Bill Gates: White kids not eligible for my scholarships

digme

http://www.gmsp.org

on the front page.


Who’s Eligible?

Students are eligible to be considered for a GMS scholarship if they:

* Are African American, American Indian/Alaska Native*, Asian Pacific Islander American** or Hispanic American
* Are a citizen, national or legal permanent resident of the United States
* Have attained a cumulative high school GPA of 3.3 on an unweighted 4.0 scale or have earned a GED
* Will be enrolling for the first time at a U.S. accredited*** college or university as a full-time, degree-seeking, first-year student in the fall 2010
* Have demonstrated leadership abilities through participation in community service, extracurricular, or other activities
* Meet the Federal Pell Grant eligibility criteria
* Have completed and submitted all three required forms (Nominee Personal Information Form, Nominator Form, and Recommender Form) by the deadline

SubrbanOblivion

He's trying to target the poorest demographic, but it does seem a bit racist.

Burning Eclipse

What's so wrong with wanting to help minorities who have historically never had as big a slice of the pie as white Americans?

WindSock

digme wrote: »

Who’s Eligible?

Ethnic groups who are usually at an extreme disadvantage in American society?

PeakOutput

non issue

magma69

WindSock wrote: »

Ethnic groups who are usually at an extreme disadvantage in American society?

There are white people who are at an extreme disadvantage in society also. Just because there is a lesser percentage of white people at a disadvantage it makes it okay to exclude these people? The requirements should not be race related but rather situation related (financial, family etc.) Classic reverse racism.

markok84

I hear if you took all his money and turned it into 1 dollar bills and stacked them they'd reach the moon.

Mike 1972

digme wrote: »

African American,

Is (for example) a White South African who moves to the US and becomes a citizen (along with the decendents therof) considered to be an "African American" ?

WindSock wrote: »

Ethnic groups who are usually at an extreme disadvantage in American society?

American society has (historically and currently) experienced severe problems due to (institutional and individual) racism.

The solution -more racism ?

Cuddlesworth

WindSock wrote: »

Ethnic groups who are usually at an extreme disadvantage in American society?

So is the answer to treat them equally now or place them on a pedestal above everybody else?

Agricola

Positive discrimination. So what!

aDeener

Burning Eclipse wrote: »

What's so wrong with wanting to help minorities who have historically never had as big a slice of the pie as white Americans?

Key word there.

Things have changed, they can achieve whatever they so wish in the land of the free and the home of the brave.....

Burning Eclipse

aDeener wrote: »

Key word there.

Things have changed, they can achieve whatever they so wish in the land of the free and the home of the brave.....

If you can't see how history shapes our present, then anything I write here is not going to change your opinion.

PeakOutput

magma69 wrote: »

There are white people who are at an extreme disadvantage in society also. Just because there is a lesser percentage of white people at a disadvantage it makes it okay to exclude these people? The requirements should not be race related but rather situation related (financial, family etc.) Classic reverse racism.

who are you to tell bill gates what to do with his money? there are plenty of scholarship schemes for caucasians in america aswell. if you look at the top ranked schools there demographics are severely skewed in favour of caucasians. you need dedicated ethnic minority scholarships to encourage those people in particular to aim high

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Racism is racism, no matter how you butter it up.

Mike 1972

Agricola wrote: »

Positive discrimination.

Contradiction ?

PeakOutput wrote: »

who are you to tell bill gates what to do with his money? there are plenty of scholarship schemes for caucasians in america aswell. if you look at the top ranked schools there demographics are severely skewed in favour of caucasians. you need dedicated ethnic minority scholarships to encourage those people in particular to aim high

Because its far easier than actually addressing the underlying reasons for those demographics being skewed ?

walshb

magma69 wrote: »

There are white people who are at an extreme disadvantage in society also. Just because there is a lesser percentage of white people at a disadvantage it makes it okay to exclude these people? The requirements should not be race related but rather situation related (financial, family etc.) Classic reverse racism.

I agree fully, color should not be even considered here. I guess it's similar to Madonna and other celebs who go out of their way to adopt an exotic child. No white children, local children, has to be Asian or African or some other ethnicity, as long as it's not the "norm."

PeakOutput

aDeener wrote: »

Key word there.

Things have changed, they can achieve whatever they so wish in the land of the free and the home of the brave.....

you need to look at the figures they are hugely underrepresented at third level

NothingMan

Now I'm not racist, but...........

pickarooney

The problem is not that one man is giving away his personal fortune so that kids may get an education, it's that such kids should be dependent on same.

SubrbanOblivion

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Is (for example) a White South African who moves to the US and becomes a citizen (along with the decendents therof) considered to be an "African American" ?

No, just as an Irish person who immigrated to the US then wouldn't be called Irish American.

African American is just the PC term for a black person used for government paperwork and other forms.

magma69

PeakOutput wrote: »

who are you to tell bill gates what to do with his money? there are plenty of scholarship schemes for caucasians in america aswell. if you look at the top ranked schools there demographics are severely skewed in favour of caucasians. you need dedicated ethnic minority scholarships to encourage those people in particular to aim high

Where in my post am I telling Bill Gates what to do with his money? I was pointing out that it was racist which it clearly is as it discriminates against a particular race. Those scholarship schemes for caucasions you mention are also racist for the same reasons.

SubrbanOblivion

pickarooney wrote: »

The problem is not that one man is giving away his personal fortune so that kids may get an education, it's that such kids should be dependent on same.

Know an instant cure for poverty? I'm sure many would love to hear it...

walshb

The term African American is strictly referring to a U.S. person from Africa or who has ancestors from Africa, usually it's black people that is being referred to.

PeakOutput

walshb wrote: »

I agree fully, color should not be even considered here. I guess it's similar to Madonna and other celebs who go out of their way to adopt an exotic child. No white children, local children, has to be Asian or African or some other ethnicity, as long as it's not the "norm."

:rolleyes: really completely different if your honest

celeb adoption may be fashion related sure

bill gates setting up a scholarship has nothing to do with not wanting to help the norm(bear in mind he has donated what? 95% of his wealth to charity)

the fact of the matter is there are numerous scholarship programmes that are dedicated to certain groups(men only / women only / men from a certain high school / women who got over a certain result) people choose a group to be 'patron' too because they think it needs particular attention (there is no argument that in america minority college attendance reuires attendance) its a personal choice were the money goes

if i ever get that rich for example i would probably provide a scholarship for people from university of limerick to do postgrads in top flight american schools, is this somehow wrong because im not including ucd? no its were i would like my money to go

PeakOutput

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Because its far easier than actually addressing the underlying reasons for those demographics being skewed ?

how long will the schemes to improve these minorities general wealth and economic status take to start to have an affect? 10/20/30/50 years? its at least a generation. what about this generation who cant afford to go to college but have the intelligence and drive to do it? what do you tell them? oh sorry we cant send you because we are working on sending your grand kids instead

walshb

PeakOutput wrote: »

:rolleyes: really completely different if your honest

celeb adoption may be fashion related sure

bill gates setting up a scholarship has nothing to do with not wanting to help the norm(bear in mind he has donated what? 95% of his wealth to charity)

the fact of the matter is there are numerous scholarship programmes that are dedicated to certain groups(men only / women only / men from a certain high school / women who got over a certain result) people choose a group to be 'patron' too because they think it needs particular attention (there is no argument that in america minority college attendance reuires attendance) its a personal choice were the money goes

if i ever get that rich for example i would probably provide a scholarship for people from university of limerick to do postgrads in top flight american schools, is this somehow wrong because im not including ucd? no its were i would like my money to go

Well, I suppose it's his money and he can do what he likes with it once it's above board and legal. I just don't think color should factor in here. He is bringing in Race to this, not us.

Mal-Adjusted

when judging if it's racism or not, all you need think about is "If he had a scholorship fund which specifically excluded black people in America, would there be a fallout from it?
I think we all know the answer to that?

didn't you hear? only white people are racist.

pickarooney

What about North-African (arab) Americans?

L'prof

markok84 wrote: »

I hear if you took all his money and turned it into 1 dollar bills and stacked them they'd reach the moon.

Nope, he's worth $58b, not $3.4t, you'd have to stack it up 60 times

God, I'm bored :D

PeakOutput

walshb wrote: »

Well, I suppose it's his money and he can do what he likes with it once it's above board and legal. I just don't think color should factor in here. He is bringing in Race to this, not us.

yes he is because it is those races that need help with the cost of going going to college in america

that doesnt make him racist it makes him practical

and by the way if i had come from a white trailer trash background and worked my way up to be worth millions and wanted to set up a fund to help other white trailer trash i wouldnt have any problem doing it

WindSock

This is sort of like saying a person who donates to a charity that favours African children are racist toward Irish children.

Morlar

PeakOutput wrote: »

you need to look at the figures they are hugely underrepresented at third level

You are assuming this is due to discrimination ?

There was a programme on last night about 'Race and intelligence' on ch4 showing that in 1997 when Berkely ca. changed their admissions policy to a colour-blind SAT score based system white admissions dropped, asian admissions increased to 40% of all students, black admissions also dropped to 3% (13% of americans are black).

This drop in black admissions was not racially motivated - it was based on admitting the highest scoring candidates regardless of race religion or creed. Low black admission levels are not necessarily a sign of discrimination. This new scholarship is racially discriminatory against white people.

Considering white people in america are the majority the numbers (not percentages) of economically deprived white people would be significant - they are the ones being discriminated against by this scholarship entitlement policy. If economically deprived black people were targeted for discrimination this would be an outcry - as it's white economically deprived - hey that's ok.

Mike 1972

pickarooney wrote: »

What about North-African (arab) Americans?

Apparently theyre included but not "Arab Americans" from the middle east ?

The wrong kind of Arabs dontcha know

markok84

jasonorr wrote: »

Nope, he's worth $58b, not $3.4t, you'd have to stack it up 60 times

God, I'm bored :D

damn me and my poor arithmetic!

walshb

WindSock wrote: »

This is sort of like saying a person who donates to a charity that favours African children are racist toward Irish children.

No, I think that is more "Charity begins at home".

toiletduck

I hear Apple users are excluded too.

SubrbanOblivion

Morlar wrote: »

There was a programme on last night about 'Race and intelligence' on ch4 showing that in 1997 when Berkely ca. changed their admissions policy to a colour-blind SAT score based system white admissions dropped, asian admissions increased to 40% of all students, black admissions also dropped to 3% (13% of americans are black).

I'm curious what the SAT test had to do with a show on race and intelligence? The SAT is purely based on what you've learned and how well you test, it's in no way a test of actual intelligence, just how much you've learned and studied.

Nodin

Morlar wrote: »

You are assuming this is due to discrimination ?

There (............) ok.

Aren't you leaving out where they highlighted that it was in fact societal factors that kept minority scores down, and not any racially linked physical element?

dlofnep

It's not racist. It's his money. He can do what he wants with it. He's distributing it to minorities who have less higher level education than their white counterparts. It's intent is probably to even out the playing field.

Are there white americans who are disadvantaged? Yes.

Does it make Bill Gates a racist for only reaching out to minorities? No.

Non-issue.

JimmyCrackCorn

Im black and im proud.

Still a non issue though. Its his money he could give it to half cast albinos and we can all moan and whine but its still his money.

Mike 1972

SubrbanOblivion wrote: »

I'm curious what the SAT test had to do with a show on race and intelligence? The SAT is purely based on what you've learned and how well you test, it's in no way a test of actual intelligence, just how much you've learned and studied.

The quality/funding of the school went to probably has a big influence too

ScumLord

I hate the way Americans say "African Americans" or "Irish Americans" or anything American, ye're none of them things, ye're all yanks. It's like their determined to maintain their racism by making sure everyones aware there are groups and those groups should keep to themselves.

SubrbanOblivion

Mike 1972 wrote: »

The quality/funding of the school went to probably has a big influence too

Oh it does, hugely. Test scores are considerably lower in poorer districts.

aDeener

JimmyCrackCorn wrote: »

Im black and im proud.

Still a non issue though. Its his money he could give it to half cast albinos and we can all moan and whine but its still his money.

And so you have every right to be, i'd be proud too if i had a 10" destroyer :pac:

Morlar

SubrbanOblivion wrote: »

I'm curious what the SAT test had to do with a show on race and intelligence? The SAT is purely based on what you've learned and how well you test, it's in no way a test of actual intelligence, just how much you've learned and studied.

You might be able to catch it on the 4od online player.

That segment of the programme (3-5 mins out of 1 hr) used berkely as an example of how a colour blind SAT Scores-based admissions system dropped the black admission level - but that the drop was not based to a policy of discrimination against black people.

It also dropped the white admission level.

Unless you feel that black people should take different tests to bump their scores ? How about white people who also score lower in comparison to asians ? Is that also due to some mythical inherent bias ?

Nodin wrote: »

Aren't you leaving out where they highlighted that it was in fact societal factors that kept minority scores down, and not any racially linked physical element?

That was the assertion of the programme yes. Though you will remember that the journalist was at pains to point out repeatedly that the majority of academia/researchers would not comment on this issue as it was too dangerous for them to do so. I did not include the parts at the beginning either, nor the parts in the middle. I referenced one 5 minute segment as that was the part which relates to this thread regarding admission levels in american academia when they are colour blind. ie they drop the white level, drop the black level and increase the asian level dramatically.

SubrbanOblivion

ScumLord wrote: »

I hate the way Americans say "African Americans" or "Irish Americans" or anything American, ye're none of them things, ye're all yanks. It's like their determined to maintain their racism by making sure everyones aware there are groups and those groups should keep to themselves.

What has racism got to do with people being proud of their heritage? What you state is not a dividing point.

SubrbanOblivion

Morlar wrote: »

Is that also due to some mythical inherent bias ?

Not at all, I was just curious why they used that particular type of testing example in a show about race and intelligence, when it is a test of education quality and advantages, not intelligence.

Morlar

SubrbanOblivion wrote: »

Not at all, I was just curious why they used that particular type of testing example in a show about race and intelligence, when it is a test of education quality and advantages, not intelligence.

I do not agree with your assessment of that.

5 candidates take the same exam 2 fail.

One is white and fails due to not meeting the required standard the black one fails due to 'education quality and advantages' ?

Or do they both fail due to 'education quality and advantages' ?

SubrbanOblivion

Morlar wrote: »

I do not agree with your assessment of that.

5 candidates take the same exam 2 fail.

One is white and fails due to not meeting the required standard the black one fails due to 'education quality and advantages' ?

Or do they both fail due to 'education quality and advantages' ?

I am talking about the appropriateness of using the SAT test as a measure of intelligence.

I'm not sure where you are getting all this.

therewillbe

I belive that in 20/25 years The White/European will be the minority in the US so if we are still here lets see if he does the same to ethnic minorities:mad:

Burning Eclipse

therewillbe wrote: »

I belive that in 20/25 years The White/European will be the minority in the US so if we are still here lets see if he does the same to ethnic minorities:mad:

You really don't get it do you. Whites are the minority in South Africa (when compared to indigenous blacks), but they're still the wealthiest. Whether your prediction comes true or not, I guarantee whites will still be the wealthiest in the US in 20/25 years time. This is about poverty, and helping those who haven't had the same chances as others, in many cases, due to their skin colour.