Attacked on Doorstep

Motorbreath · 14-02-2010 01:22AM

Sheeps wrote: »

His so called "gang" sound like rational people who tried to pull him away from a situation caused by his irrational behavior. You should have kicked the shite out of him. Was your sisters friend a girl or a guy?

He was a boy. Though, as I said above, that shouldn't make any difference.

The group this guy was with, thankfully, definitely were more rational in their behavior than this particular guy was.

Although in saying that, their rationality didn't go as far as to stop most of them joining in a choir of abuse at us as they walked off.

Bucklesman · 14-02-2010 01:22AM

Seriously Motorbreath, report it immediately. If it was a random drugged-out attack they probably won't be able to find your house for a reprisal.

Anyway, flashing blue lights is the signal to run and hide for most scumbags.

Nobody should have to put up with crap like this.

Closed ac · 14-02-2010 01:23AM

That sounds bloody awful.. hope you're all okay.

I'd also recommend ringing the Gardai, but you make a fair point OP about there being a second visit..

M cebee · 14-02-2010 01:25AM

Bucklesman wrote: »

Seriously Motorbreath, report it immediately. If it was a random drugged-out attack they probably won't be able to find your house for a reprisal.

Anyway, flashing blue lights is the signal to run and hide for most scumbags.

Nobody should have to put up with crap like this.

the taliban run and hide and then they come back again

now if you said watch death wish 1-4 and re-enact i'd be in favour of that

PK2008 · 14-02-2010 01:28AM

Sorry to hear about this OP,

I understand you dont want to report it but think about it this way. This guy is off his head and randomly violent, one of your neighbors sons/mates whatever is walking home tonight and has the misfortune of bumping into these guys, a knife comes out and your neighbor/mate is dead before he hits the ground.

Might sound dramatic but if you read the papers you'll know this happens alot- you can help prevent something like this happening right now by picking up the phone and reporting this to the Gardai

argosy2006 · 14-02-2010 01:28AM

Sounds like he knew that guy he punched and de girl,,,,,,,,,,,

ytareh · 14-02-2010 01:30AM

@Nevore again-Id be interested in your ideas of 'the residents coming down hard on them'...while there are perhaps some sucessful precedents like COCAD (Coallition of Communities Against Drugs?)in Dublin there are a lot more examples where those who stand up are either singled out by the thugs or end up in more trouble with the law than the 'bad guys'...
To be honest the idea of this kind of thing(anti social behaviour /break ins etc ) is terrifying ,it makes your life hell 24/7 .Id be so afraid of them 'coming back' that Id be worried what Id do in the situation...
Gardai can do nothing ,courts just let them off ,no places for them in prison etc anyway .Worst case scenario a few months in jail after a litany of convictions...Depressing!

DonkeyStyle \o/ · 14-02-2010 01:36AM

Fingers McGee wrote: »

Anyone else not believing this story?

I can't believe anything like that would happen in Dublin either, it's not like we have a problem with roaming gangs of randomly violent scumbags.
Oh wait...

Coriolanus · 14-02-2010 01:39AM

ytareh wrote: »

@Nevore again-Id be interested in your ideas of 'the residents coming down hard on them'...while there are perhaps some sucessful precedents like COCAD (Coallition of Communities Against Drugs?)in Dublin there are a lot more examples where those who stand up are either singled out by the thugs or end up in more trouble with the law than the 'bad guys'...
To be honest the idea of this kind of thing(anti social behaviour /break ins etc ) is terrifying ,it makes your life hell 24/7 .Id be so afraid of them 'coming back' that Id be worried what Id do in the situation...
Gardai can do nothing ,courts just let them off ,no places for them in prison etc anyway .Worst case scenario a few months in jail after a litany of convictions...Depressing!

The ones who end up in trouble with the law are the idiots who think that kicking the **** out of a 12 year old for kicking a ball against a wall is an appropriate response.

Believe it or not the Gardai have limited rescources that have to be allocated according to need. However they're not the All Seeing Eye, if they don't know that there is a pervasive, low-level problem in an area, they can't even begin to disperse the elements of the community that are causing the problem.
That's why reporting even the minor things is important, because it gives the guards a better picture of what is going on in the estates, towns and villages of ireland.
While one 12 year old punched in the head by another 12 year old isn't enough to justify a taskforce of guards, targetted social welfare interventions and local government funding for amenities, a consistent pattern of reported offenses could very well be.

It's all been documented quite well in parts of Limerick. Communities at first did nothing, allowing a whole generation of children to grow up thinking this kind of thing was, if not right, then at the very least not really an issue.

Micamaca · 14-02-2010 01:39AM

I understand people saying "Call the Guards", it's a normal reaction. But what will our Guards do exactly? I have no confidence in them at all. Yes, one should be able to call the guards and feel protected. But if you call our guards, will you feel protected? I wouldn't.

And yes, where do they put all these people? No-where. There is no law and order here, we just haven't all copped on to it yet.

OP...I'm sorry that happened to you and your family. I wish I had some advice to offer, but I'm at a loss. I belong in the fearful side of society who wouldn't call the guards either in case of provoking further attack. It's one of the reasons why I would prefer to live somewhere else, where police do keep some form of law and order, and I don't mean speeding tickets. I hope you never see or hear from them again. But I suppose it would do no harm to drop down to your Guarda station, give a description and have it on record in case something else does happen. But go to them, don't be seen to have a Guarda car outside your house.

Sharpshooter · 14-02-2010 01:40AM

Motorbreath wrote: »

I don't usually post on AH, but I'd like to see what Boardsies make of this one...

Allow me to say my area (I won't specify exactly where) has always been very quite and more or less 'trouble' free.

Basically the family and myself were getting of our car, returning home from a family occasion, about an hour ago.

However, as we were approaching our front door, I noticed a large group of 'rough looking' young guys approaching from around the corner. At first I thought nothing of it, apart from it being an unusual sight for around where I live.

I was standing at the doorway, happened to forgot my keys, while my parents were picking some things out of the boot. A little apprehensive, I watched as one guy emerges out from the gang, his face covered by a hood and a scarf. He asked my younger sister (13yrs), who was chatting with her friend at the end of the driveway, for a smoke. My parents quickly chimed in politely to say she didn't smoke.

Unfortunately, this guy was having none of it. Replying assertively to the tone of "I didn't ask you", he asks my sister and her friend again. Cue my Dad stepping in to say "Listen, she's my daughter. She's only 13. She doesn't smoke".

All of a sudden the guy decides to start punching my sister's 12 year old friend in the head. All of us in complete shock of the unexplainable escalation of the situation, my Dad approaches the guy to try and get him to stop (non violently). Next thing you know he starts swinging punches at my Dad, while shouting "I'll f**king kill everyone in this garden".

My Dad decides it's best to quickly get us all inside to avoid the situation getting any worse. But the guy follows my Dad to our doorway, where he proceeds to lunge in at all of us, hitting me in the face.

Thankfully, at this point one of his 'buddies' steps in and takes him away while we slip inside... to the sound of much abuse.

Suffice to say we are all shaken and a bit frightened.

None of us knew this guy, or any of his 'gang' for that matter. Furthermore, he wasn't egged on in any way.

We suspected, judging by his attitude and completely random act of violence, that he was on some kind of drug.

I suppose now we're glad that his gang didn't join in the violence or try to break down our door afterward. Of course, this sort of thing shouldn't happen - especially on the doorstep of your own home.

Unfortunately it did... and now tomorrow I'm going to have the shiner to show for it.

Has any boardie ever had a similar experience?
Or is this kind of occurrence completely isolated?

Edit: We've decided not to ring the Gardaí because the sight of a patrol car, if the gang is still around, may only encourage them to pay us a second visit.

OP, lot's of neighbours ring the police when they see or hear something like what you just described.:)

While I can understand you not wanting to report it, the gang that was involved wouldn't know who called them.

You don't have to give your name, just ring and report, if you want to say you are someone living on the street, then do that.

I hope it's settled down now and you are all okay.

Borneo Fnctn · 14-02-2010 01:40AM

DonkeyStyle \o/ wrote: »

I can't believe anything like that would happen in Dublin either, it's not like we have a problem with roaming gangs of randomly violent scumbags.
Oh wait...

+1. All it takes is one nutcase. This crowd sound like they are just rotten to the core.

Bodhisopha · 14-02-2010 01:43AM

This is why i pack heat at all times.

ytareh · 14-02-2010 01:46AM

Sadly theres probably hundreds if not thousands like him(them?) round Dublin....People always go on about ' a small minority' of trouble makers ...these thugs can assemble in dozens (or more!).

Sharpshooter · 14-02-2010 01:48AM

Bodhisopha wrote: »

This is why i pack heat at all times.

You are adding nothing to the discussion, go away!

Do not post in this thread again.

Motorbreath · 14-02-2010 01:58AM

Despite the strong arguments put forward to ring the Gardaí, it's ultimately down to my parents and they've made up their minds.

I just hope that what happened tonight was an isolated occurrence.

When something like that happens literally so close to home, it makes you completely rethink your own concept of safety.

No matter I know I won't too keen walking around alone at night for sometime.

Thank you to those who read my post and for all the advice, well wishings and support.

I guess posting here was an attempt to rationalise the situation.
And, I'll admit, it has helped calm me down somewhat.

epgc3fyqirnbsx · 14-02-2010 01:59AM

His 'drug' was alcohol no doubt, it is the only common drug I know of that causes violence
And this little pr1ck was no doubt just trying to act the hard man, especially seeing as he covered his face and his friends pulled him away
I would imagine he lived pretty close by and was compensating for being a bit thick or being a small fella (small man syndrome)
Should have called the cops, obviously they are very busy on a saturday night and may not have had a squad car to speed over but as someone else has said, it would give them a picture about what is happening, and there may even have been a car in the area who could have come across them (which is probably the most common way little thugs like these get caught)
I'd nearly bet my life that it was some little wanker who drank too many cans of dutch gold and if he got caught his aul man would drive down to the station in his beamer to pick him up and roar abuse at him all the way home

This is the future legacy of sprawling estates outside the capital where the only way kids will pass their time is too act badass

Coriolanus · 14-02-2010 02:06AM

Motorbreath wrote: »

Despite the strong arguments put forward to ring the Gardaí, it's ultimately down to my parents and they've made up their minds.

Not really. You're an adult. It might be their house that you're living in, but that doesn't mean you're somehow morally obliged not to take actions that might make you feel safe, simply because they don't agree with your view.
At they very least, a call to the confidential line is in order. It won't herald the ERU or the Specials knocking down doors, but it will help the local Sergeant provide a better picture to his superiours about what he may want/need to do in the future.

jd007 · 14-02-2010 02:08AM

Amber Salmon Ketchup wrote: »

His 'drug' was alcohol no doubt, it is the only common drug I know of that causes violence

God only knows what kind of alcohol it was so. If he was that out of his mind with alcohol I doubt he'd be able to stand up straight (speaking from personal experience;) ). There are a lot more common drugs out there that are worse than alcohol.

2manyconditions · 14-02-2010 02:08AM

Do you have one of those estate comittees that it could be brought up at. You wouldn't know, there may be more people in the same area that may have met this gang. And you may find out that its not as isolated as you thought.

A committee of people would also have a bigger voice with the local Gardaí to get a bit more presence out there and help deter these type of people from loitering around and causing trouble. I suppose you have to think of you and your 13 yr old sister safety who may be walking on her own.

Take care

kowloon · 14-02-2010 02:09AM

I love the keyboard ninja comments.

OP, sorry to hear about your misfortune; if it was as random and unprovoked as it sounds, I very much doubt they'll try it again.

Biggins · 14-02-2010 02:11AM

Firstly, I'm sorry to hear of your incident.
I agree with other here who have said for good reason (although I can see both sides) that the gardi in some fashion should be informed.

If that scumbag could do that level of thuggery to a child with witnesses around, what else is he capable of doing when there is none and he's left alone at any stage with a child and he loses his temper.
As a dad of four young kids, that thought just terrifies me.

Whatever ye decide to do, you have the sympathy of all good folk here I have no doubt.
All the best.

PK2008 · 14-02-2010 02:11AM

Motorbreath wrote: »

Despite the strong arguments put forward to ring the Gardaí, it's ultimately down to my parents and they've made up their minds.

I just hope that what happened tonight was an isolated occurrence.

When something like that happens literally so close to home, it makes you completely rethink your own concept of safety.

No matter I know I won't too keen walking around alone at night for sometime.

Thank you to those who read my post and for all the advice, well wishings and support.

I guess posting here was an attempt to rationalise the situation.
And, I'll admit, it has helped calm me down somewhat.

You'll be edgy for a while after this- quite natural, but dont let it affect you, it was a pretty random incident.

epgc3fyqirnbsx · 14-02-2010 02:13AM

jd007 wrote: »

God only knows what kind of alcohol it was so. If he was that out of his mind with alcohol I doubt he'd be able to stand up straight (speaking from personal experience;) ). There are a lot more common drugs out there that are worse than alcohol.

That make you violent??

PCP can, extremely rare outside inner city dublin, dublin meath border I'd bet my life no.
If he was on ecstacy, he'd probably want to shake hand with everyone for being sound.
Perhaps he had some coke, but I don't doubt that he had more drink than would be polite to drink

Dubs · 14-02-2010 02:23AM

Honestly, calling the gardai wont do anything. Theyre not going to find who it was and it will cause more hassle for yous.

It happens more often than you think, you just arent used to it living in one of the kinder parts of Dublin. The people who did it wont think back on it again so dont worry about them, and I doubt they were on drugs. They may have had a few cans but honestly the same thing probably would have happened if they were sober.

The thing you prob dont want to hear is that it was most likely your parents stepping in that caused it, though i doubt your sister would have known what to do. If they ask for smokes again just say "Nah, sorry, bud. Dont have any" and theyll move on. Just dont provoke them in any way by tell them to get lost / fcuk off. I know people will disagree with this as well but having always lived in these areas Iv found its the best way to go about it.

I wouldnt really think much off what happened. Obviously if this is the first time it has happened and your not used to it your bound to be a little shocked. What they were doing is basically a different culture that your not used to. Not saying what he did was right but its always been like that and its not going to change any time soon. Be thankful it didnt go further (though it rarely does) and his mates pulled him away.

The gals will love the black eye by the way :cool:

RealJohn · 14-02-2010 02:32AM

Nothing to add other than support for the people who are saying you should call the Gardaí.

Sharpshooter · 14-02-2010 02:36AM

Dubs wrote: »

The thing you prob dont want to hear is that it was most likely your parents stepping in that caused it, though i doubt your sister would have known what to do.

The sister was 13 for goodness sake!

Which is why the dad stepped in.

What would you have him do realistically?

Dubs · 14-02-2010 02:44AM

Sharpshooter wrote: »

The sister was 13 for goodness sake!

Which is why the dad stepped in.

What would you have him do realistically?

I know what he did was probably the right thing, but its still what caused it. Honestly I think he should have let her answer first and only stepped in if he didnt listen.

anonymous_joe · 14-02-2010 02:55AM

Sharpshooter wrote: »

The sister was 13 for goodness sake!

Which is why the dad stepped in.

What would you have him do realistically?

Realistically he did what pretty much anyone would do. T'was also in all likelihood the wrong thing to do. With people like this, there's usually f all you can do to avoid a confrontation, but actively stepping in will guarentee one.

TEMPLAR KNIGHT · 14-02-2010 02:57AM

you should have picked up the nearest object and bust his face in, i can assure you he wouldnt do it again

Attacked on Doorstep

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