gone when you cant defend yourself? you cant let scumbags like this get away with stuff like that. having said that i do know where he is coming from but i would have at least defended myself

    He wasn't knocking the shit out of them.

    Please read the whole thread before posting.


  • #69
    Dubs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭Dubs


    Sharpshooter wrote: »
    So are you both saying that he should have stood to one side while this thug was asking his 13 year old daughter for a smoke and then hitting her friend?

    No, I'm not saying that at all. It was his stepping in that seems to have caused the chap hitting her friend. Obviously if he starts hitting them the dad should step in but i doubt he would have if the dad didnt.

    And personally I dont think theres anything wrong with someone asking someone else if they have a smoke. Where they live the 13 year olds probably smoke too so it was nothing out of the ordinary for them. People just think the worst when they see this happening.


  • #70
    karlog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭karlog


    It's stories like this that make me wonder why i don't own a firearm.


  • #71
    TEMPLAR KNIGHT
    Closed Accounts Posts: 961 ✭✭✭TEMPLAR KNIGHT


    Blay wrote: »
    Their life? Teeth? One of his gang could of had a knife and pulled it to avenge their buddy who just got his face broken, what are ya gonna do? Smash all (possibly) 10 of their faces in? There were children in the equation and they did what was best, get them inside away from trouble not have a fecking war on the drive in front of them.


    i forgot completely about the kids he did the right thing consider my previous statement revoked, got a bit of a rush of blood from reading this i hate scumbags and i hate to see them get away with stuff like this it sickens me tbh


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  • #72
    Witcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,521 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    TEMPLAR KNIGHT wrote: »
    i forgot completely about the kids he did the right thing consider my previous statement revoked, got a bit of a rush of blood from reading this i hate scumbags and i hate to see them get away with stuff like this it sickens me tbh

    Sickens everyone, except maybe other scum, they probably think its "rapih" to be beating up children and terrorising people.


  • #73
    TEMPLAR KNIGHT
    Closed Accounts Posts: 961 ✭✭✭TEMPLAR KNIGHT


    Sharpshooter wrote: »
    No, read the Charter regarding Advocating violence.



    He wasn't knocking the shit out of them.

    Please read the whole thread before posting.


    he hit the young girl numerous ammounts of times then hit the op and was lunging at his father ya he wasnt knocking the ****e out of them:rolleyes:


    as for advocating violence my apologies


  • #74
    Pdfile
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭Pdfile


    Motorbreath wrote: »
    I don't usually post on AH, but I'd like to see what Boardsies make of this one...


    Allow me to say my area (I won't specify exactly where) has always been very quite and more or less 'trouble' free.

    Basically the family and myself were getting of our car, returning home from a family occasion, about an hour ago.

    However, as we were approaching our front door, I noticed a large group of 'rough looking' young guys approaching from around the corner. At first I thought nothing of it, apart from it being an unusual sight for around where I live.

    I was standing at the doorway, happened to forgot my keys, while my parents were picking some things out of the boot. A little apprehensive, I watched as one guy emerges out from the gang, his face covered by a hood and a scarf. He asked my younger sister (13yrs), who was chatting with her friend at the end of the driveway, for a smoke. My parents quickly chimed in politely to say she didn't smoke.

    Unfortunately, this guy was having none of it. Replying assertively to the tone of "I didn't ask you", he asks my sister and her friend again. Cue my Dad stepping in to say "Listen, she's my daughter. She's only 13. She doesn't smoke".

    All of a sudden the guy decides to start punching my sister's 12 year old friend in the head. All of us in complete shock of the unexplainable escalation of the situation, my Dad approaches the guy to try and get him to stop (non violently). Next thing you know he starts swinging punches at my Dad, while shouting "I'll f**king kill everyone in this garden".

    My Dad decides it's best to quickly get us all inside to avoid the situation getting any worse. But the guy follows my Dad to our doorway, where he proceeds to lunge in at all of us, hitting me in the face.

    Thankfully, at this point one of his 'buddies' steps in and takes him away while we slip inside... to the sound of much abuse.


    Suffice to say we are all shaken and a bit frightened.

    None of us knew this guy, or any of his 'gang' for that matter. Furthermore, he wasn't egged on in any way.

    We suspected, judging by his attitude and completely random act of violence, that he was on some kind of drug.

    I suppose now we're glad that his gang didn't join in the violence or try to break down our door afterward. Of course, this sort of thing shouldn't happen - especially on the doorstep of your own home.


    Unfortunately it did... and now tomorrow I'm going to have the shiner to show for it.


    Has any boardie ever had a similar experience?
    Or is this kind of occurrence completely isolated?



    Edit: We've decided not to ring the Gardaí because the sight of a patrol car, if the gang is still around, may only encourage them to pay us a second visit    .


    lucky they didn't continue that Assault...


    Poor people - never stand their and take it... Always hit back... you'd be surprised how weak the hardy'est lookin fella's are.*


    *STRICTLY in self defense only, if your hit first then by all means, you've upto 3 hits back - make them count.


  • #75
    epgc3fyqirnbsx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,228 ✭✭✭epgc3fyqirnbsx


    karlog wrote: »
    It's stories like this that make me wonder why i don't own a firearm.

    Well it's just as well that you dont own a firearm or you would find yourself locked up pretty quick

    Self defence is a good thing and protected but it needs to be proportionate.

    If someone swings for you it doesn't give you the right to shoot them in the face.
    Thats not justice by any means, even Sharia law wouln't condone that...


  • #76
    Sharpshooter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,859 ✭✭✭✭Sharpshooter


    TEMPLAR KNIGHT wrote: »
    he hit the young girl numerous ammounts of times then hit the op and was lunging at his father ya he wasnt knocking the ****e out of them:rolleyes:


    as for advocating violence my apologies

    My apologies then, I was focusing on the young child being hit.


  • #77
    jumpguy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,962 ✭✭✭jumpguy


    Sharpshooter wrote: »
    So are you both saying that he should have stood to one side while this thug was asking his 13 year old daughter for a smoke and then hitting her friend?
    Sharpshooter wrote: »
    No, read the Charter regarding Advocating violence.
    Contradiction much? :-/


  • #78
    JimiTime
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,418 ✭✭✭JimiTime


    Nevore wrote: »
    Brilliant plan. Once you cower and tug the forelock every time you see them from now on, you should all be perfectly safe. :mad:

    Seriously, call the guards.

    Why? So the guards can come and say 'Don't do that again', thus making these scummers more ballsy?

    I happen to agree with calling the Guards, but there are certainly things to consider when calling them. Its all well and good if you have a close knit neighbourhood who stand up for each other, but I don't see it much anymore. In such circumstance, its not a mockable offence to let the incident go as an isolated event. If they came back though, as in you become a target, then you've nothing to loose by calling the Guards. Personally, I wish neighbours stood up for their neighbourhoods. What is it they say, 'Evil prospers when good people do nothing?'. If these thugs knew that if they 'misbehaved' in the area that every adult within 5 blocks would be out to them, they'd be alot more reluctant be be the scum they are in the area.

    I grew up in Ballyfermot, and I remember when I was a kid, a goup of dads blockading an area due to a known drug dealer moving into a house. They had a 24 hour watch going so that they couldn't move in. All kinds of threats were issued by the dealers 'associates', and the Garda came down to move the blockade etc. The community won in the end though, and the drug dealer probably set up somewhere he wasn't known, or where the community were not close enough to be rallied in such a manner.

    The justice system is a lame duck when it comes to local crime (Anti-Social behaviour my @rse. Just a watery way of excusing criminal activity). When you witness 12 year old boys threatening to 'box the head off' local shopkeepers, and chuckin bricks etc on a regular basis. Also been brought back to their parents by Guards on a fairly regular basis, you realise that some forms of security must be taken on personally, and IMO, the best thing to do is try to have a close knit community.

    Sorry to hear about this OP, its the kind of cr@p that boils my blood and invokes all kinds of violent thoughts, but I believe you did the right thing on this occasion. If they came back though, you would HAVE to take action, be it the Gardaí or whatever.


  • #79
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Motorbreath wrote: »

    Edit: We've decided not to ring the Gardaí because the sight of a patrol car, if the gang is still around, may only encourage them to pay us a second visit    .

    So you didn't call the Guards and the possibility exists that the thugs terrorized another family down the road and even committed more heinous crimes. If the Guards were called, then:
    1. The crime would have been reported.
    2. It could have stopped a potential crime spree by this gang.


  • #80
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    jd007 wrote: »
    God only knows what kind of alcohol it was so. If he was that out of his mind with alcohol I doubt he'd be able to stand up straight (speaking from personal experience;) ). There are a lot more common drugs out there that are worse than alcohol.
    Cocaine mixed with alcohol... that's about it. 70-year-olds might say in relation to violent thugs "they were as high as kites" but they're not actually correct.


  • #81
    Sharpshooter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,859 ✭✭✭✭Sharpshooter


    Sharpshooter wrote: »
    So are you both saying that he should have stood to one side while this thug was asking his 13 year old daughter for a smoke and then hitting her friend?
    jumpguy wrote: »
    Contradiction much? :-/

    If you take it in the context it was meant, I was saying he was right to get them all inside, didn't the OP say her Father acted non violently?


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  • #82
    SV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,533 ✭✭✭SV


    Am I the only one amused/annoyed by the amount of people here who really wouldn't stand up and fight for fear of being hurt?

    It's a sad state of fear ye're living in. Stand up for yerselves and this kind of **** would never happen.


  • #83
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Not if the person you're standing up to has a weapon. It's too much of a risk.


  • #84
    GLaDOS
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,257 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    Dudess wrote: »
    Not if the person you're standing up to has a weapon. It's too much of a risk.
    And backed they're up with 10-15 lads and your children are present...

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • #85
    epgc3fyqirnbsx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,228 ✭✭✭epgc3fyqirnbsx


    SV wrote: »
    Am I the only one amused/annoyed by the amount of people here who really wouldn't stand up and fight for fear of being hurt?

    It's a sad state of fear ye're living in. Stand up for yerselves and this kind of **** would never happen.

    This is very true

    'The bully is always a coward' rings true

    These little assholes only make shapes to look hard, square up and give them any bit of retaliation at all and they will back off for fear of being made look stupid (when you're like these lads, all you have is your image)

    Remember we're only highly evolved animals, you're on your ground and you're gonna defend it, they'll back off like you were a jack russell chasing and alsatian down the street


  • #86
    jd007
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭jd007


    SV wrote: »
    Am I the only one amused/annoyed by the amount of people here who really wouldn't stand up and fight for fear of being hurt?

    It's a sad state of fear ye're living in. Stand up for yerselves and this kind of **** would never happen.

    So I suppose you would have taken them all on by yourself then?


  • #87
    Witcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,521 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    Amber Salmon Ketchup wrote: »
    they'll back off like you were a jack russell chasing and alsatian down the street

    Or....they could follow up on their hardman image and stab you on your drive in front of your children and your wife, then we'd be reading a thread on AH --"Father killed in front of wife and children" and someone would say "well I'm not suprised, he should have walked away":rolleyes:

    Admittedly, some of them would probably run away but do you want to be the one to test them and possibly leave your children without a father?


  • #88
    SV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,533 ✭✭✭SV


    jd007 wrote: »
    So I suppose you would have taken them all on by yourself then?

    I'm pretty confident of what i'm capable of. I'm also pretty confident of the fact that when the biggest and loudest goes down they tend to **** themselves.


  • #89
    epgc3fyqirnbsx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,228 ✭✭✭epgc3fyqirnbsx


    Blay wrote: »
    Or....they could follow up on their hardman image and stab you on your drive in front of your children and your wife, then we'd be reading a thread on AH --"Father killed in front of wife and children" and someone would say "well I'm not suprised, he should have walked away":rolleyes:

    Every situtation is different, if there was toddlers or babies involved then yes, lock up and go to bed

    But if its fit young adults and someone is trying to act hard, tell him in no uncertain terms that you're not gonna be intimidated by a little pr1ck like him and bruise the little **** ego


  • #90
    jd007
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭jd007


    SV wrote: »
    I'm pretty confident of what i'm capable of. I'm also pretty confident of the fact that when the biggest and loudest goes down they tend to **** themselves.

    You'd take that risk? Your confident that you'd be able to take on 3/4 lads possibly armed? If you are then fair play.


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  • #91
    Witcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,521 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    Amber Salmon Ketchup wrote: »
    But if its fit young adults and someone is trying to act hard, tell him in no uncertain terms that you're not gonna be intimidated by a little pr1ck like him and bruise the little **** ego

    Indeed every situation is different, but someone on here saying "I'd bust their face in" isn't taking into account the variables (children, numbers, weapons, drugs taken etc) and acting the hardman behind a keyboard isn't the same as having a shock attack and being unprepared like the OP and having to go to work with a gang of scum on your driveway.

    This isnt directed at you but just generally against the "I'd batter their face there and then even if they were armed crew"


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