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  • Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭Nari85


    Can you mix/stack cyclone maximuscle with beta alanine pro. Is it safe/advisable to do so


  • Registered Users Posts: 126 ✭✭mindaugelis


    Nari85 wrote: »
    Can you mix/stack cyclone maximuscle with beta alanine pro. Is it safe/advisable to do so

    hi, yes you can, cyclone is just protein and some creatine, use it as post workout shake (mix it with water for faster absorption), beta alanine 30-45 before workout on empty stomach.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭dave80


    5kg (11lb) Whey Protein Concentrate 82% only £29.99! Extended until midnight tomorrow!!

    http://www.bulkpowders.co.uk/product.php/276/0/whey_protein_concentrate_80___instantised_


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,818 ✭✭✭Inspector Coptoor


    that can be trumped by:

    MP MAX® True Whey

    Size: 5lb Tub

    Servings: 90 x 25g
    Offer Price: £21.99! (RRP: £27.49)
    Flavours:
    Velvet Vanilla / Cookies & Cream / Choc Orange /
    Choc Mint / Raspberry Ripple / Milk Chocolate /
    Strawberry Delight / Toffee Fudge / Banana Cream.

    this is serious value

    http://www.myprotein.co.uk/mp-max/protein-supplements/true-whey-%285lb%29/


  • Registered Users Posts: 126 ✭✭mindaugelis


    dave80 wrote: »
    5kg (11lb) Whey Protein Concentrate 82% only £29.99! Extended until midnight tomorrow!!

    http://www.bulkpowders.co.uk/product.php/276/0/whey_protein_concentrate_80___instantised_

    taste like sh1t :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39 FeetMagicII


    Hi all,
    I've recently got back into using the gym and I mainly concentrate on weight lifting and a small amount of cardio. Basically I'm clueless as to what supplements suit what needs but I would be looking for something that helps weight loss and aids muscle growth. I plan on training every second day. I'm average height and weight if it matters. A friend of mine takes USN cre-tec anabolic and recommends it?
    Cheers for any help.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,188 ✭✭✭Doug Cartel


    Hi all,
    I've recently got back into using the gym and I mainly concentrate on weight lifting and a small amount of cardio. Basically I'm clueless as to what supplements suit what needs but I would be looking for something that helps weight loss and aids muscle growth. I plan on training every second day. I'm average height and weight if it matters. A friend of mine takes USN cre-tec anabolic and recommends it?
    Cheers for any help.

    This might sound like a smart arse reply, but honestly it's not.

    Look at your diet, try and get it as good as possible and then use supplements to plug the holes.

    Protein shakes and creatine would probably be the main two things you should look at if you're working on strength, and add carbs as well if you're going for size. I think you should try to get as much of your protein and carbs from actual food, and just use the shakes as something you can take quickly after a workout.

    Avoid the fancy stuff it's all just marketing gimmicks.

    EDIT: Just re read your post. If you're trying to lose weight don't go for carb supplements. Sorry about that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 126 ✭✭mindaugelis


    Hi all,
    I've recently got back into using the gym and I mainly concentrate on weight lifting and a small amount of cardio. Basically I'm clueless as to what supplements suit what needs but I would be looking for something that helps weight loss and aids muscle growth. I plan on training every second day. I'm average height and weight if it matters. A friend of mine takes USN cre-tec anabolic and recommends it?
    Cheers for any help.

    my suggestion: amino acids, protein and some creatine, that USN cre-tec anabolic is just ordinary sugar with some magnesium :) look at nutritional details ;)http://www.thesupplementstore.co.uk/cre-tech-anabolic.htm#product-ingredients-nutritional-details 35eur for 1.8kg sugar :) in tesco 1kg of sugar 0.80eur and if you are thinking about weight loss forget sugar, by the way sugar decrease testosteron level. ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 126 ✭✭mindaugelis


    OT i cant imagine who can buy such crap, once i tryed USN weight gainer i just cant describe that taste :D and i payed 80eur(or more) for 5kg, madness :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 126 ✭✭mindaugelis


    for a person who bought two or more USN cre- tec anabolic, i will give something for free :D for example BCAA 2000


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭dave80


    make a bit of sense!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 126 ✭✭mindaugelis


    dave80 wrote: »
    make a bit of sense!!

    about what? protein you ordered or USN supplements? :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39 FeetMagicII


    Thanks for the advice. So that USN product seems worthless. Is there any protein shakes that you'd recommend? Can that BCAA2000 product be bought in Ireland or do you have to purchase it online.
    Cheers.


  • Registered Users Posts: 126 ✭✭mindaugelis


    Thanks for the advice. So that USN product seems worthless. Is there any protein shakes that you'd recommend? Can that BCAA2000 product be bought in Ireland or do you have to purchase it online.
    Cheers.

    ON gold protein is not bad, i am using universal nutrition whey pro protein, just finished new cookie & cream, it was best protein i ever try...

    p.s. BCAA2000 is amino acids, (short post about its http://www.mynutrition.ie/viewtopic.php?id=42)


  • Registered Users Posts: 29 abc2304


    i heard about this place through gumtree. Seamed a little different coz you pay in cash on delivery but i went with it anyway and it turned out good. they have their 'own brand' stuff which i bought and other known brands aswell. their own stuff is in quite plane/boring packaging, but it seams very good. check it out: www.aobnutrition.com


  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hey all,


    Just wondering what you guys think of Creatine;


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    An amazing product that, with the proper effort, will have you like Schwarzenegger in no time?

    Or is it like those fad diets, where you start to make great progress, but the minute you slow down or stop using them, everything goes to shit on you?


    Just looking to get some advice or insight if possible regarding it. The only other thread I could find was from 2002 and just involved a lot of arguing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1 Dunlea1994


    Dere pretty good im 16 and i take dem b4 games and training dere good at boosting performance and mental focus and dey made me more leaner aswell:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    Aguing is a by-product of ego IMO. FWIW it gives me the schitz when I take it with whey. Some people I know find it very good for mass building, not so much me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 859 ✭✭✭BobbyOLeary


    Hey all,


    Just wondering what you guys think of Creatine;


    313-0104267SPA68UC428622M.jpg



    An amazing product that, with the proper effort, will have you like Schwarzenegger in no time?

    Or is it like those fad diets, where you start to make great progress, but the minute you slow down or stop using them, everything goes to shit on you?


    Just looking to get some advice or insight if possible regarding it. The only other thread I could find was from 2002 and just involved a lot of arguing.

    Creatine - Yay or nay? I go with meh. I gained a kilo in weight last time I used it and I was pretty energetic. Though this could have been to do with my spotless diet at the time either. Really I wouldn't worry about it unless the rest of your diet is good.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 49 mcwilliams


    Ok I recently but a tub of whey protein. I'm mew to this an was wondering how many grs of powder to add to each shake and how long after your workout should u take it.....

    Just for the record-I'm 6'2 and 13 stone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 55 ✭✭cookerj


    Creatine is a naturally occurring substance in the body which works by drawing water into the muscle. It gives you muscle bulk and strength but yes it does decrease when you stop taking it, just like if you eat a good diet then start eating a sh1t one you'll lose momentum with training. I've worked with a good few sportspeople and trainers who've taken creatine, some swear by it and some decided to leave it off eventually. Never taken it myself.

    One thing to remember that I've heard over and over again is that the main type of creatine on the market, monohydrate, is only effective for about 75% of people.

    My issue with most sports supplements is that they're full of fillers, low quality protein made from chicken sternum, neurotoxins such as aspartame (the sweetener in diet coke), unnecessary sugars, artificial colours, flavourings etc.

    Lucozade and Maximuscle are full of artifificial sweeteners like aspartame, saccharin and ascesulphame k, imo they seriously counteract the positive intended effects, aspartame contains formaldehyde for christ's sake. Anyway...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 55 ✭✭cookerj


    mcwilliams wrote: »
    Ok I recently but a tub of whey protein. I'm mew to this an was wondering how many grs of powder to add to each shake and how long after your workout should u take it.....

    Just for the record-I'm 6'2 and 13 stone.


    Within 30mins of training is grand. How much totally depends on what you're training for and what kind of shape you're in. If you're training hard a recovery product would be more effective for you - a mixture of protein and carbs to create an insulin spike which draws the protein into your muscles further. Even if you're on a low-carb diet. You also need to replace the fluids, vits and minerals lost during training which protein alone can't do.

    If you're not training hard then just drink the protein within 30mins of training, 25-40g of it is enough. People often think the more the better but unless your gut's in great shape you're not absorbing it, just literally pissing your money down the drain.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 55 ✭✭cookerj


    Esse85 wrote: »
    Has anyone used these guys before http://www.stcnutrition.co.uk/products.html Their offering 3x 2.25kg tubs of whey for £60 which seems fantastic value.

    I've googled them and came across the follow http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/STC-nutrition-m3740152.aspx

    The general opinion seems to be that the taste is one of the best and the protein content is 83%.

    Note: I am in no way promoting these guys, i have nothing to do with them. Im just interested in a potential good deal.

    That stuff looks good to be fair, no aspartame aswell which is great. I don't like that there's taurine in their protein though, a lot of people like to have a shake after their evening workout/meal so it would mess with your sleep. 26.4g protein/serving is kind of average


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭mloc


    cookerj wrote: »

    My issue with most sports supplements is that they're full of fillers, low quality protein made from chicken sternum, neurotoxins such as aspartame (the sweetener in diet coke), unnecessary sugars, artificial colours, flavourings etc.

    Lucozade and Maximuscle are full of artifificial sweeteners like aspartame, saccharin and ascesulphame k, imo they seriously counteract the positive intended effects, aspartame contains formaldehyde for christ's sake. Anyway...

    I think you need to research your biochemistry/synthetic chemistry a bit more...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 55 ✭✭cookerj


    mloc wrote: »
    I think you need to research your biochemistry/synthetic chemistry a bit more...

    Go ahead and tell me why you think that mloc


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭mloc


    Most supplements are full of chicken sternum? Artificial sweeteners negate the benefit of sports supplements? I think those statements are a bit of an exaggeration.

    Additionally, saying there's formaldehyde in aspartame is as accurate as saying there's benzene in Aspirin; it's incorrect.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 55 ✭✭cookerj


    mloc wrote: »
    Most supplements are full of chicken sternum? Artificial sweeteners negate the benefit of sports supplements? I think those statements are a bit of an exaggeration.

    Additionally, saying there's formaldehyde in aspartame is as accurate as saying there's benzene in Aspirin; it's incorrect.

    I didn't say most supplements are full of chicken sternum, I listed a series of ingredients, many of which can be found in the main sports supplements on the market.

    Also I didn't say artificial sweeteners negate the benefits, I said counteract.

    I certainly wouldn't be the first to say that aspartame breaks down into methanol and then formaldehyde. I understand formaldehyde is a natural metabolic by-product but that doesn't help all the cases of cold sores, skin complaints, digestive problems and symptoms of MS that have been documented to disappear once aspartame is removed from the diet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭mloc


    cookerj wrote: »
    I understand formaldehyde is a natural metabolic by-product but that doesn't help all the cases of cold sores, skin complaints, digestive problems and symptoms of MS that have been documented to disappear once aspartame is removed from the diet.

    Until I see double blind, controlled studies indicating significant correlation, I don't buy it, nor anything else nutrition related.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,639 ✭✭✭PeakOutput


    cookerj wrote: »
    I didn't say most supplements are full of chicken sternum, I listed a series of ingredients, many of which can be found in the main sports supplements on the market.

    id like to see which products you are refering to thanks so i can avoid them


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 55 ✭✭cookerj


    PeakOutput wrote: »
    id like to see which products you are refering to thanks so i can avoid them

    I'm not here to bash particular brands (though I admit I did mention some examples earlier) but in my experience there are some general rules of thumb.

    1. Avoid products which contain the artificial sweeteners aspartame, acesulphame k and saccharin, there's a lot of controversy around them.
    2. Any ingredients called "hydro bulge mix" or "super strength formula" etc are generally just fillers/sugars designed to lower the quality so that the product is cheaper for manufacturers to make OR they're nothing dressed up to be some fancy sh1t. Products should have clear ingredients.
    3. Simple sugars such as dextrose and fructose, also sucrose (a fructose derivative) are needed in performance and recovery products to a certain degree but there's no need for any sugar in a simple protein formula - if there are sugars there they're lowering effectiveness and cheaper for the manufacturers.

    I'm surprised that so many people on boards are into pure whey - casein is a lot better in some ways in my experience - slower-digesting so you (arguably) can absorb a lot more, good source of calcium. I'm not saying pure casein is necessarily the way to go but certainly a mix of the 2.

    Whey appears to be pushed by the media for 1 very large reason: whey is a by-product of dairies which they have problems dumping, that's why so many dairies make sports supplements. Casein is more expensive for manufacturers aswell.

    Anyone else into casein here?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    cookerj wrote: »
    I'm not here to bash particular brands (though I admit I did mention some examples earlier) but in my experience there are some general rules of thumb.

    1. Avoid products which contain the artificial sweeteners aspartame, acesulphame k and saccharin, there's a lot of controversy around them.
    2. Any ingredients called "hydro bulge mix" or "super strength formula" etc are generally just fillers/sugars designed to lower the quality so that the product is cheaper for manufacturers to make OR they're nothing dressed up to be some fancy sh1t. Products should have clear ingredients.
    3. Simple sugars such as dextrose and fructose, also sucrose (a fructose derivative) are needed in performance and recovery products to a certain degree but there's no need for any sugar in a simple protein formula - if there are sugars there they're lowering effectiveness and cheaper for the manufacturers.

    I'm surprised that so many people on boards are into pure whey - casein is a lot better in some ways in my experience - slower-digesting so you (arguably) can absorb a lot more, good source of calcium. I'm not saying pure casein is necessarily the way to go but certainly a mix of the 2.

    Whey appears to be pushed by the media for 1 very large reason: whey is a by-product of dairies which they have problems dumping, that's why so many dairies make sports supplements. Casein is more expensive for manufacturers aswell.

    Anyone else into casein here?

    Did you go to the Tony Quinn school of nutrition by any chance?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,639 ✭✭✭PeakOutput


    cookerj wrote: »
    I'm not here to bash particular brands

    well having just checked the ingredients of all the supplements i have used i dont see any mention of asparteme or chicken sternum so i would like to see some ingredient lists backing up what you said

    if you think they are as dangerous as you said dont you think you should let people know about this?

    most of the ingredient lists for the basic products like protein creatine have always seemed very basic to me ie the protein a flavouring and maybe a thickener


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 49 mcwilliams


    Ok I've started using whey protein as a pwo shake-about 40 grammes at a time. I workout each day or about an hour in the gym so end up having a pwo whey shake each day.

    Basically I was just wondering how long would it take before u start noticing a gain in muscle?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,639 ✭✭✭PeakOutput


    mcwilliams wrote: »
    Ok I've started using whey protein as a pwo shake-about 40 grammes at a time. I workout each day or about an hour in the gym so end up having a pwo whey shake each day.

    Basically I was just wondering how long would it take before u start noticing a gain in muscle?

    the rest of your diet needs to be in order for the protein to make any difference


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 49 mcwilliams


    I've been told that my diet is perfect for taking protein and was reccomended it by a trainer. So can anyone answer my question?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,639 ✭✭✭PeakOutput


    mcwilliams wrote: »
    I've been told that my diet is perfect for taking protein and was reccomended it by a trainer. So can anyone answer my question?

    i would say you should see some weight gain in 4 weeks


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 55 ✭✭cookerj


    Hanley wrote: »
    Did you go to the Tony Quinn school of nutrition by any chance?

    Tony Quinn advocate pure casein from what I've heard so no.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 55 ✭✭cookerj


    PeakOutput wrote: »
    well having just checked the ingredients of all the supplements i have used i dont see any mention of asparteme or chicken sternum so i would like to see some ingredient lists backing up what you said

    if you think they are as dangerous as you said dont you think you should let people know about this?

    most of the ingredient lists for the basic products like protein creatine have always seemed very basic to me ie the protein a flavouring and maybe a thickener

    Lucozade contains aspartame and acesulphame k in their protein powder, Maximuscle, Nutrition X, EAS and Optimum Nutrition contain acesulphame k, USN contains aspartame, Reflex contains aspartame AND acesulphame k in their protein, just for starters - you can see this on ingredients lists on their websites and sites where it is sold, also the tubs themselves obviously.

    It's not always the basic protein powder that contains these though many of the creatines, gainers, recovery products do.

    Chicken sternum would never be on an ingredients list as it's listed as protein, I personally know 2 manufacturers from the brands I listed above who use it, 2 more I've heard from pretty trustworthy sources. There's nothing particularly bad about eating sternum, it's just super low quality. Put in peanuts you get monkeys.

    PeakOutput if people haven't done their research already I'm unlikely to change their minds, most people just don't seem to care as long as they get fast results. I'm not trying to bash certain brands, some people believe there's nothing wrong with such ingredients, all you can do is your research and make up your own mind. I've simply cited brands which contain ingredients I strongly believe to be unhealthy and unethical.

    Most of us don't eat McDonalds every day even though it's cheap and tastes good (to some people anyway). Why don't we eat it all the time? We know it's not nutritious. Same goes for sports nutrition in my book, ie choose the best you can. Of course it's not always the most expensive that's the best quality whatsoever and I haven't found an absolute ideal brand yet but I'm working on it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    cookerj wrote: »
    PeakOutput if people haven't done their research already I'm unlikely to change their minds, most people just don't seem to care as long as they get fast results. Most of us don't eat McDonalds every day even though it's cheap and tastes good (to some people anyway). Why don't we eat it all the time? Same goes for sports nutrition in my book.

    What?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 55 ✭✭cookerj


    Hanley wrote: »
    What?

    see edit


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 282 ✭✭injured365


    What brands do you buy so cookerj????


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,639 ✭✭✭PeakOutput


    thanks for the explanation

    dont the brands list the type of protein? like whey casein etc and chicken sternum would be reclaimed chicken so is that not what it would be down as?

    im not trying to prove you wrong i only want to be clear for myself so i know what im putting in my body


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 49 BrthzDublin


    Hi guys.As many shops in dublin that many products.Know only one thing,my best friend got his stock from usa.Guy will try to sell some stuff on sunday market in fairyhouse.Think they're best quality supplements around like dymatize,universal etc.just pleased me to post quick info to all of you.Proabably man will beat the prices all around.
    example dymatize xpand 925g for 40e.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭BigDuffman


    Whats anyones experience with Optimum Nutrition? Looking at the whey protein and recovery 2:1:1?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 55 ✭✭cookerj


    You're correct, the brands are supposed to list it as reclaimed chicken but it's very easy to cover it up as when powders are tested they're usually just analysed for protein content, it's very long and complicated to test for actual protein sources. Unfortunately it's really trade knowledge as to who's straight and who's not so don't get bogged down on that - buying brands that are reputable (not full of artificial stuff) is the best you can do for yourself in my experience.

    Hydrogenated fat or creamer is another one - often listed as MCTs (medium chain triglycerides). I'm not saying all MCTs are bad but certainly the ones that are actually hydrogenated fat.

    I'm not endorsing any brands here, if someone really wants to know they can PM me, I'm not trying to start a war, I just have a particular hatred for some of the artificial sweeteners.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭Col200sx


    I put this in here as there's plenty us gym-goers would benefit from this.

    In the Holland & Barrett in Galway (not sure about other shops elsewhere), there's buy-one-get-cheaper-item-half-price.

    So I've just stocked up on Maximuscle products at a very reasonable rate, €75 for 2 2kg tubs instead of the usual €50 each.

    That deal is on everything until February 18th:)

    (Mods feel free to move this if necessary)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,179 ✭✭✭✭Sangre


    €75 for what? Whey? Ouch!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭Col200sx


    Sangre wrote: »
    €75 for what? Whey? Ouch!

    http://www.maximuscle.ie/progain

    Everywhere in Galway it's €49.99 per 2kg tub.

    Just giving people a heads up in case they're paying over the odds that's all;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    Cool thanks for the thread. I have seen the ads on tv but wasn't sure if it would apply to the new galway shop. Where excatly is it?

    I think maximuscle is crazy expensive, though 4 kg for 75euro, would def make it tempting to try it out.

    I am pretty sure that they stock meridian peanut butter. 100% peanuts, 0salt, 0 sugar, amazing stuff :D


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭Col200sx


    JJayoo wrote: »
    I think maximuscle is crazy expensive, though 4 kg for 75euro, would def make it tempting to try it out.

    I am pretty sure that they stock meridian peanut butter. 100% peanuts, 0salt, 0 sugar, amazing stuff :D

    Remember it's that deal on EVERYTHING in the shop, so not just limited to what I bought. So plenty of savings to be made on all sorts.
    JJayoo wrote: »
    Cool thanks for the thread. I have seen the ads on tv but wasn't sure if it would apply to the new galway shop. Where excatly is it?

    It's on Shop Street, in between Easons and Boots, can't miss it:)


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