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Irish immigrant teenager bullied to death in the US.

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  • #62
    r3nu4l
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,392 ✭✭✭✭r3nu4l


    smegmar wrote: »
    she was not bullied to death she was mentally depressed. I hate the idea that bullies are at fault here, it so horribly PC and ignorant. I blame both the girl her parents for not teaching her how to resist a few insults. What ever happened to "sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me" Everyone was bullied at school (except maybe the bullies, but their uncle touched them) and we all have to get over it. Become stronger for it. Life isn't an easy ride of hugs and love we have to be ready for all the taunts and abuse we get.

    I think this is survival of the fittest in action. she wasn't able so she has been eliminated from the gene pool
    Hmmm, well you've already shown your ignorance of genetics in the Biology forum so don't mind me if I don't take anything you say seriously :rolleyes:


  • #63
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    TheZohan wrote: »
    If I could ban for idiotic posts I would certainly ban you, but I can't.

    I can however tell you not to post in this thread again.

    Thank God, my sensibilities couldn't take any more bullying.


  • #64
    Pedro K
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭Pedro K


    It's a tragic story, regardless of how anyone looks at it or calls it.

    Although we all accept step 1 isn't to go and hang yourself, we can all also accept that if you're being bullied you can find yourself in a very dark place, and it's very hard to get out of it. Sometimes it's very hard to explain to people around you what you're feeling.

    I can kind of see the point smegmar is trying to make, but he's done it in a particularly cold and callous manner. Stating that this girl couldn't deal with her abuse and as such her death is no loss to the gene pool is ridiculous IMO. By that same logic,should we kill off all the mentally retarded people in the world, as their genes are of no use to us? Ridiculous.

    The girls who bullied her need to be seriously punished, by the school, and more importantly, by the law. What they did is disgusting, illegal and totally unacceptable. And to be so cold as to post insulting messages on a memorial page!

    There was a thread on here about the two scummers who tortured the other two young lads in England. Many people were stating that some people are just scum, and always will be. Maybe some of these girls belong in that category.


  • #65
    davyjose
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    I'm not a violent person, but I'm a Dad, and I really don't get how these people still have their kneecaps.
    Not condoning violence, but by fcuk would i resort to it.


  • #66
    The HorsesMouth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 552 ✭✭✭The HorsesMouth


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    God, you come across some strange people on the internet. I often picture them at the keyboard, and wonder whether they're wearing nothing but a saucepan on their heads.

    Ha..I don't know why but that made me laugh so hard!

    I dont know about other people but if ever I see someone on their own or 'loners' I feel sorry for them straight away..How those bullies persisted in their torment while she was so sad and lonely is just beyond me...Do they understand that people get one chance for a life and they are deliberatly trying to make it hell...it just baffles me.....why bother?


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  • #67
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,190 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    Wagon wrote: »
    One of my parents had a cousin i think in Canada years ago. She was bullied frequently by a group of girls. One day a popular lad asked her to a dance, then got off with some other bird there, and took the piss out of her in front of everyone saying that he didnt like her at all and it was all just to make her look like a complete fool. Then she went home and shot herself.
    That is so sad .To think that the girl was humiliated and obioulsy traumatised enough because of some assholes hurtful comments that she went and shot herself .

    Not making light of this but the Film Carrie came to mind when reading through the thread .


  • #68
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Is this Glee club.............. oh sorry, wrong room (backs out)


  • #69
    Rented Mule
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,154 ✭✭✭Rented Mule


    dlofnep wrote: »
    http://www.truecrimereport.com/2010/01/phoebe_prince_15_commits_suici.php

    America, the land of opportunity huh? Poor girl. It must take a right evil set of bastards to push someone to suicide.

    Wow...a suicidal Irish teenager.

    That never happens in Ireland.


  • #70
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    smegmar wrote: »
    Hitler shot himself, should we be sympathetic??

    Godwin is manifesting himself in some very strange ways lately
    the_syco wrote: »
    I looked up how the IRA used guerrilla warfare and used something like it against those who bullied me.

    Where did you get the explosives ?


  • #71
    Thucydides
    Closed Accounts Posts: 47 ✭Thucydides


    smegmar wrote: »
    I think this is survival of the fittest in action. she wasn't able so she has been eliminated from the gene pool

    Very heartless if I do say so myself. Heaven's forbid if a brother or sister - or your own child for that matter - hung themselves like this poor girl. Somehow I don't think you'd be writing that in their obituary.

    The story itself reminds me of another bullying incident in the US in recent years. If I remember correctly, the mother of a bullied girl found out what the main bully's msn details were and - to get revenge for what she was putting her own daughter through - befriended her. She pretended she was some cool, sweet handsome boy at first. Then when the girl fell head over heels for this *boy* she had met on the internet, she then - while at all times still pretending to be this boy - turned on her. I think she had got the girl to send her all sort of revealing / embarrassing info.

    In any case, the (bully) girl killed herself. The mother was then put on trial. I can't remember how it ended. Though I do remember her being commonly referred to as 'the most hated women in America.'


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  • #72
    opinion guy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,000 ✭✭✭✭opinion guy


    Seems that the school admin have been completely ignoring the bullying issue.

    I for one think the bullies need to be formally punished. I mean isn't it some kind of crime to send people harassing messages etc ? I wouldn't normally say this, but posting abusive messages on her facebook memorial is just sick in the extreme.


  • #73
    NewFrockTuesday
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭NewFrockTuesday


    smegmar wrote: »
    Firstly: I'm not a troll.

    Secondly: as requested here is some smilies:):):D:p;):rolleyes::pac:

    Third: I was completely serious. I was bullied horribly, there was facebook, bebo and Myspace groups set up to insult me.All manner of physical and verbal abuse. So I know what she felt like. I'm not saying this for sympathy, In fact I'm glad I was bullied. It made me stronger. I on the other hand new how to deal with it.

    Some people just aren't strong enough to deal with all the troubles life has to offer. And life is full of them. Beyond the petty fallasy we have, this is still survival of the fittest, people die every day.

    and yes two of my friend have committed suicide I know how it feels.
    What a load of old crock.





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  • #74
    Stella777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 585 ✭✭✭Stella777


    I think it's obvious that this girl had some underlying depression. But to say, oh well, she should have gotten help is ignoring some important facts. She and her family were in a new country. Even if her parents were working it's more than possible they didn't have health insurance yet. Without insurance lots of doors would be closed in terms of getting mental health care.

    Yes, there are some free programs, but you have to know about them and they might not have been available to a non-citizen. In any case, they were in a foreign enivrornment and finding free services would have been harder than for a native.

    Yes, she could have gone to her parents. My guess is that the parents had their hands full trying to make it in a new country with 5 kids.

    The way many teens cope with bullying is by relying on their friends for support. Well, she hadn't been there long and probably didn't have a lot close friends she could really trust.

    It wasn't just a few incidents, but ongoing, relentless bullying that followed her from school into her home..She couldn't even walk down a road in peace FFS!


  • #75
    me_right_one
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,041 ✭✭✭me_right_one


    Why cant it be illegal to be immoral? eg. Bullying, lying, dishonesty etc. Isnt that the whole basis of the law?


  • #76
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    me_right_one wrote: »
    Why cant it be illegal to be immoral? eg. Bullying, lying, dishonesty etc. Isnt that the whole basis of the law?
    You're talking about Policing Thought vs. Policing the Act methinks.


  • #77
    me_right_one
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,041 ✭✭✭me_right_one


    Overheal wrote: »
    You're talking about Policing Thought vs. Policing the Act methinks.

    I know, but things change. You can now publish your thoughts on the internet, thus indirectly injuring the target by embarrasment if nothing else.


  • #78
    Minstrel27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,818 ✭✭✭Minstrel27


    Overheal wrote: »
    Keep your Yank Bashing Hate Speech and Spin out of it. How ****ing Dare you politicize the death of this Girl.

    Oh please. Stop making this something it's not.


  • #79
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,190 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    me_right_one wrote: »
    Why cant it be illegal to be eg. Bullying, lying, dishonesty etc. Isnt that the whole basis of the law?

    Richard Nixon although not convicted of any crime lost his presidency with Watergate because of lying and dishonesty .

    The recent bank scandals were dishonest and immoral yet nobodys brought to account .

    Bullying once it's proved should be considered illigal and a crime, specially if somebody has commited suicide because of .


  • #80
    Thucydides
    Closed Accounts Posts: 47 ✭Thucydides


    It's good to see a lively debate - some resonable points by both parties.

    However, Overheal, I think that your original post was very forward, if somewhat over the top and threatening in its use of language and tone toward dlofnep. Also, writing the whole post in bold - as with caps lock - is unnecessary.


  • #81
    Hazys
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,510 ✭✭✭Hazys


    dlofnep wrote: »
    Please don't dictate to me what I did and didn't want this thread to be. It was a gross case of bullying that pushed a young girl to suicide. No more, no less.

    Then why the comment "America, the land of opportunity huh?", if to you this was a simple case of bullying that happens in every school in the world, why did you take a swipe at america?


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  • #82
    Overheal
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    Thucydides wrote: »
    It's good to see a lively debate - some resonable points by both parties.

    However, Overheal, I think that your original post was very forward, if somewhat over the top and threatening in its use of language and tone toward dlofnep. Also, writing the whole post in bold - as with caps lock - is unnecessary.
    If I sound threatening than its only a transmission of how deeply offensive I found the tone of the original post.


  • #83
    GLaDOS
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,257 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    To say she was bullied to death isn't completely accurate in my opinion, without knowing the facts of her mental health etc it's hard to know if this was the only factor.

    And this type of bullying happens everywhere, I suspect some people are basing their knowledge of American school life on sitcoms. I've never been to America so I can't judge.

    I think the main fault lies with the school, from the sound of the article, this sort of class separation has been present for awhile, and through inactiont he school has practically encouraged it. By allowing this to become the norm, kids are going to think it is acceptable

    Not that I'm trying to defend the bullies: evil, insecure, shallow cows.

    Poor girl.

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  • #84
    TheZohanS
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    Guys stop bickering and please stay on topic.


  • #85
    Kirnsy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 970 ✭✭✭Kirnsy


    while the bullies may not have fully comprehended the hell they made this girl's life until she hanged herself, to leave degrading messages on her memorial page is sickening. what sort of people would do that? serious questions have to be asked about their mental capacities. this whole case makes me feel angry but so very sad.


  • #86
    KaiserMc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 143 ✭✭KaiserMc


    smegmar wrote: »
    Amateur psychology at it's best. except wrong.

    Hitler shot himself, should we be sympathetic?? Don't get me wrong I'm not saying she's a bad person. I'm sure she was a fantastic person with hopes dreams. She could have gone on to do so much and I wish she did. What I am saying, and many people get me wrong here, On the postmortem cause of death won't be "bullying". Yes, bullying was a huge factor, but she had so many options she didn't realize. It's everyones fault for not making those clear. She didn't talk to her parents, teachers, find activities where she might make friends. At 15 she had more hormones then a pharmaceutical company storehouse. She wasn't thinking straight, it's at that time when she needs someone to help.

    I'm not here to upset anyone. I'm sorry my ideas are radically different from everyone else. but I call it how I see it.
    Fellow ,you are all over the place with what you are saying .You are playing the deflection game now and playing it badly at that.


  • #87
    almostnever
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,768 ✭✭✭almostnever


    Dr. Feelgood wrote: »
    Those other girls don't even sound real. No one is that evil in real life.

    Oh,there are plenty of people like that in "real life",and even more who have the potential to be. It's a scary and uncomfortable thought.


  • #88
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    So in the article it says she briefly dated a senior football player....... is that GAA or soccer?


  • #89
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Look, I'm not going to continue bickering about this.

    My post was not intended to portray that all Americans bully foreigners, or that nationalities even mattered. The point was to highlight that the family moved from Ireland to make a better life for themselves in the US, but ultimately found nothing but sorrow.

    There is no political motive. My assessment of bullied to death is my assessment, and mine alone. I feel that when you push someone to not want to live anymore, you're directly responsible for their death. If you disagree with me, that's fine.

    It ends here. I'm not discussing it further. I really don't care what you feel my motives are. I posted because the story was on digg's front page, and felt angered that this poor girl wasn't afforded the chance to make a better life for herself.


  • #90
    TheZohanS
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    Thread tidied.

    Overheal please don't post in this thread again, you completely derailed it last time.

    Thread topic for discussion:
    Irish immigrant teenager bullied to death in the US.


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  • #91
    Wagon
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    Overheal wrote: »
    If I sound threatening than its only a transmission of how deeply offensive I found the tone of the original post.
    Genuine question here. How come in america the class system got to this degree? Because it's the reason this whole thing started. She didn't "know her place". you've got jocks, cheerleaders, emos, goths, mexicans, nerds, stoners... we have something like that here too but nowhere near to the same extent. how did it come about? do the teachers not discourage it?


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