Private workers arent prepared to take a pay cut either!

PoleStar · 07-02-2010 02:09PM

testicle wrote: »

Exactly who did Dell negotiate with?

They negotiated with staff to try to lower wages.

Staff said no.

Dell said, your choice, we're off!

phantom_lord · 07-02-2010 02:10PM

PoleStar wrote: »

Public pay has been cut, twice in the last year, where have you been?

A lot done, more to do imo.

dohda · 07-02-2010 02:21PM

Rosco1982 wrote: »

You were obviously overpaid and contributed significantly to the uncompetitiveness that developed in the economy. So well done for taking your medicine.

I'm not sure where you get off saying I was overpaid. I work damn hard for my money on a rotating shift of days, nights and weekend. Factory open 363 days a year. Wages went from 41000 to 29520 thats before tax and includes shift allowance.

So how hard do you work for your money? You have no right to make statements like that when you know nothing about me, my work or how much I get paid.

PoleStar · 07-02-2010 02:26PM

phantom_lord wrote: »

A lot done, more to do imo.

You are damn right! Only one in 5 private companies have cut salaries.

Perhaps more tax for the private sector then would be a fair way to spread the pain evenly!

THe point (which the thread is getting away from) is that the phoney public private debate is exactly that, phoney.

Whether you are public or private, everyone is feeling the pain, everyone thinks its the other sides fault.

We should all stick together and blame the real culprits, the government.

Odysseus · 07-02-2010 02:27PM

dohda wrote: »

I'm not sure where you get off saying I was overpaid. I work damn hard for my money on a rotating shift of days, nights and weekend. Factory open 363 days a year. Wages went from 41000 to 29520 thats before tax and includes shift allowance.

So how hard do you work for your money? You have no right to make statements like that when you know nothing about me, my work or how much I get paid.

Does the same not apply to public sector workers? People here just state they are paid too much, nobody knows my profession or qualifications, but as a public sector worker I am told I earn too much.

Edit:
The below is such an example, wide sweeping generalisations about the public sector. Many teams are down bodies, my own team is down by two and it looks like we will lose two more as the are on temp contracts. So we are not bloated.

phantom_lord · 07-02-2010 02:33PM

PoleStar wrote: »

You are damn right! Only one in 5 private companies have cut salaries.

Perhaps more tax for the private sector then would be a fair way to spread the pain evenly!

THe point (which the thread is getting away from) is that the phoney public private debate is exactly that, phoney.

Whether you are public or private, everyone is feeling the pain, everyone thinks its the other sides fault.

We should all stick together and blame the real culprits, the government.

w/e, the public service is bloated, overpaid, and has ridic inefficient working practices. and blaming the gov wont do any good, wage cuts across the board are necessary for any sort of recovery.

dohda · 07-02-2010 02:34PM

Odysseus wrote: »

Does the same not apply to public sector workers? People here just state they are paid too much, nobody know my profession or qualifications, but as a public sector worker I am told I earn too much.

Not by me. I do not think that your pay should be cut. A lot of my family work in the public sector and are finding it tough with the new pay cuts. My initial post was in response to the person that was going on about how no one in the private sector took pay cuts. Which is just as annoying to me as all the comments about how you earn too much are to you.

Odysseus · 07-02-2010 02:47PM

dohda wrote: »

Not by me. I do not think that your pay should be cut. A lot of my family work in the public sector and are finding it tough with the new pay cuts. My initial post was in response to the person that was going on about how no one in the private sector took pay cuts. Which is just as annoying to me as all the comments about how you earn too much are to you.

Fair enough, I know people who have and other who haven't. Ok your not engaging in those type of posts, but most of the posts here state the same type of comment that you felt was out of order. So whilst I used your post to make my point. My main point was that the people posting the wide generalisations are open to the same type of comment. They do not know peoples individual positions, the work they do etc, but feel they have the right to make sweeping generalisations.

Kristopherus · 07-02-2010 02:50PM

phantom_lord wrote: »

w/e, the public service is bloated, overpaid, and has ridic inefficient working practices. and blaming the gov wont do any good, wage cuts across the board are necessary for any sort of recovery.

Another wild, sweeping & inaccurate statement about the public service. :eek:

godtabh · 07-02-2010 03:02PM

picpress wrote: »

Ok Phill106 how much has your salary been cut? Or are you one of those who is happy for everyone else to take a cut except themselves!!

How much has yours been cut?

Mine has been cut by 46% and I earn less now than I did five years ago when I started. I'd happy take your pay cut and do your job.

Son Of A Vidic · 07-02-2010 03:10PM

I moved from the HSE to the private sector, in the process I took a 27% pay cut. You know what thought, just to be away from it, being my own boss and to be able to work efficiently and unhindered......made it priceless.

Odysseus · 07-02-2010 03:11PM

godtabh wrote: »

How much has yours been cut?

Mine has been cut by 46% and I earn less now than I did five years ago when I started. I'd happy take your pay cut and do your job.

One again the general response I have see give to public service workers when they speak about wages cuts is that they have chosen to work in their profession. Maybe the same should be applied to everybody across the board. You must been one of those people who are capable of doing everyone jobs, possessing the skills of every profession.

phantom_lord · 07-02-2010 03:14PM

Odysseus wrote: »

Does the same not apply to public sector workers? People here just state they are paid too much, nobody knows my profession or qualifications, but as a public sector worker I am told I earn too much.

Edit:
The below is such an example, wide sweeping generalisations about the public sector. Many teams are down bodies, my own team is down by two and it looks like we will lose two more as the are on temp contracts. So we are not bloated.

Of course it's a generalisation, I'm not talking about individuals, I'm not talking about your team, but I don't think you can dispute the validity of what I said.

LionelNashe · 07-02-2010 03:14PM

Odysseus wrote: »

Fair enough, I know people who have and other who haven't. Ok your not engaging in those type of posts, but most of the posts here state the same type of comment that you felt was out of order. So whilst I used your post to make my point. My main point was that the people posting the wide generalisations are open to the same type of comment. They do not know peoples individual positions, the work they do etc, but feel they have the right to make sweeping generalisations.

Kristopherus wrote: »

Another wild, sweeping & inaccurate statement about the public service. :eek:

Lets not tar all generalisations with the same brush. Some wide, sweeping generalisations are actually true, generally, in spite of specific counter-examples.

Odysseus · 07-02-2010 03:25PM

phantom_lord wrote: »

Of course it's a generalisation, I'm not talking about individuals, I'm not talking about your team, but I don't think you can dispute the validity of what I said.

So wide sweeping generalisations are to rule the day then, we wouldn't want little things like specifics to put all the nice rants about us lazy, money grabbing public sector workers.

phantom_lord · 07-02-2010 03:30PM

You can hardly discuss something of that nature without generalisations. It may not apply to you as an individual, but you can't dispute that it applies to the organisation in general.

dohda · 07-02-2010 03:33PM

Rosco1982 wrote: »

You were obviously overpaid and contributed significantly to the uncompetitiveness that developed in the economy. So well done for taking your medicine.

I fail to see how this comment in relation to my earlier post can be interpreted as a generalisation by the way.

LionelNashe · 07-02-2010 03:33PM

Odysseus wrote: »

So wide sweeping generalisations are to rule the day then, we wouldn't want little things like specifics to put all the nice rants about us lazy, money grabbing public sector workers.

Of course people can speak generally, if they want to speak about something that they believe is generally the case. Citing counter-examples of specific teams or departments, or specific jobs that are difficult, doesn't disprove the argument that there are huge inefficiencies in the public service.

testicle · 07-02-2010 03:45PM

PoleStar wrote: »

They negotiated with staff to try to lower wages.

Staff said no.

Dell said, your choice, we're off!

So they negotiated individually with 3000 odd staff?

LionelNashe · 07-02-2010 04:00PM

testicle wrote: »

So they negotiated individually with 3000 odd staff?

Don't answer, Polestar ! Its a trick question!!

PoleStar · 07-02-2010 06:54PM

testicle wrote: »

So they negotiated individually with 3000 odd staff?

Yes they did actually, they set up a "pay cut management team" who took 2 years to interview each staff member for 2 days with no sleep to try and figure it all out.....................

Make a stupid point and you will get a stupid reply.

phill106 · 07-02-2010 07:00PM

PoleStar wrote: »

Public pay has been cut, twice in the last year, where have you been?

i answered this already, where have you been?

phill106 wrote: »

Oh i know it was cut, thats why i said what do you think would happen if it isnt cut. Suppose that should have been hadn't been cut. Round 1 to grammar police!

PoleStar · 07-02-2010 07:02PM

phill106 wrote: »

i answered this already, where have you been?

Well what is your point "suppose if pay wasnt cut", but it was.

Suppose we werent in a recession. But we are.

Guell72 · 07-02-2010 07:54PM

PoleStar wrote: »

You are damn right! Only one in 5 private companies have cut salaries.

Perhaps more tax for the private sector then would be a fair way to spread the pain evenly!

THe point (which the thread is getting away from) is that the phoney public private debate is exactly that, phoney.

Whether you are public or private, everyone is feeling the pain, everyone thinks its the other sides fault.

We should all stick together and blame the real culprits, the government.

Even less than that. Even if a company did dish out pay cuts, most of the staff probably didnt take them. Most paycuts were dished out on those who would take them. Most companies had staff who just refused pay cuts, because they didnt play the employers game. Either they left or were made redundant or they stayed without a cut.
So 1 in 5 companies have cut only some of their employees salaries. My own company and my wifes company being just two examples.

Guell72 · 07-02-2010 07:57PM

godtabh wrote: »

How much has yours been cut?

Mine has been cut by 46% and I earn less now than I did five years ago when I started. I'd happy take your pay cut and do your job.

You cant just do other peoples jobs if you havent been trained for them or have experience in them. Well some you can, but they will be low paid jobs as anyone is able to apply for the job.

Guell72 · 07-02-2010 08:01PM

bnt wrote: »

Private sector pay has been stagnant for years, sometimes increasing below the rate of inflation i.e. a net decrease.

A bit of a sweeping generalization there dont you think. The only salaries that are stagnant are the salaries of those who are not good enough at their jobs to command an increase or move to somewhere which will pay more.

ilovelamp2000 · 07-02-2010 08:06PM

dohda wrote: »

I'm not sure where you get off saying I was overpaid. I work damn hard for my money on a rotating shift of days, nights and weekend. Factory open 363 days a year. Wages went from 41000 to 29520 thats before tax and includes shift allowance.

So how hard do you work for your money? You have no right to make statements like that when you know nothing about me, my work or how much I get paid.

I don't particularly care how hard you think you work for your money. The fact is you were earning more than what the market was willing to bear, i.e. you were overpaid.

veryangryman · 07-02-2010 08:12PM

Rosco1982 wrote: »

I don't particularly care how hard you think you work for your money. The fact is you were earning more than what the market was willing to bear, i.e. you were overpaid.

Your not "overpaid" if you are productive (ie value for your wage)

"The market" pays handsome salaries to productive people. One good employee earning 40K is better than 2 who fart about on 30k each

Minstrel27 · 07-02-2010 08:54PM

picpress wrote: »

The silence is deafening:rolleyes:

It sure is. Haven't seen you on this thread since you were put back in your box.

irishh_bob · 07-02-2010 08:59PM

Helix wrote: »

its the ones in the middle who need to be cut, there are more of them and an awful lot of them make an obscene amount of money purely because theyve been there so long

if the bottom rung of the civil service is cut, it literally wont be worth the effort of going to work for some people because theyll be better off on the ridiculously generous dole available to them

this means cutting nurses , teachers , guards and firemen , fine by me but the goverment know which occupations garner a whole lot of public sympathy and which ones dont , clerical officers are not seen as doing anything really worth while where as nurses hold a uniquely special place in most irish peoples hearts

Private workers arent prepared to take a pay cut either!

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