Attacked on Doorstep

Motorbreath

I don't usually post on AH, but I'd like to see what Boardsies make of this one...


Allow me to say my area (I won't specify exactly where) has always been very quite and more or less 'trouble' free.

Basically the family and myself were getting of our car, returning home from a family occasion, about an hour ago.

However, as we were approaching our front door, I noticed a large group of 'rough looking' young guys approaching from around the corner. At first I thought nothing of it, apart from it being an unusual sight for around where I live.

I was standing at the doorway, happened to forgot my keys, while my parents were picking some things out of the boot. A little apprehensive, I watched as one guy emerges out from the gang, his face covered by a hood and a scarf. He asked my younger sister (13yrs), who was chatting with her friend at the end of the driveway, for a smoke. My parents quickly chimed in politely to say she didn't smoke.

Unfortunately, this guy was having none of it. Replying assertively to the tone of "I didn't ask you", he asks my sister and her friend again. Cue my Dad stepping in to say "Listen, she's my daughter. She's only 13. She doesn't smoke".

All of a sudden the guy decides to start punching my sister's 12 year old friend in the head. All of us in complete shock of the unexplainable escalation of the situation, my Dad approaches the guy to try and get him to stop (non violently). Next thing you know he starts swinging punches at my Dad, while shouting "I'll f**king kill everyone in this garden".

My Dad decides it's best to quickly get us all inside to avoid the situation getting any worse. But the guy follows my Dad to our doorway, where he proceeds to lunge in at all of us, hitting me in the face.

Thankfully, at this point one of his 'buddies' steps in and takes him away while we slip inside... to the sound of much abuse.


Suffice to say we are all shaken and a bit frightened.

None of us knew this guy, or any of his 'gang' for that matter. Furthermore, he wasn't egged on in any way.

We suspected, judging by his attitude and completely random act of violence, that he was on some kind of drug.

I suppose now we're glad that his gang didn't join in the violence or try to break down our door afterward. Of course, this sort of thing shouldn't happen - especially on the doorstep of your own home.


Unfortunately it did... and now tomorrow I'm going to have the shiner to show for it.


Has any boardie ever had a similar experience?
Or is this kind of occurrence completely isolated?



Edit: We've decided not to ring the Gardaí because the sight of a patrol car, if the gang is still around, may only encourage them to pay us a second visit.

dorky dave

Probably isolated cant say it has happened to me but can understand the shock, do you live in a rough neigbourhood??

M cebee

shouldn't happen but not all people are civilized

remember 'hill street blues'

'let's be careful out there'

brummytom

There really are some nutters out there, unfortunately. I don't know what it is that causes it, but there seems to be a small minority of thugs with no respect for anyone else. It's a horrible fact, but it's true. Never had anything that bad happen, been stopped a few times (the scariest was a group of 20-odd lads in hoods, faces covered with scarves; going through my pockets when I was out in town with 3 mates).


Glad to hear none of you were too badly hurt though.

Motorbreath

dorky dave wrote: »

Probably isolated cant say it has happened to me but can understand the shock, do you live in a rough neigbourhood??

I don't live in what is considered by any means a rough neighborhood.
Which makes the shock of it all the more potent. It all happened so fast that I was completely taken off guard and it's only really setting in now.

Ginny

Jesus, I'm assumng you've called the Garda?

My name is URL

I'd call the Gardai tbh.. he was probably of his face on something, so don't worry about a return visit

Though it's better to report stuff like that, especially after him hitting a child

Midnight_EG

OP, better off saying where you are just so people can be a bit wary of them if they show again, or else they might even have some sort of information as to who it was!

Coriolanus

Motorbreath wrote: »

Edit: We've decided not to ring the Gardaí because the sight of a parole car, if the gang is still around, may only encourage them to pay us a second visit.

Brilliant plan. Once you cower and tug the forelock every time you see them from now on, you should all be perfectly safe. :mad:

Seriously, call the guards.

M cebee

you did well not to make the situation worse at your doorstep as these scumbags would be liable to return

and the guards can't protect you 24/7

caseyann

Wow sorry to hear about what happened hope you are all ok now.
I Hope you rang police and didnt let that go.That scumbag needs sorting out :mad: God people like that make me so :mad:

bronte

Please report what happened. Scum like that need to be watched.

Leftyflip

I'd have kicked the sh*t out of the ****er!

Midnight_EG

Leftyflip wrote: »

I'd have kicked the sh*t out of the ****er!

The thought of a gang hopping in should have changed that opinion :rolleyes:

3hn2givr7mx1sc

Leftyflip wrote: »

I'd have kicked the sh*t out of the ****er!

Sure aren't you brave.:rolleyes:

caseyann

Motorbreath wrote: »

I don't usually post on AH, but I'd like to see what Boardsies make of this one...


Allow me to say my area (I won't specify exactly where) has always been very quite and more or less 'trouble' free.

Basically the family and myself were getting of our car, returning home from a family occasion, about an hour ago.

However, as we were approaching our front door, I noticed a large group of 'rough looking' young guys approaching from around the corner. At first I thought nothing of it, apart from it being an unusual sight for around where I live.

I was standing at the doorway, happened to forgot my keys, while my parents were picking some things out of the boot. A little apprehensive, I watched as one guy emerges out from the gang, his face covered by a hood and a scarf. He asked my younger sister (13yrs), who was chatting with her friend at the end of the driveway, for a smoke. My parents quickly chimed in politely to say she didn't smoke.

Unfortunately, this guy was having none of it. Replying assertively to the tone of "I didn't ask you", he asks my sister and her friend again. Cue my Dad stepping in to say "Listen, she's my daughter. She's only 13. She doesn't smoke".

All of a sudden the guy decides to start punching my sister's 12 year old friend in the head. All of us in complete shock of the unexplainable escalation of the situation, my Dad approaches the guy to try and get him to stop (non violently). Next thing you know he starts swinging punches at my Dad, while shouting "I'll f**king kill everyone in this garden".

My Dad decides it's best to quickly get us all inside to avoid the situation getting any worse. But the guy follows my Dad to our doorway, where he proceeds to lunge in at all of us, hitting me in the face.

Thankfully, at this point one of his 'buddies' steps in and takes him away while we slip inside... to the sound of much abuse.


Suffice to say we are all shaken and a bit frightened.

None of us knew this guy, or any of his 'gang' for that matter. Furthermore, he wasn't egged on in any way.

We suspected, judging by his attitude and completely random act of violence, that he was on some kind of drug.

I suppose now we're glad that his gang didn't join in the violence or try to break down our door afterward. Of course, this sort of thing shouldn't happen - especially on the doorstep of your own home.


Unfortunately it did... and now tomorrow I'm going to have the shiner to show for it.


Has any boardie ever have a similar experience?
Or is this kind of occurrence completely isolated?



Edit: We've decided not to ring the Gardaí because the sight of a parole car, if the gang is still around, may only encourage them to pay us a second visit.

And that is why they arent worried about what they do.
You cant live in fear of doing something.

Motorbreath

Apologies, I forgot to point out my sister's friend was a boy.
Not that it should make any difference that is.

M cebee

i think better not to ring guards if your own welfare is top priority

ytareh

Nevore -easy for you to say ...The guy seems to make perfect sense in NOT having a squad car pull up outside his house if this sort of thing is going to become an issue in his area.Number 1 rule in the 'code' of these ANIMALS is you never call the cops ...it would be interesting to know the area...Lucky , lucky family that the guys friends seemed more 'reasonable'...

caseyann

Motorbreath wrote: »

Apologies, I forgot to point out my sister's friend was a boy.
Not that it should make any difference that is.

No its makes no difference.
I know what a fear it can be but you should seriously report it at least and it doesn't have to be yous who called the garda as far as their concerned.What if they attack someone else who isn't so lucky to be outside their house.Garda do their rounds on patrol.That's assault how would his parents feel about their son been punched in face.

Buford T Justice

Leftyflip wrote: »

I'd have kicked the sh*t out of the ****er!

Well, it'd be better than a kick in the face*



Anyone else not believing this story?





*Seriously, come on, someone had to say it /gets coat

Motorbreath

Fingers McGee wrote: »

Well, it'd be better than a kick in the face*



Anyone else not believing this story?





*Seriously, come on, someone had to say it /gets coat

The complete unprovoked 'what the hell' nature of the story is exactly how it happened. I wouldn't bother concocting such a tale on a Saturday night. Believe me.

jesus_thats_gre

Keep a picture of the little ****er in your head so that you will recognise him if he is ever out of on his own.. Then beat the living **** out of him. I wouldn't normally agree with this sort of method but I suspect it is all that he would understand.

galwayrush

Bloody hell, report it to the Garda.:eek:

Scum and weirdos are everywhere these days. Sounds like he was on drugs. I'm sorry about what happened but I have to say, it doesn't surprise me at all.

Motorbreath

ytareh wrote: »

Nevore -easy for you to say ...The guy seems to make perfect sense in NOT having a squad car pull up outside his house if this sort of thing is going to become an issue in his area.Number 1 rule in the 'code' of these ANIMALS is you never call the cops ...it would be interesting to know the area...Lucky , lucky family that the guys friends seemed more 'reasonable'...

The folks had a debate about it and decided it was best, as much as I'd prefer the thought of police driving around outside tonight.

On a second thought, I'll be a little more specific in my area..
Clonee on the Dublin-Meath border.

If anyone is around about that vicinity tonight, just be a little extra vigilant.

Bajingo

We've decided not to ring the Gardaí because the sight of a patrol car, if the gang is still around, may only encourage them to pay us a second visit

So what's the point of them being there then?

And that is why they arent worried about what they do.
You cant live in fear of doing something.

Should have read ahead

dcmu

Hunt his mates down one by one, killing each of them in an increasingly elaborate and grotesque manner, until he alone is left, a quivering maddened wreck of sleepless nights and piss-soaked pants.
Leave him stew for a number of days, unfolding into weeks, until he learns to enjoy his life again. With that he'll begin, perhaps, to feel remorse for his wild days of delinquancy, and ... maybe, just maybe, he'll see the faint hope of a future, a future, not without loss or remorse, but a future nonetheless, in which he can atone, and perhaps even ... love ... again.


Then chop his head off in his sleep.

Coriolanus

ytareh wrote: »

Nevore -easy for you to say ...The guy seems to make perfect sense in NOT having a squad car pull up outside his house if this sort of thing is going to become an issue in his area.Number 1 rule in the 'code' of these ANIMALS is you never call the cops ...it would be interesting to know the area...Lucky , lucky family that the guys friends seemed more 'reasonable'...

And this is exactly how areas/estates/entire postal codes become over run by savages.
It starts off small, a bit of bullying, and then cuminates in Moyross, all because people don't want to kick up a fuss over the little things and by the time it gets to the stage where families are being burnt out, it's too late.
The only way this sort of thing is going "to become an issue in his area" is if the residents don't come down hard on it.

Edit: OP, your folks are trading off long term security for short term nervous peace of mind. Once the little savages realise they can get away with throwing the odd dig at others without any fear of repercussions, then they get emboldened.

Sheeps

His so called "gang" sound like a bunch of rational people who tried to pull him away from a situation caused by his irrational behavior. You should have kicked the shite out of him. Was your sisters friend a girl or a guy?

caseyann

Nevore wrote: »

And this is exactly how areas/estates/entire postal codes become over run by savages.
It starts off small, a bit of bullying, and then cuminates in Moyross, all because people don't want to kick up a fuss over the little things and by the time it gets to the stage where families are being burnt out, it's too late.
The only way this sort of thing is going "to become an issue in his area" is if the residents don't come down hard on it.

Edit: OP, your folks are trading off long term security for short term nervous peace of mind. Once the little savages realise they can get away with throwing the odd dig at others without any fear of repercussions, then they get emboldened.

Totally agree with you.They should at least report drunken people who are not known to area acting in drunk and disorderly if you cant get them to ring and report the incident.They might go for someone else who isnt so lucky.

Motorbreath

Sheeps wrote: »

His so called "gang" sound like rational people who tried to pull him away from a situation caused by his irrational behavior. You should have kicked the shite out of him. Was your sisters friend a girl or a guy?

He was a boy. Though, as I said above, that shouldn't make any difference.

The group this guy was with, thankfully, definitely were more rational in their behavior than this particular guy was.

Although in saying that, their rationality didn't go as far as to stop most of them joining in a choir of abuse at us as they walked off.

Bucklesman

Seriously Motorbreath, report it immediately. If it was a random drugged-out attack they probably won't be able to find your house for a reprisal.

Anyway, flashing blue lights is the signal to run and hide for most scumbags.

Nobody should have to put up with crap like this.

Closed ac

That sounds bloody awful.. hope you're all okay.

I'd also recommend ringing the Gardai, but you make a fair point OP about there being a second visit..

M cebee

Bucklesman wrote: »

Seriously Motorbreath, report it immediately. If it was a random drugged-out attack they probably won't be able to find your house for a reprisal.

Anyway, flashing blue lights is the signal to run and hide for most scumbags.

Nobody should have to put up with crap like this.

the taliban run and hide and then they come back again

now if you said watch death wish 1-4 and re-enact i'd be in favour of that

PK2008

Sorry to hear about this OP,

I understand you dont want to report it but think about it this way. This guy is off his head and randomly violent, one of your neighbors sons/mates whatever is walking home tonight and has the misfortune of bumping into these guys, a knife comes out and your neighbor/mate is dead before he hits the ground.

Might sound dramatic but if you read the papers you'll know this happens alot- you can help prevent something like this happening right now by picking up the phone and reporting this to the Gardai

argosy2006

Sounds like he knew that guy he punched and de girl,,,,,,,,,,,

ytareh

@Nevore again-Id be interested in your ideas of 'the residents coming down hard on them'...while there are perhaps some sucessful precedents like COCAD (Coallition of Communities Against Drugs?)in Dublin there are a lot more examples where those who stand up are either singled out by the thugs or end up in more trouble with the law than the 'bad guys'...
To be honest the idea of this kind of thing(anti social behaviour /break ins etc ) is terrifying ,it makes your life hell 24/7 .Id be so afraid of them 'coming back' that Id be worried what Id do in the situation...
Gardai can do nothing ,courts just let them off ,no places for them in prison etc anyway .Worst case scenario a few months in jail after a litany of convictions...Depressing!

DonkeyStyle \o/

Fingers McGee wrote: »

Anyone else not believing this story?

I can't believe anything like that would happen in Dublin either, it's not like we have a problem with roaming gangs of randomly violent scumbags.
Oh wait...

Coriolanus

ytareh wrote: »

@Nevore again-Id be interested in your ideas of 'the residents coming down hard on them'...while there are perhaps some sucessful precedents like COCAD (Coallition of Communities Against Drugs?)in Dublin there are a lot more examples where those who stand up are either singled out by the thugs or end up in more trouble with the law than the 'bad guys'...
To be honest the idea of this kind of thing(anti social behaviour /break ins etc ) is terrifying ,it makes your life hell 24/7 .Id be so afraid of them 'coming back' that Id be worried what Id do in the situation...
Gardai can do nothing ,courts just let them off ,no places for them in prison etc anyway .Worst case scenario a few months in jail after a litany of convictions...Depressing!

The ones who end up in trouble with the law are the idiots who think that kicking the **** out of a 12 year old for kicking a ball against a wall is an appropriate response.

Believe it or not the Gardai have limited rescources that have to be allocated according to need. However they're not the All Seeing Eye, if they don't know that there is a pervasive, low-level problem in an area, they can't even begin to disperse the elements of the community that are causing the problem.
That's why reporting even the minor things is important, because it gives the guards a better picture of what is going on in the estates, towns and villages of ireland.
While one 12 year old punched in the head by another 12 year old isn't enough to justify a taskforce of guards, targetted social welfare interventions and local government funding for amenities, a consistent pattern of reported offenses could very well be.

It's all been documented quite well in parts of Limerick. Communities at first did nothing, allowing a whole generation of children to grow up thinking this kind of thing was, if not right, then at the very least not really an issue.

Micamaca

I understand people saying "Call the Guards", it's a normal reaction. But what will our Guards do exactly? I have no confidence in them at all. Yes, one should be able to call the guards and feel protected. But if you call our guards, will you feel protected? I wouldn't.

And yes, where do they put all these people? No-where. There is no law and order here, we just haven't all copped on to it yet.

OP...I'm sorry that happened to you and your family. I wish I had some advice to offer, but I'm at a loss. I belong in the fearful side of society who wouldn't call the guards either in case of provoking further attack. It's one of the reasons why I would prefer to live somewhere else, where police do keep some form of law and order, and I don't mean speeding tickets. I hope you never see or hear from them again. But I suppose it would do no harm to drop down to your Guarda station, give a description and have it on record in case something else does happen. But go to them, don't be seen to have a Guarda car outside your house.

Sharpshooter

Motorbreath wrote: »

I don't usually post on AH, but I'd like to see what Boardsies make of this one...


Allow me to say my area (I won't specify exactly where) has always been very quite and more or less 'trouble' free.

Basically the family and myself were getting of our car, returning home from a family occasion, about an hour ago.

However, as we were approaching our front door, I noticed a large group of 'rough looking' young guys approaching from around the corner. At first I thought nothing of it, apart from it being an unusual sight for around where I live.

I was standing at the doorway, happened to forgot my keys, while my parents were picking some things out of the boot. A little apprehensive, I watched as one guy emerges out from the gang, his face covered by a hood and a scarf. He asked my younger sister (13yrs), who was chatting with her friend at the end of the driveway, for a smoke. My parents quickly chimed in politely to say she didn't smoke.

Unfortunately, this guy was having none of it. Replying assertively to the tone of "I didn't ask you", he asks my sister and her friend again. Cue my Dad stepping in to say "Listen, she's my daughter. She's only 13. She doesn't smoke".

All of a sudden the guy decides to start punching my sister's 12 year old friend in the head. All of us in complete shock of the unexplainable escalation of the situation, my Dad approaches the guy to try and get him to stop (non violently). Next thing you know he starts swinging punches at my Dad, while shouting "I'll f**king kill everyone in this garden".

My Dad decides it's best to quickly get us all inside to avoid the situation getting any worse. But the guy follows my Dad to our doorway, where he proceeds to lunge in at all of us, hitting me in the face.

Thankfully, at this point one of his 'buddies' steps in and takes him away while we slip inside... to the sound of much abuse.


Suffice to say we are all shaken and a bit frightened.

None of us knew this guy, or any of his 'gang' for that matter. Furthermore, he wasn't egged on in any way.

We suspected, judging by his attitude and completely random act of violence, that he was on some kind of drug.

I suppose now we're glad that his gang didn't join in the violence or try to break down our door afterward. Of course, this sort of thing shouldn't happen - especially on the doorstep of your own home.


Unfortunately it did... and now tomorrow I'm going to have the shiner to show for it.


Has any boardie ever had a similar experience?
Or is this kind of occurrence completely isolated?



Edit: We've decided not to ring the Gardaí because the sight of a patrol car, if the gang is still around, may only encourage them to pay us a second visit.

OP, lot's of neighbours ring the police when they see or hear something like what you just described.:)

While I can understand you not wanting to report it, the gang that was involved wouldn't know who called them.

You don't have to give your name, just ring and report, if you want to say you are someone living on the street, then do that.

I hope it's settled down now and you are all okay.

Borneo Fnctn

DonkeyStyle \o/ wrote: »

I can't believe anything like that would happen in Dublin either, it's not like we have a problem with roaming gangs of randomly violent scumbags.
Oh wait...

+1. All it takes is one nutcase. This crowd sound like they are just rotten to the core.

Bodhisopha

This is why i pack heat at all times.

ytareh

Sadly theres probably hundreds if not thousands like him(them?) round Dublin....People always go on about ' a small minority' of trouble makers ...these thugs can assemble in dozens (or more!).

Sharpshooter

Bodhisopha wrote: »

This is why i pack heat at all times.

You are adding nothing to the discussion, go away!

Do not post in this thread again.

Motorbreath

Despite the strong arguments put forward to ring the Gardaí, it's ultimately down to my parents and they've made up their minds.

I just hope that what happened tonight was an isolated occurrence.

When something like that happens literally so close to home, it makes you completely rethink your own concept of safety.

No matter I know I won't too keen walking around alone at night for sometime.

Thank you to those who read my post and for all the advice, well wishings and support.

I guess posting here was an attempt to rationalise the situation.
And, I'll admit, it has helped calm me down somewhat.

epgc3fyqirnbsx

His 'drug' was alcohol no doubt, it is the only common drug I know of that causes violence
And this little pr1ck was no doubt just trying to act the hard man, especially seeing as he covered his face and his friends pulled him away
I would imagine he lived pretty close by and was compensating for being a bit thick or being a small fella (small man syndrome)
Should have called the cops, obviously they are very busy on a saturday night and may not have had a squad car to speed over but as someone else has said, it would give them a picture about what is happening, and there may even have been a car in the area who could have come across them (which is probably the most common way little thugs like these get caught)
I'd nearly bet my life that it was some little wanker who drank too many cans of dutch gold and if he got caught his aul man would drive down to the station in his beamer to pick him up and roar abuse at him all the way home

This is the future legacy of sprawling estates outside the capital where the only way kids will pass their time is too act badass

Coriolanus

Motorbreath wrote: »

Despite the strong arguments put forward to ring the Gardaí, it's ultimately down to my parents and they've made up their minds.

Not really. You're an adult. It might be their house that you're living in, but that doesn't mean you're somehow morally obliged not to take actions that might make you feel safe, simply because they don't agree with your view.
At they very least, a call to the confidential line is in order. It won't herald the ERU or the Specials knocking down doors, but it will help the local Sergeant provide a better picture to his superiours about what he may want/need to do in the future.

jd007

Amber Salmon Ketchup wrote: »

His 'drug' was alcohol no doubt, it is the only common drug I know of that causes violence

God only knows what kind of alcohol it was so. If he was that out of his mind with alcohol I doubt he'd be able to stand up straight (speaking from personal experience;) ). There are a lot more common drugs out there that are worse than alcohol.

2manyconditions

Do you have one of those estate comittees that it could be brought up at. You wouldn't know, there may be more people in the same area that may have met this gang. And you may find out that its not as isolated as you thought.

A committee of people would also have a bigger voice with the local Gardaí to get a bit more presence out there and help deter these type of people from loitering around and causing trouble. I suppose you have to think of you and your 13 yr old sister safety who may be walking on her own.

Take care