Bill Gates: White kids not eligible for my scholarships

Morlar wrote: »

I read it as being if you meet ALL of the following requirements (including the non-white requirement);

Students are eligible to be considered for a GMS scholarship if they:

a)
* Are African American, American Indian/Alaska Native*, Asian Pacific Islander American** or Hispanic American

b)
* Are a citizen, national or legal permanent resident of the United States

c)
* Have attained a cumulative high school GPA of 3.3 on an unweighted 4.0 scale or have earned a GED

d)
* Will be enrolling for the first time at a U.S. accredited*** college or university as a full-time, degree-seeking, first-year student in the fall 2010

e)
* Have demonstrated leadership abilities through participation in community service, extracurricular, or other activities

f)
* Meet the Federal Pell Grant eligibility criteria

g)
* Have completed and submitted all three required forms (Nominee Personal Information Form, Nominator Form, and Recommender Form) by the deadline

ie if you are only a citizen (b )you do not qualify on that basis.

That would make a lot more sense.

If he was a black guy who said no white people could have it then id say it's racist :P

therewillbe wrote: »

Am I right in saying that Children whatever colour go to school in the U S? They ALL are taught to a standard? Some choose High School then some choose to go to college and so on.Well when it turns out that The AfricanAmerican and Latino have the lowest uptake of college well thats their choice..

Do you know how much it costs to go to college in the States? It's not a choice if you can't afford it. Why do you think so many Latinos and African Americans join the military et al? They're from poor backgrounds and if they complete a certain amount of service they get reduced fees for college. I know cos I went to university with some of them. In the meantime US Army et al get cannon fodder. Or if they're athletically gifted they get a scholarship to play unpaid for the University which reaps multiples of that from TV contracts and so on. Welcome to equality US style. FYI there's loads and loads of different types of scholarship, if you go on the website it appears that he offers lots of different ones open to everyone but some are reserved for minorities. But never let the facts get in the way of a good swipe at people who are a different colour
To quote Gates website:
Only one in 10 low-income students can expect to graduate from college. And disproportionately fewer students of color earn bachelor’s degrees. This is not due to a lack of talent but instead to the high costs of tuition and to the fact that many graduate high school without the skills they need to succeed in college. They also lack guidance on how to choose a school, apply for admission, and fill out financial aid forms.

Here for example is one of the scholarship types http://www.washington.edu/uaa/mge/index.htm
Oh my God it's a white man!! But maybe they were discriminating against whites with short hair.

PS: To the OP, maybe do a little bit of research before you post inaccurate information.

Simple Racism nothing less and I love the term 'positive discrimination'. What's positive about it? So does that mean you can negative discrimination? It's just discrimination plain and simple. This P.C. $h1t really makes me sick. There comes a time when people need to be stopped being spoon fed, get of their Ar$es and make an effort.

medicman2009 wrote: »

Simple Racism nothing less and I love the term 'positive discrimination'. What's positive about it? So does that mean you can negative discrimination? It's just discrimination plain and simple. This P.C. $h1t really makes me sick. There comes a time when people need to be stopped being spoon fed, get of their Ar$es and make an effort.

Looking at the requirements they seem pretty strict and no doubt it's competitive. So anyone who qualifies for this has doubtless achieved far more than almost any of us did in school.

Morlar wrote: »

You might be able to catch it on the 4od online player.

That segment of the programme (3-5 mins out of 1 hr) used berkely as an example of how a colour blind SAT Scores-based admissions system dropped the black admission level - but that the drop was not based to a policy of discrimination against black people.

It also dropped the white admission level.

Unless you feel that black people should take different tests to bump their scores ? How about white people who also score lower in comparison to asians ? Is that also due to some mythical inherent bias ?



That was the assertion of the programme yes. Though you will remember that the journalist was at pains to point out repeatedly that the majority of academia/researchers would not comment on this issue as it was too dangerous for them to do so. I did not include the parts at the beginning either, nor the parts in the middle. I referenced one 5 minute segment as that was the part which relates to this thread regarding admission levels in american academia when they are colour blind. ie they drop the white level, drop the black level and increase the asian level dramatically.

So you just pointed to the parts that suited your arugment, then.
There have been quite a few 'brave' academics/scientists who have come forward with theories that would seem to back up what you're hinting at; the problem for them is that their work has been easily debunked by others, i.e. failed to stand up to rigorous scrutiny.
As for the 'danger' faced by academics/researchers in dealing with this issue - it's, obviously, a hot-button issue, (and you don't have to look to far back in history to understand why), but i'm unaware of any case, in countries that value free speech, in which an academic/scientist holding any particular viewpoint has gone to jail for expressing it.
The 'danger' is to their reputation; the same danger is there for any scientist, regardless of issue, who makes claims they cannot substantiate.
There is so much obvious, identifiable evidence that points to social/circumstantial reasons behind differences in academic achievement that it's hard to know where to start.
Anyway, regarding the main issue.
A private citizen, Bill Gates, has decided to do this with his money and as far as i'm aware, isn't breaking any laws.
He obviously sees a problem, has his beliefs as to the reason that lies behind this problem and feels this will help.
It's his money to do with as he wishes.
People can disagree with how he spends it if they wish; but to turn it into a political point, i.e, to compare it to how a state/government handles issues is, at best, to miss the point.

2 brothers grow up in the exact same circumstances.

Both sons of white mother but have different fathers, one has a white Dad, one a black one.

Everything else being equal one kid has the chance to get this scholarship and the other not.

Can anyone explain how this is not discriminatory?