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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Malty_T wrote: »
    An independent researcher recently tested the assumption that a stronger level of religious faith meant a safe and peaceful society.
    That's Gregory Paul who's produced a couple of other papers over the years which have found the same thing, though at a lower confidence level.

    Interesting to see Ireland up near the USA in terms of general religiosity, while out in front for alcohol consumption.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    robindch wrote: »
    That's Gregory Paul who's produced a couple of other papers over the years which have found the same thing, though at a lower confidence level.

    Interesting to see Ireland up near the USA in terms of general religiosity, while out in front for alcohol consumption.

    Quick google of his name landed me at this. It's eight mins long so it will probably be sometime before I get to watch it.:(


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭iUseVi


    The world most accurate clock developed, accurate to within 1 second for 3.7 billion years:

    http://www.gizmag.com/worlds-most-precise-clock/14088/

    (not original source, I'm lazy)


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Here's an interview with one of the top techies in google. Not much of it is relevant to here, but the last para's interesting:
    Interview wrote:
    Interviewer: To wrap things up, can you give me an example of a preposterous lie that tells a great deal about life?

    Pete Norvig: How about ‘You have free will.’ Many philosophers and physicists would say that this is either a lie or at least that most lay people have a vastly oversimplified understanding of the concepts “you” and “free will.” And yet it is this illusion that allows us each to go on living our lives every day and doing good.

    .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭Coriolanus


    robindch wrote: »
    Here's an interview with one of the top techies in google. Not much of it is relevant to here, but the last para's interesting:
    Linky to the full thing?


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Nevore wrote: »
    Linky to the full thing?
    Here ya go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    A Beautiful Video on the Poles and Climate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭johnmacward


    Mugabe's nephew's wealth is given to him by God.

    Check out the video, especially the ending:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/8509149.stm


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭Pompey Magnus


    Mugabe's nephew's wealth is given to him by God.

    Check out the video, especially the ending:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/8509149.stm

    I saw some of that last night, its great the way religion helps them play mental gymnastics.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Bonobo apes share things voluntarily, just like humans do.
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100212125708.htm

    Ad that to the list of things no longer considered to be 'human' traits taht make us 'special'.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    I only found out today that there is a species of Megaloceros (commonly known as the giant Irish deer) named after A&A poster boy Richard Dawkins called Megaloceros dawkinsi.

    The more you know.

    457px-Megaloceros.jpg


  • Posts: 4,630 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I stumbled across this article earlier on today. It's definitely worth a read. It details the logical fallacies many Creationists use to promote their view, and gives ways to debunk their arguments.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭iUseVi


    Meteorite contains complex organic molecules

    http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/3313/extraterrestrial-organic-molecules-more-complex-earth

    EDIT: That was a bad source, sorry. This ones a bit better:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8516319.stm


  • Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭Mervyn Crawford




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Sonic boom becomes visible during the lofting of the Solar Dynamics Observatory last Thursday week:



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12 Quantum John




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Interesting fail.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,609 ✭✭✭Flamed Diving


    Funny how a scientist is charging €20 for a talk at a hotel.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12 Quantum John


    Funny how a scientist is charging €20 for a talk at a hotel.

    And that is funny because???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,609 ✭✭✭Flamed Diving


    This is the sort of thing that academics give talks at:

    http://www.irisheconomy.ie/DEW1/DEW1.html

    note the lack of hotels, book-signings and fees.

    Chaa-ching!


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Funny how a scientist is charging €20 for a talk at a hotel.
    I think he sounds like an interesting chap.

    If he turned himself into some form of Deist, then I'd hear him out. If it turns out he's claiming a bunch of the world's religions are right, I'd want my money back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,164 ✭✭✭cavedave


    The freakonomics blog is looking for examples of parents hwo have to pretend to be christian. The post is here
    I am interested in hearing similar stories from readers. I would not be surprised if political ideology is another vibe that gets faked once in a while.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12 Quantum John


    This is the beginning of a paradigm shift in science and this guy is at the forefront. I understand you are sceptical about it but this is the real deal and it should be a very informative night and day.

    He is saying that all religon is based on the same concept. That concept is a universe where consciousness is primary. Call it God or spirituality or whatever you like. It is based on what Einstein called "spooky action at a distance" and it is replacing the centuries outdated God that religon pushes on us. Come along you may be pleasently surprised!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    This is the beginning of a paradigm shift in science and this guy is at the forefront.

    No it's the not! It's the begining of a new era of more strawman sh1te. What he declares, or describes, as Quantum Physicis is no more closer to physics than a theory of gravity which allows a body with the mass of earth to be shaped like cube.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Come along you may be pleasently surprised!!
    I'll wait for the free TED talk, thanks. ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭liamw


    Malty_T wrote: »
    No it's the not! It's the begining of a new era of more strawman sh1te. What he declares, or describes, as Quantum Physicis is no more closer to physics than a theory of gravity which allows a body with the mass of earth to be shaped like cube.

    Sounds like a bunch of pseudoscientific nonsense alright.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_the_Bleep_Do_We_Know!%3F#Academic_reaction
    David Albert, a physicist who appears in the film, has accused the filmmakers of selectively editing his interview to make it appear that he endorses the film's thesis that quantum mechanics are linked with consciousness. He says he is "profoundly unsympathetic to attempts at linking quantum mechanics with consciousness."[18]


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,609 ✭✭✭Flamed Diving


    It is yet another example of the 'spiritual' attempting to stick a supernatural label onto any grey area of science.

    Doncha know that the seven spinning chakras are tiny black holes?

    FFS... go away!!!


  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,228 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    http://io9.com/5458304/research-shows-two-gay-parents-are-better-than-a-single-straight-one
    Research Shows Two Gay Parents Are Better Than A Single Straight One

    Anti-gay marriage activists have argued vigorously that children need a mother and father. Now a new research study shows that kids do need two parents — but that gender doesn't matter.

    The research, which also speaks to the issue of gay adoption, is summarized in the lead article of the new Journal of Marriage and Family. Scholars, at USC and New York University, looked at a range of existing studies, including research on gay and lesbian parents, finding that it's ideal if a child is raised by two parents who are "responsible, committed, stable," but that the gender doesn't cause radical differences.

    Sociologist Timothy Biblarz of the USC College of Letters, Arts and Sciences says in a release about the study:

    Significant policy decisions have been swayed by the misconception across party lines that children need both a mother and a father. Yet, there is almost no social science research to support this claim. One problem is that proponents of this view routinely ignore research on same-gender parents. The bottom line is that the science shows that children raised by two same-gender parents do as well on average as children raised by two different-gender parents. This is obviously inconsistent with the widespread claim that children must be raised by a mother and a father to do well.

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭liamw


    FFS... go away!!!

    :pac:

    But his name is Quantum John, he must know what he's talking about!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig



    This is so old now, and still it will never be accepted by certain folk.:(
    (For some truly depressing reading check Dave Quinn's "analysis" of research into these lines of inquiry. Ok, I'll grant him that some of them are biased, but the majority aren't and, then as to make his case for impartiality, he cites researchers who are quite obviously biased anyways. Just that they support his cause so no critical looks there. Oh world! How depressing you can be sometimes.)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12 Quantum John


    I think you will find that Dr Goswami is very highly thought of within his field. He is not the only one who is postulating a theory with consciousness as the ground of all being. The zero point field, the grand unified field theory, superstring theory and others all similar.

    Perhaps it is time that mainstream science started to give serious thought to including subjective experience and things like psi phenomena because Newtonion physics has served its purpose very well but it is time to move on.

    If Galileo had'nt moved the knowledge of his day to a new paradigm would we know what we know today?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭Agonist


    I think you will find that Dr Goswami is very highly thought of within his field. He is not the only one who is postulating a theory with consciousness as the ground of all being. The zero point field, the grand unified field theory, superstring theory and others all similar.

    Perhaps it is time that mainstream science started to give serious thought to including subjective experience and things like psi phenomena because Newtonion physics has served its purpose very well but it is time to move on.

    If Galileo had'nt moved the knowledge of his day to a new paradigm would we know what we know today?

    Have you considered starting an Interesting Stuff thread in the Paranormal forum?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    I think you will find that Dr Goswami is very highly thought of within his field. He is not the only one who is postulating a theory with consciousness as the ground of all being. The zero point field, the grand unified field theory, superstring theory and others all similar.

    Well string theory proves Homoeopathy so I got my money on that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12 Quantum John


    Malty_T wrote: »
    Well string theory proves Homoeopathy so I got my money on that.

    I don't know what you mean there, could you explain it to me please?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,609 ✭✭✭Flamed Diving


    Irish Atheists and Blasphemy law briefly mentioned by Dr. Darrel Ray



    Skip to around 2.50, its only a fleeting remark.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,314 ✭✭✭sink




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    sink wrote: »
    so we're actually (in general) smarter than religious types eh? who knew? :confused:
    :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    sink wrote: »

    Just thought I'd point out PZ Myer's response to this.

    http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/02/stop_patting_yourselves_on_the.php

    And then look at the source: Satoshi Kanazawa, the Fenimore Cooper of Sociobiology, the professional fantasist of Psychology Today. He's like the poster boy for the stupidity and groundlessnessof freakishly fact-free evolutionary psychology. Just ignore anything with Kanazawa's name on it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    so our claim to being smarter than the opposition else gets busted because the person making the claim is a tad stupid for someone supposedly so smart? damn, that sucks. :(

    it does seem like he's done quite a bit of shoddy work just to make the headlines.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,164 ✭✭✭cavedave


    The Monty Hall Problem. Pick one of three doors. There is a prize behind one. When you pick one of the wrong doors is opened. You get offered to change your pick. Do you change?




    If you said no a pigeon may be more rational than you are. ;)
    birds adjusted their probability of switching and staying to approximate the optimal strategy. Replication of the procedure with human participants showed that humans failed to adopt optimal strategies, even with extensive training.
    from here


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,609 ✭✭✭Flamed Diving


    It's because of, ironically, our "higher" evolved brains. Humans think in the abstract, whereas birds do not. So after a few shots the bird mindlessly adapts to the correct pattern and never fails, but while humans can be shown and may even adapt to the correct patterns, they still have the facility in their mind to reject the pattern, even if logic demands the opposite. I suppose a bird can never really choose a sub-optimal strategy as obvious as this. So while this may appear as humans being dumb, it beautifully displays or ability to choose whatever outcome we wish, no matter how illogical. Perhaps this, more than anything else, sets us apart from other animals.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,164 ✭✭✭cavedave


    Flamed Diving

    It's because of, ironically, our "higher" evolved brains

    That is my interpretation as well. I think it is ironic that we could be less rational because we are smarter though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,609 ✭✭✭Flamed Diving


    cavedave wrote: »
    That is my interpretation as well. I think it is ironic that we could be less rational because we are smarter though.

    There are always trade-offs with evolution.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    There are always trade-offs with evolution.
    only for those of us that believe in it. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,314 ✭✭✭sink




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    sink wrote: »
    Interesting indeed. Someone gave a good quote in the comments of a related NS article...

    Re indoctrination:
    Just because children are sponges doesn't give anyone the right to drown them.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Via /., come this story about a scientist who's trying to figure out whether microbes can live in places which are toxic to the kind of biology that occurs everywhere else on the planet. If such life does exist, it suggests the existence of two chains of evolution from very ancient times -- and perhaps two instances of abiogenesis -- rather than the one that's currently proposed.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/eureka/article7040864.ece


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Bonobos engage in "pure altruism":

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8548478.stm
    BBC wrote:
    One of our closest primate relatives, the bonobo, has been shown to voluntarily share food, scientists report.

    This sort of generous behaviour was previously thought by some to be an exclusively human trait. But a team has carried out an experiment that revealed that bonobos were more likely to choose to share their food than opt to dine alone. The research is published in the journal Current Biology. Dr Brian Hare from Duke University, US, and Suzy Kwetuenda from Lola y Bonobo, a centre for orphaned bonobos in the Democratic Republic of Congo, gave a hungry bonobo access to a room with some food in it.

    This room was adjacent to another two rooms, which the creature could easily see into. One of these rooms was empty while the other contained another bonobo. The hungry primate could then choose to eat the food alone or unlock the door by removing a wooden peg and share his fare with the other bonobo.

    Dr Hare wrote in Current Biology: "We found that the test subjects preferred to voluntarily open the recipient's door to allow them to share the highly desirable food that they could have easily eaten alone."

    They now hope to uncover why the bonobos seem to prefer to share their food. Dr Hare said it could be purely altruistic, or more selfish motives could drive this behaviour because sharing could be exchanged for future favours. The researchers hope this work could also shed light on what drives humans to voluntarily share.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,609 ✭✭✭Flamed Diving


    robindch wrote: »

    No, but, the Fall happened and... see... died on the cross... swords sticking out of the mouth (whoops, people are not meant to know that bit!)


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