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Headshops; Should they be allowed?

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  • #62
    Judgement Day
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    fcussen wrote: »
    I remember when that dead-eyed psycho raped my wife while looking for his daily spice gold fix all I could think was "why didn't I listen to the internet?"

    Another hilarious post from someone who is fortunate enough not to have been on the receiving end of trouble from scum bags I take it?


  • #63
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    Although ancient I can well remember what I got up to at primary school - smoking everything and anything, drinking whatever could be got hold of etc.etc. but the point was there was a major scarcity of anything really dangerous to take not like today.

    Yeah, a ten year old child drinking "whatever could be got hold" isn't dangerous.


  • #64
    strawberryb0y
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 192 ✭✭strawberryb0y


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    And that works? How long is since you were a kid? I'm fifty and I know that being forbidden to do something is just the thing to make you try something. Remember Adam & Eve? Although ancient I can well remember what I got up to at primary school - smoking everything and anything, drinking whatever could be got hold of etc.etc. but the point was there was a major scarcity of anything really dangerous to take not like today.

    I agree that it doesn't always work. My argument is a bit more general then specifically headshop related. It just seems that the parents on Joe Duffy think that banning everything is the soloution so long as they dont have to any difficult parenting themselves.


  • #65
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    Another hilarious post from someone who is fortunate enough not to have been on the receiving end of trouble from scum bags I take it?

    You presume an awful lot about people you don't know anything about.


  • #66
    fcussen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 142 ✭✭fcussen


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    Another hilarious post from someone who is fortunate enough not to have been on the receiving end of trouble from scum bags I take it?


    I live in Limerick


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  • #67
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    Incidentally,I hope the 11% of posters who voted who cares feel really proud of themselves. When some drugged up yob breaks into their house some night they can remember how they voted. :mad:

    Holy. Lantern. Jaysus. Here we have it folks. Joe Duffy's target audience summed up in one post. Bravo
    Judgement Day wrote: »
    How does letting legalised drug dealers peddle their wares to our children protect our civil liberties?

    For the last fcukin' time..............................THEY DO NOT SELL TO MINORS.


  • #68
    Morlar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    Deleted User wrote: »
    "Recreational" and "Abuse" don't go in the same sentence.

    'Recreational' drugs can not be 'abused' ? ? Yes they can.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Nor would there be a problem with legitamising something recreational?

    Some people consider heroin to be recreational. I have known people (ok one person) who regularly use heroin and in their late 50's - who apparently have never let it get out of control. That person ran a semi successful very hectic busy enterprise for years. Society is not built to cater for every single wish and whim of every single person - there is a concept of greater good. In the greater good heroin is rightly illegal.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    How can you not agree with the point that drug dealers will take over their trade if they're banned.

    That is not so much a point as a threat. 'Don't make our business illegal - or you will suffer'. It's possible that some drug dealers will take up the slack. At least in the main parents who tell their kids to avoid will have a better hope of getting through if the thing they want their kids to avoid is not legally sold on the high street. Parents in this instance are not looking for 'the state to do their parenting for them'. A parent has no real actual control over their kids when they leave the house, beyond trying to advise, educate and direct - any advice they give is fundamentally undermined by having these shops operate in broad daylight whereas if they were illegal it would not be. Yes - you may have some kids go that route instead, but the majority would not. Nor would you have a neverending constant crop of newer kids coming along going 'hey it's legal for adults - must be safe'.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    I know people taking legal stuff because it's easy. If they're ever made illegal, they'll go straight back to their dealers.

    I would argue that while some may choose to do that others would not.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Society benefits from the headshops taking the money instead of the gangs.

    This is not a discussion about revenue. Criminal gangs belong in prison.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Have you ever taken any drugs

    None of your business.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    or have any experience in anything mentioned in this thread?

    This is a discussion which is open to all - whether you are a headshop customer or not.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Or are you just putting in an uneducated opinion based on nothing but your own closed minded thoughts on something you know nothing about?

    You can call my viewpoint uneducated, obviously as a 22 yr old accountant your life experience makes mine pale in comparison.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Edit: Oh yea, I'm not "young and weak".. I'm a 22 year old accountant who doesn't appreciate people like yourself trying to limit what I do in my own time and with my own money.
    Why on earth should I not be able to do something because of your opinion on it?

    The world does not revolve around you. The young and the weak would include 10 yr olds in housing estates, not 22yr old accountants. If they (headshops) can not regulate themselves - which they have proven to be the case, then they should be shut down.


  • #69
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    Work in AE do you. Hilarious post!

    Yes, it was a joke. Glad you got it!


  • #70
    Shulgin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 688 ✭✭✭Shulgin


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    Another hilarious post from someone who is fortunate enough not to have been on the receiving end of trouble from scum bags I take it?

    Scumbags take drugs, but so do some of the nicest people I know. Your point?.


  • #71
    Judgement Day
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    fcussen wrote: »
    I live in Limerick

    That explains a lot! :D


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  • #72
    Judgement Day
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Holy. Lantern. Jaysus. Here we have it folks. Joe Duffy's target audience summed up in one post. Bravo



    For the last fcukin' time..............................THEY DO NOT SELL TO MINORS.

    Well here we have 'the' person in the know. How the hell do you know 'they do not sell to minors'? Have you a CCTV link to every Head shop in the state?


  • #73
    genericguy
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    Morlar wrote: »
    If they (headshops) can not regulate themselves - which they have proven to be the case, then they should be shut down.

    nobody has proven this, miriam o' callaghan and joe duffy have inferred it without any validation or evidence. i know of people who sniff air freshener to get high, recreationally. are we banning this? what about deoderant, petrol, and black magic markers? too much nutmeg will make you trip balls also, so let's ban that. then we'll go for red bull, coffee, tea, and that lucozade stuff that makes you 33% more rowdy. or what about alcohol, which is used as the mitigating circumstance in every fcuking jail sentence handed down in the courts today? or how about cigarettes? everyone knows a number of people who've died as a result of smoking-related disease. the only person anyone knows who's been adversely affected by headshop substances is their nextdoor neighbour's sister's aunt's cousin's handyman's nephew.


  • #74
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    Well here we have 'the' person in the know. How the hell do you know 'they do not sell to minors'? Have you a CCTV link to every Head shop in the state?

    How do you know that they do sell to minors? Have you seen someone under 18 buy something in one of them?

    I know of one off-licence that sells to underage teenagers, should we shut them all down because of that one place?


  • #75
    fcussen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 142 ✭✭fcussen


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    Well here we have 'the' person in the know. How the hell do you know 'they do not sell to minors'? Have you a CCTV link to every Head shop in the state?

    How do you know that they DO sell to minors? Have you a CCTV link to every Head shop in the state?

    The burden of proof is on your side. Is there any evidence for such a wild accusation as whatsoever?


  • #76
    Judgement Day
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    How do you know that they do sell to minors? Have you seen someone under 18 buy something in one of them?

    I know of one off-licence that sells to underage teenagers, should we shut them all down because of that one place?

    Well I know for a fact (widely reported in local newspaper) that one of the ones in DG was caught out selling to a 16 year old last week - but then I'm sure she looked as if she was 20.:rolleyes:


  • #77
    Judgement Day
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    You presume an awful lot about people you don't know anything about.

    You will note a question mark on my post - I asked the question.


  • #78
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    Well I know for a fact (widely reported in local newspaper) that one of the ones in DG was caught out selling to a 16 year old last week - but then I'm sure she looked as if she was 20.:rolleyes:

    So we should ban them all along with all the off-licences because of that one I know of that sold vodka to an underage girl?


  • #79
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    Well I know for a fact (widely reported in local newspaper) that one of the ones in DG was caught out selling to a 16 year old last week - but then I'm sure she looked as if she was 20.:rolleyes:

    It happens with cigarettes and alcohol too, wanna close all the pubs etc??


  • #80
    strobe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    Shulgin wrote: »
    We need shops that sell Cannabis,MDMA , LSD, and other drugs who`s risks are known, and are tightly controlled and licenced, and under no circumstances sell to minors.

    Then there would be no need for all the newer drugs with their unknown risks.

    I'm just going to stop reading at this point in the thread and presume everyone has suddenly become reasonable on the subject and agree completely with Shulgin. Another epic win for After Hours so.


  • #81
    AKA pat sheen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 121 ✭✭AKA pat sheen


    Shulgin wrote: »
    Im pretty sure he said all combinations of the above on newstalk and joe duffy. Good attempt at an alternative view but he shot himself in the foot with the BZP argument. He didn`t do his research there.

    How did he shoot himself in the foot? The point wasn't really relevant, I don't know why he brought it up. His point was each time we ban something the headshops sell they will move to something else and the dealers will provide the banned substance. So the problem doubles.


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  • #82
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    Another hilarious post from someone who is fortunate enough not to have been on the receiving end of trouble from scum bags I take it?
    Judgement Day wrote: »
    You will note a question mark on my post - I asked the question.

    Yes but you started by mocking his post and added 'I take it' at the end, inferring that it was the case.

    If it was a straight question with no presumation you could have phrased it "And have you ever been on the receiving end of trouble from scum bags?"

    You're trying to skip out of it on technicalities but it was plainly obvious that you were inferring that he had led some manner of charmed life and never encountered any trouble. Nice try but no cigar.


  • #83
    Mr. Presentable
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,495 ✭✭✭Mr. Presentable


    There's no reason headshops should be banned, but what they sell in many cases should be. Weed killer :eek: Horse tranqs :eek: etc.


  • #84
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    nipplenuts wrote: »
    Horse tranqs :eek: etc.

    I've never seen a headshop sell horse tranquilisers.


  • #85
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    I've never seen a headshop sell horse tranquilisers.

    You have to give the special handshake :pac:


  • #86
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    Dempsey wrote: »
    You have to give the special handshake :pac:

    Special handshakes? Have we moved on to discussing massage parlours or what? ;)


  • #87
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    Special handshakes? Have we moved on to discussing massage parlours or what? ;)

    Errr....I mean secret, SECRET handshake ::o:D


  • #88
    Shulgin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 688 ✭✭✭Shulgin


    AKA pat sheen wrote: »
    How did he shoot himself in the foot? The point wasn't really relevant, I don't know why he brought it up. His point was each time we ban something the headshops sell they will move to something else and the dealers will provide the banned substance. So the problem doubles.

    I agree with that.

    But,
    He shot himself in the foot because he was contradicting himself, "close them", "don`t close them". He obviously didnt know the story with BZP either , grainne kenny jumped on him with the correct info on that one ,but he repeated the incorrect info over and over saying that they should have banned it europe wide. which they actually did.

    All I`m saying is he should have got his facts straight before coming out with something so controversial. It did affect the integrity of the points he was trying to get across.


  • #89
    bobblepuzzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    I'm sure if they were regulated, the people in favour of headshops would have some good arguments... but they aren't! Its really dangerous what they are doing. :mad:


  • #90
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    Shulgin wrote: »
    but he repeated the incorrect info over and over saying that they should have banned it europe wide. which they actually did.

    I don't think it has been banned Europe wide yet. I think there are still some countries which haven't complied with the EU directive yet.

    I could be wrong though.


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  • #91
    frag420
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,161 ✭✭✭frag420


    You never see a positive drug story on the news. They always have the same drug story. You've all seen it: "Today a young man on acid...thought he could fly...jumped out of a building...what a tragedy!" What a dick. He's an idiot. If he thought he could fly why didn't he take off from the ground first? Check it out? You don't see geese lined up to catch elevators to fly south; they fly from the ****ing ground. He's an idiot. He's dead. Good! We lost a moron. ****ing celebrate. There's one less moron in the world........


    Wouldn't you like to see a positive drug story on the news? To base your decision on information rather than scare tactics and superstition?, perhaps? Wouldn't that be interesting? Just for once?............

    All from Bills Hicks........

    NOw from me.............We are all adults eh. What business is it of yours be you the government, a worried parent or whomever if i want to inhale, inject, injest whatever into my body as long as i am not hurting anyone else be it legal or illegal. I dont rob people to buy weed. I dont rob people before i go to the pub. As an adult I take responsibility for my actions.

    So you see young people hanging about outside headshops. Big whizz. Better they are outside than inside I would think. Sounds like them being outside the headshops are doing a good job then eh. Put side by side all the people who have died from these legal highs beside all those that have died or been injured as a result of alcohol and you will see a huge difference. I see kids hanging outside off licences and pubs too yet nobody calling for them to be shut down eh. Is that because all these killjoys who spend there time trying to close head shops need somewhere to relax at the weekend after a week of yappin on joe duffy??

    Anyways im of to inject some nescafe and sniff some lynx b4 its all made illegal.

    frAg


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