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Some East Galway Schools Ghettoized

  • 11-02-2010 10:28PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 265 ✭✭DogmaticLefty


    From what I've seen on the RTE News, it appears racism is alive and well in East Galway.

    100% of students entering the school last September required language support.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭Danbo!


    [citation needed]


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    From what I've seen on the RTE News, it appears racism is alive and well in East Galway.

    100% of students entering the school last September required language support.

    How is that racist?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,769 ✭✭✭Midnight_EG


    Holy shit, a primary school needs to provide language support for kids that are between 3-5, assuming they entered in baby infants!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 265 ✭✭DogmaticLefty


    How is that racist?

    Maybe you're right. Perhaps there's another reason...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,413 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    That's what you get for not going to a catholic school....


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,228 ✭✭✭epgc3fyqirnbsx


    Kiera wrote: »
    211 posts in 4 days? Someones lonely....

    ah c'mon Kiera, maybe poor dude broke his legs...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,414 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    From what I've seen on the RTE News, it appears racism is alive and well in East Galway.

    100% of students entering the school last September required language support.

    Any link??

    Racism alive? No, illiteracy alive? Yes!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    Maybe you're right. Perhaps there's another reason...

    Educate together schools are run specifically to be religioulsy neutral as opposed to the majority of the primary school network. Considering that non national are largely non catholic it is reasonable to assume they would send their children to a school with such a policy. rather than having catholic teaching rammed down their neck as so many posters on this forum complain about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,243 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    walshb wrote: »
    Any link??

    Racism alive? No, illiteracy alive? Yes!

    His post looks OK to me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 265 ✭✭DogmaticLefty


    Educate together schools are run specifically to be religioulsy neutral as opposed to the majority of the primary school network. Considering that non national are largely non catholic it is reasonable to assume they would send their children to a school with such a policy. rather than having catholic teaching rammed down their neck as so many posters on this forum complain about.

    Oh right. Well that explains it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,414 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    His post looks OK to me.

    No link to the thread, also, his literacy is grand. I was referring to the 100 percent of students.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0211/schools.html
    The principals of multi-ethnic schools say 'ghettoisation' is taking root among newcomer communities in Ireland.
    They have warned of apathy and disengagement developing among the children of immigrants as a result of recent cuts in English language services in their schools.
    Five school principals appeared before told the Dáil's Joint Committee on Education this morning.
    The committee heard warnings that children were becoming frustrated and developing a dislike for school as a result of the cuts.

    The five school principals represent schools where up to 90% and more of pupils have immigrant parents.
    They called for a range of additional measures to be targeted at multi-ethnic schools.
    Top of their list and needed as a matter of urgency, they say, are more English language supports.
    They were also critical of enrolment policies, which they said were making it difficult for the children of immigrant parents to find a school place.
    However, out of 15 members of the committee just four attended fully to hear the principals speak. Fine Gael's Ulick Burke said he was embarrassed by the low attendance.

    Committee Chairman Paul Gogarty said the absence of Fianna Fáil TDs beggared belief.
    Of seven Fianna Fáil members just one, Cecilia Keaveney, attended briefly. Ms Keaveney then returned after attention had been drawn to the low attendance.
    Afterwards, one school principal told RTÉ News they were stunned by the low attendance.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 265 ✭✭DogmaticLefty


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    His post looks OK to me.

    He might be referring to the 'z' in 'ghettoized'. But if he/she keeps it up, they'll learn of to read the charter the hard way... :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 265 ✭✭DogmaticLefty


    Committee Chairman Paul Gogarty said the absence of Fianna Fáil TDs beggared belief.
    They were probably having a liquid lunch over in Buswell's.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,243 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    walshb wrote: »
    No link to the thread, also, his literacy is grand. I was referring to the 100 percent of students.

    Oh. And what percentage of students starting primary school last September would you expect to be literate?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,473 ✭✭✭✭Super-Rush


    He might be referring to the 'z' in 'ghettoized'. But if he/she keeps it up, they'll learn of to read the charter the hard way... :D

    Firefox spell check Americanis(z)es everything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,221 ✭✭✭BluesBerry


    Member of my family had the misfortune of attending one of these schools he got held back big time because the teacher spent most time on children who's english was not good there was a lot more incidents as well but to personal to put up here but we couldn't get him out quick enough

    between him and one other child they were they only Irish born children in the whole school granted it was only newly opened at the time but he had to be kept back a year when he was moved to another school for the amount he fell behind


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭Pittens


    We have this debate periodically.

    If a teacher's time is spent teaching English then native English speakers get less time. So they go elsewhere. so it goes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    Pittens wrote: »
    We have this debate periodically.

    If a teacher's time is spent teaching English then native English speakers get less time. So they go elsewhere. so it goes.

    So this raises the question, should every immigrant be required to be able to speak english before they are permitted to work here?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    From what I've seen on the RTE News, it appears racism is alive and well in East Galway.

    100% of students entering the school last September required language support.

    Is this another personal attack on non-Catholic schools?

    A few days back, you entereed a discussion in which you basically said that Catholic schools should be priortised and that the standard was better than in non-catholic schools.

    Now you're moaning about inequality in the education systems?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    So this raises the question, should every immigrant be required to be able to speak english before they are permitted to work here?

    Apart from the fact that English is supposedly only a "second language" in Ireland or that such measure would be a breach of EU law

    NO


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Apart from the fact that English is supposedly only a "second language" in Ireland or that such measure would be a breach of EU law

    NO

    Well then be able to speak English and or Irish for Non EU migrants?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭Pittens


    or that such measure would be a breach of EU law

    Which one?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ChocolateSauce


    Oh right. Well that explains it.

    Wait a sec, this wasn't the first thing that popped into your mind? You thought "Racism" instead of "Escaping Catholic Hegemony"?

    Bloody hell.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    So this raises the question, should every immigrant be required to be able to speak english before they are permitted to work here?

    They are the children of immigrants. Even the French give support to children of immigrants arriving in the school system.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 265 ✭✭DogmaticLefty


    Ikky Poo2 wrote: »
    Is this another personal attack on non-Catholic schools?
    Fail. I knew someone would have to bring Catholicism into the discussion. *Waits for someone to mention the Brits*
    Ikky Poo2 wrote: »
    A few days back, you entereed a discussion in which you basically said that Catholic schools should be priortised and that the standard was better than in non-catholic schools.
    E-.
    Ikky Poo2 wrote: »
    Now you're moaning about inequality in the education systems?
    Epic. Fail.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    Nodin wrote: »
    They are the children of immigrants. Even the French give support to children of immigrants arriving in the school system.

    If english is spoken in the home, the children will have far less problems integrating into Irish society


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    We better not be going down the road of you nit-picking every post in order to sidestep the arguments presented and then contradicting yourself later on.
    Fail. I knew someone would have to bring Catholicism into the discussion. *Waits for someone to mention the Brits*

    ... except I didn't bring catholicsm into it, I brought the other thread into it.
    E-.

    No attempt to argue the point. Unless there is another user called Dogmaticlefty...?
    Epic. Fail.

    No attmept to argue the point again. Or are you NOT moaning about inequality in the education system?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ChocolateSauce


    Fail. I knew someone would have to bring Catholicism into the discussion. *Waits for someone to mention the Brits*


    E-.


    Epic. Fail.

    Nice comeback there.


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  • Nodin wrote: »
    They are the children of immigrants. Even the French give support to children of immigrants arriving in the school system.

    Immigrants from where? I know a good few Irish/British/American/German people whose families moved to France and basically they had to learn French or GTFO. No special language support for them. My second cousins moved to Brittany when they were 5, 8 and 11 and they all spoke fluent French within three or four months. They simply had no choice. My family in the US have said that special ESL support and bilingual teaching is being dropped in their city. It was found to be much less effective than just dumping a child in an English speaking class and letting them pick it up. It sounds cruel but that's how you learn languages. You sink or swim. In most cases, teaching children English through their own language is just holding them back. ESL classes (offering English lessons taught in Chinese) were optional at my school and the kids who attended spoke worse English than those who opted to join the rest of us and hope for the best.


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