Mocks/Pres Discussion Thread

suitcasepink · 06-02-2010 12:06AM

The only course we've finished is our geography so Im in the same boat as yah. I kinda want to do them, so I know how Im doing grades wise but they are so much effort.. Non stop cramming the night before!

lizzie09 · 06-02-2010 12:08AM

My sons attend a fee paying school in Sth Dublin
Mocks are not part of the schools policy,
I have tried fighting this for years to no avail
It seems that parents are powerless in a situation like this
The Principal says mocks take up too much time and do not give
a true picture of the students abilities as the papers are often corrected
by students Personally we think its covering for bad teaching in some instances,,,other parents seem afraid to rock the boat!

It is my constant wish to at at least have a complete discussion with parents about this issue but principal still digs his heels in and wont budge

Best of luck to all of you out there,..................

lizzie09 · 06-02-2010 12:12AM

I meant my last post to refer to LC but as mocks are not done
at JC either I will leave my post where it is!

Luno · 06-02-2010 12:16AM

deise_girl wrote: »

The only course we've finished is our geography so Im in the same boat as yah. I kinda want to do them, so I know how Im doing grades wise but they are so much effort.. Non stop cramming the night before!

In a way it's better than school, not as long a day, I rally think we would be better off without!

lizzie09 wrote: »

My sons attend a fee paying school in Sth Dublin
Mocks are not part of the schools policy,
I have tried fighting this for years to no avail
It seems that parents are powerless in a situation like this
The Principal says mocks take up too much time and do not give
a true picture of the students abilities as the papers are often corrected
by students Personally we think its covering for bad teaching in some instances,,,other parents seem afraid to rock the boat!

It is my constant wish to at at least have a complete discussion with parents about this issue but principal still digs his heels in and wont budge

Best of luck to all of you out there,..................

Honestly, I don't think there is much to worry about, Christmas exams give an outline to where you are, talking to a teacher would even give you an idea of where your son is and what levels he should be doing.

After all, I know I'll get abuse for saying it but it's the JC.
Not saying no need to study but if you don't do aswell as you would have liked its not the end of the world.

spurious · 06-02-2010 11:44AM

lizzie09 wrote: »

My sons attend a fee paying school in Sth Dublin
Mocks are not part of the schools policy,
I have tried fighting this for years to no avail
It seems that parents are powerless in a situation like this
The Principal says mocks take up too much time and do not give
a true picture of the students abilities as the papers are often corrected
by students Personally we think its covering for bad teaching in some instances,,,other parents seem afraid to rock the boat!

It is my constant wish to at at least have a complete discussion with parents about this issue but principal still digs his heels in and wont budge

Best of luck to all of you out there,..................

I'd be with the Principal on that score. We're considering dropping the mocks next year in our school. Other than the timing issue (and that can be tackled in class as we have hour long classes) mocks serve no real purpose but to disrupt the school for a couple of weeks. They are certainly no indication of June results. Any decent teacher can predict within a small margin of error what a student in her class will get.

I often put a list of names and grades in an envelope at the end of second year for a 'David Copperfield' moment the day the results come out. The kids think I am in league with the devil.

bluejay14 · 06-02-2010 01:10PM

M&S* wrote: »

After all, I know I'll get abuse for saying it but it's the JC.
Not saying no need to study but if you don't do aswell as you would have liked its not the end of the world.

That's exactly what I keep telling everybody - It's not the end of the world if you don't get thye grade you want so don't worry about it, relax!!

padocon · 06-02-2010 02:47PM

I like the mocks! Its a real good practice of time management and hard thinking for a long period of time something we had not done before. I also like the mocks as someone other than the teacher corrects them. As far as I know in our school we do not have to do the mocks but it is strongly advised. And the mocks give a good indication to the student if they need to work harder or about the same ect.

bluejay14 · 06-02-2010 05:55PM

I think that they're a good idea and I don't mind having to do them but it's not going to be the end of the world if you don't do well.That's all I'm saying.

kingcobra · 06-02-2010 10:50PM

I'm afraid going to have to say that the mocks are a good idea:eek:...well an OK idea.
It gives you a picture of what you need to cover for the junior cert and how long you have study for before the junior cert.
On the other hand, it causes a lot of stress:rolleyes: and who likes seeing bad scores on tests???:D

paddykell · 07-02-2010 12:00AM

M&S* wrote: »

Dulce et de coreme sounds french? Strange to do it for english :pac:

Dulce et Decorum Est, I think it's Latin... "Dulce et Decorum Est pro patria mori" means something along the lines of "It is sweet and fitting to die for the fatherland..." Something like that anyway.

suitcasepink · 07-02-2010 12:05AM

paddykell wrote: »

Dulce et Decorum Est, I think it's Latin... "Dulce et Decorum Est pro patria mori" means something along the lines of "It is sweet and fitting to die for the fatherland..." Something like that anyway.

I think our teacher told us it was "It is sweet and honourable to die for ones country"
But *shrugs* she could be off the mark! :pac:

paddykell · 07-02-2010 12:07AM

deise_girl wrote: »

I think our teacher told us it was "It is sweet and honourable to die for ones country"
But *shrugs* she could be off the mark! :pac:

Your version sounds more likely actually

Jackobyte · 07-02-2010 12:24AM

paddykell wrote: »

Your version sounds more likely actually

No your right paddy. It means ?it is sweet and proper to die for the fatherland? but fatherland means the same as your country but fatherland is the direct translation. It is a quote from a poem written in latin by Horace, ancient greek dude, and is an example of irony when used in the title

bluejay14 · 07-02-2010 12:31AM

The translation we got was "how sweet and honourable it is to die for one's country" .It's pretty much the same thing.

padocon · 07-02-2010 12:32AM

bluejaymraz wrote: »

The translation we got was "how sweet and honourable it is to die for one's country" .It's pretty much the same thing.

As did we.

Mayoegian · 07-02-2010 12:39AM

Hi Guys!

Dulce et Decorum Est pro patria mori means:

'It is sweet and good to die for your country!'

We did it last year, and I did it in the Junior Cert. It's an excellent poem to choose for a question on imagery and sound, because there is so much audio imagery throughout the whole poem, and powerful verbs are used such as 'guttering, choking, drowning.' All of this adds to the effectiveness of the poem. Also, the dialogue in the poem brings it to life i.e. 'Gas! Gas! Quick boys!'

That's some of what I remember anyway! Poetry I think can be quite complicated because it really depends on your own interpretation of what's happening in the poem and the different poetic techniques. It's more prominent in the LC, moreso than the JC. We have a poem called 'The road not taken,' by Robert Frost, and our teacher thinks he's looking back on his life with a positive outlook, but most of the girls in my class, myself included, think he's reflecting with regret.

Anyway, Dulce Et Decorum Est is a really good poem to use! Also, for those worried about what poems to study for the Mocks, our class didn't do many, so most of us only studied 5 or 6. I did 'Mid term Break' and 'The Early Purges' by Séamus Heaney, 'Dulce et Decorum Est,' 'The Lake Isle of Inisfree,' 'The Listeners,' and 'First Day at School!'

Closed ac · 07-02-2010 12:43AM

MaighEoGoDeo wrote: »

Hi Guys!

Dulce et Decorum Est pro patria mori means:

'It is sweet and good to die for your country!'

We did it last year, and I did it in the Junior Cert. It's an excellent poem to choose for a question on imagery and sound, because there is so much audio imagery throughout the whole poem, and powerful verbs are used such as 'guttering, choking, drowning.' All of this adds to the effectiveness of the poem. Also, the dialogue in the poem brings it to life i.e. 'Gas! Gas! Quick boys!'

That's some of what I remember anyway! Poetry I think can be quite complicated because it really depends on your own interpretation of what's happening in the poem and the different poetic techniques. It's more prominent in the LC, moreso than the JC. We have a poem called 'The road not taken,' by Robert Frost, and our teacher thinks he's looking back on his life with a positive outlook, but most of the girls in my class, myself included, think he's reflecting with regret.

Anyway, Dulce Et Decorum Est is a really good poem to use! Also, for those worried about what poems to study for the Mocks, our class didn't do many, so most of us only studied 5 or 6. I did 'Mid term Break' and 'The Early Purges' by Séamus Heaney, 'Dulce et Decorum Est,' 'The Lake Isle of Inisfree,' 'The Listeners,' and 'First Day at School!'

Did that poem also! Really don't like it.

padocon · 07-02-2010 01:08AM

DKZ wrote: »

Did that poem also! Really don't like it.

Ya its not the worst.

Blue_Seas · 07-02-2010 03:01PM

Don't want to start a new thread for this.. Dunno if I'm even allowed to say it but it's not tips or anything... really

Just that my Science teacher told us that for our mocks for the first time they've blended together questions from previous exam papers. Any help to anyone? I don't have my mocks until after the midterm :pac:

Jackobyte · 07-02-2010 03:08PM

MaighGoDeo: we did the road not taken as well and we all interpreted it as regretful including my teacher. 'i shall be telling this with a sigh somewhere ages and ages hence'
i'd defo take that as regret

Jackobyte · 07-02-2010 03:18PM

Blue_Seas wrote: »

Don't want to start a new thread for this.. Dunno if I'm even allowed to say it but it's not tips or anything... really

Just that my Science teacher told us that for our mocks for the first time they've blended together questions from previous exam papers. Any help to anyone? I don't have my mocks until after the midterm :pac:

Is it a mix of previous j
c papers or previous pre-jc papers? If its just jc ones i'd try and get as many done as possible from your papers!!!

Closed ac · 07-02-2010 03:21PM

Jackobyte wrote: »

Is it a mix of previous j
c papers or previous pre-jc papers? If its just jc ones i'd try and get as many done as possible from your papers!!!

Why though, mocks are practice. So there's no point knowing what's going to come up because you won't in the actual JC! I'd rather not know anything about the mock exams, it will make the JC much harder in comparison if you do.

Jackobyte · 07-02-2010 03:31PM

DKZ wrote: »

Why though, mocks are practice. So there's no point knowing what's going to come up because you won't in the actual JC! I'd rather not know anything about the mock exams, it will make the JC much harder in comparison if you do.

Well the junior cert is usually a mix of previous papers. Questions are often repeated from one year to the next. Doing previous papers, when you came to a question you didn.t know you looked up the answer. I found papers were a good way to study for pres.

Luno · 07-02-2010 03:39PM

Ah! I was trying to study for my mocks which start tomorrow yesterday,
Haven't a clue where to start!

Closed ac · 07-02-2010 03:56PM

M&S* wrote: »

Ah! I was trying to study for my mocks which start tomorrow yesterday,
Haven't a clue where to start!

Lol

Luno · 07-02-2010 03:59PM

DKZ wrote: »

Lol

Noo I meant I was trying to study yesterday for my mocks that are tomorrow.
By the looks of it I could probably study english!

Closed ac · 07-02-2010 04:15PM

M&S* wrote: »

Noo I meant I was trying to study yesterday for my mocks that are tomorrow.
By the looks of it I could probably study english!

Ah okay! I've just done a bit of maths revision, though my Mocks don't start for another few days.

I find it really hard to study for english!

padocon · 07-02-2010 04:26PM

DKZ wrote: »

Why though, mocks are practice. So there's no point knowing what's going to come up because you won't in the actual JC! I'd rather not know anything about the mock exams, it will make the JC much harder in comparison if you do.

See your point any completely agree. But if someone's not going to study everything, they may as well know what's on it and study that. At least it some bit of study done.

bluejay14 · 07-02-2010 05:30PM

I don't want to study Irish for tomorrow.Both papers are tomorrow and I still have to learn off 2 sample answers for poems.:(At least we have 2 and a half hours study beforehand.

Jackobyte · 07-02-2010 05:57PM

What maths paper do theorums come up? Is it only paper 2 or can they come up on either???

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