12 yr old being prosectued for murder as an adult

Dionysus · 10-02-2010 08:37PM

Everlee Noisy Azimuth wrote: »

But as for being named and being charged as an adult, this is something that can be seen in the US from time to time. Seems the more serious the crime or the more out-raged the public, the greater the chance of being tried as an adult.
... I don't think there's much justice in trying an obvious child as an adult just to satisfy the moorally outraged

Spot on. The state prosecution attorney is elected in the US, as are judges and so many others. This, and this alone, is the primary reason why such trials are politicised and children end up being charged as adult. This charge has nothing, nothing whatsoever, to do with justice. Mob rule or at least mob pressure is a much more accurate interpretation of why this charge is being made.

For those of you who are old enough to remember 2000 you may remember the case of 7-year-old Elian Gonzalez whose mother had died and whose father was back in Cuba waiting for him to come home from Florida. However, and this is the sickening part, the judges in Florida were elected and didn't want to alienate the massive Cuban lobby in Florida by sending the kid home to his father. So, they consistently rejected all attempts to return the child to his father. Ultimately, it was settled by force, as this infamous photo captures.

God save Ireland from that culture; it is akin to institutionalising the values of tabloid newspapers/the lynch mob in the Irish legal system.

caseyann · 10-02-2010 08:46PM

Not to judge on a child at such a young age.I would not like to think nor would anyone that he did it in calculated cold blooded circumstances.But it is possible he is possibly one of them who has no conscience.I believe he should be evaluated and tested for what they found in ted bundies etc..... profile.
Of how he was always going to take path which he took and showed it from early age.As we can see from them two kids in England recently who tortured to younger children plus the Jamie bulger murder that children how ever innocent we wish them to stay.Simply and factually there is those of younger age who are simply dangerous.
However much i would wish he was a case who could be saved if they find he did it without remorse.I would simply say lock him up and throw away key.

Colonel Sanders · 10-02-2010 09:01PM

"Thank God we live in a country so hysterical about crime that a ten year old boy can be tried as an adult" - Charles Montgomery Burns

we'llallhavetea_old · 10-02-2010 09:37PM

Everlee Noisy Azimuth wrote: »

yeah if he is a bad bastard then keep him locked away from society

I just don't see why when a crime is serious someone becomes an adult, there's a legal distinction between adults and children because it is thought that children haven't developed the relevant understanding of the seriousness of their acts

I used to pocket the odd bar of chocolate when I was 10, I would have hated to have been prosecuted as an adult because of it. And I knew it was wrong and my parents had taught me so

pocketing a chocolate bar is very different to shooting your pregnant step mother in the head!

epgc3fyqirnbsx · 10-02-2010 09:55PM

we'llallhavetea wrote: »

pocketing a chocolate bar is very different to shooting your pregnant step mother in the head!

might still have the same level of maturity though
I'm just saying try the child as a child

InTheTrees · 10-02-2010 10:22PM

Crazy.

A 12 year old isnt an adult. Is that so difficult to understand?

I believe the US is one of only three or four countries to also execute children (under 18's).

Riddle101 · 10-02-2010 10:48PM

I think the kid knew exactly what he was doing. 12 yr olds should have the mental capacity to know what is right and wrong. I mean we have kids carrying around guns now, involved with gangland criminals so it's not so hard for me to believe that the kid knew what he was doing. But like most people here i'd like to know if he did it for a reason, was the woman abusive? or did he do it because he wanted to.

allisbleak · 10-02-2010 11:48PM

Do you believe the Jamie Bolger murderers are upstanding young men today.

Jamies father has vowed to find them and kill them.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 11-02-2010 12:11AM

we'llallhavetea wrote: »

pocketing a chocolate bar is very different to shooting your pregnant step mother in the head!

In the eys of a child, the difference may not be so stark.

allisbleak wrote: »

Do you believe the Jamie Bolger murderers are upstanding young men today.

I have no idea what the are and NEITHER DO YOU. (At least if you do, I challenge you to provide proof.)

Tigger · 11-02-2010 12:15AM

who ever gave him the lisence should be in trouble too

Tigger · 11-02-2010 12:17AM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

In the eys of a child, the difference may not be so stark.

I have no idea what the are and NEITHER DO YOU. (At least if you do, I challenge you to provide proof.)

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allisbleak · 11-02-2010 12:23AM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

I have no idea what the are and NEITHER DO YOU. (At least if you do, I challenge you to provide proof.)

If I ever did I would be placing a call to jamies father

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 11-02-2010 12:57AM

allisbleak wrote: »

If I ever did I would be placing a call to jamies father

This doesn't qualify as 'proof'. It might even qualify as a crime (not saying you're wrong,).

Ever seen the TV movie "Boy A"? Should watch it.

Capt'n Midnight · 11-02-2010 01:29AM

PeakOutput wrote: »

what do people think about this? i have mixed feelings. clearly he is a child and i believe could be completely rehabilitated so

Jesuits didn't think so , reckoned that character was formed by the time you were seven years old.

Doc · 11-02-2010 01:43AM

Beruthiel wrote: »

How does an 11 year old get his hands on a gun?

Great parenting, something tells me his up bringing wasn't exactly top notch.

+1

If the kid did it then whoever left the gun accessible by a child should be prosecuted also.

The other thing I find outrageous is that despite the child pleading not guilty they publish his name! I mean what is the benefit to anyone of knowing his name? No good can come of that at all.

I’m glad I come from a country where it is so much more difficult to get you hands on guns.

m83 · 11-02-2010 01:45AM

I hope this kid rots in hell.

Dudess · 11-02-2010 02:50AM

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

"Thank God we live in a country so hysterical about crime that a ten year old boy can be tried as an adult" - Charles Montgomery Burns

I'm undecided on who looks more like him: Sven Goran Eriksson or John Gormley?

Riddle101 · 11-02-2010 02:57AM

Doc wrote: »

+1

If the kid did it then whoever left the gun accessible by a child should be prosecuted also.

The other thing I find outrageous is that despite the child pleading not guilty they publish his name! I mean what is the benefit to anyone of knowing his name? No good can come of that at all.

I’m glad I come from a country where it is so much more difficult to get you hands on guns.

If the kid was found guilty then the media can print his name. At least that's the way it is over here, where you can't actually print a person's name in the paper unless they are convicted criminals or if the person gives permission to use his/her name. Then again it's also illegal to print on children as well but seen as it is America where their media laws are different to ours they proberly won't get busted for that.

Doc · 11-02-2010 03:09AM

Riddle101 wrote: »

If the kid was found guilty then the media can print his name. At least that's the way it is over here, where you can't actually print a person's name in the paper unless they are convicted criminals or if the person gives permission to use his/her name. Then again it's also illegal to print on children as well but seen as it is America where their media laws are different to ours they proberly won't get busted for that.

Ok I just fully read the article and it seams likely that they where given permission to print his name as they are trying to bring attention to the case as they believe he should be tried in juvenile court.

And to the people saying he should burn in hell whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? You should all go out and get some pitchforks and torches and go burn some witches.

cynder · 11-02-2010 03:17PM

In ireland the age of criminal responsibility is 12 however a 10 and 11 year old can be done for murder, man slaughter, rape and aggravated sexual assult.

what about the boys who killed jamie bulger???

or the boy who killed his 2 year old brother because he turned of the playstation, he body slammed him over 20 times??????

12 year olds know right from wrong...

I believe in some cases the death sentence would be adequate. in other cases 30 years in prison or life meaning life.

some kids are just twisted, stick them in the mental....

Ticktactoe · 11-02-2010 03:44PM

grindelwald wrote: »

some kids are just twisted, stick them in the mental....

I dont agree with this.

I believe children learn from their role models and and heavily influenced by their environment.

cynder · 11-02-2010 06:42PM

i think some kids are twisted, icrime magazine about serial killers. most of these serial killers started of a young kids torturing animals and skinning them alive.

one of them drugged his male victims and slowly killed them in the garden shed and the last victim was found alive with a drill hole in his brain and acid had been poured into the hole he was drugged up to high heaven.

the guy who did it had been practising since he was about 8 first with birds and then cats and then moved onto dogs - yes that is twisted and yes he was a child when he started and yes he ended up killing a few males before he was caught, cant remember the age he was when he first killed a human but it was there from an early age. so i truly believe a child can be twisted/nuts/mentaly ill/ evil.

12 yr old being prosectued for murder as an adult

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