Irish immigrant teenager bullied to death in the US.

dlofnep

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2010/01/phoebe_prince_15_commits_suici.php

America, the land of opportunity huh? Poor girl. It must take a right evil set of bastards to push someone to suicide.

My name is URL

I don't get the whole Jock vs Nerd thing that goes on in US schools.. it's fcuking retarded

Cookie_Monster

My name is URL wrote: »

I don't get the whole Jock vs Nerd thing that goes on in US schools.. it's fcuking retarded

NERD!!!

bonerm

Shíthole of a country. Yet another example of same.

Gone Drinking

What a bunch of cnuts

Smyth

My name is URL wrote: »

I don't get the whole Jock vs Nerd thing that goes on in US schools.. it's fcuking retarded

What?! It exist here too.

Misty Chaos

What's this, I don't even...

I swear, if one of my own future kids was to cause such an occurance at a school they were at, there'd be servre punishment from me. I'm talking about getting grounded, all electronics taken off them, locked into thier room and made do heavy chores.

Bullies need to have a tonne of bricks thrown on them, not ' rewarded ' for such behaviour! :mad:

wes

Bullies are pure scum, regardless of the country they come from.

WindSock

My name is URL wrote: »

I don't get the whole Jock vs Nerd thing that goes on in US schools.. it's fcuking retarded

I don't think that was a case of Jocks V Nerds. It was just a classic case of bullying. It happens here too.

WindSock

I think this comment on the page is quite good:

From what I read on other sites, the bullies were also angry that the guy one of them liked asked Prince to the dance.
Disgusting that the school allowed the winter dance to go on as planned, just two days after the suicide. Why not cancel it as a gesture of mourning...or, better yet, as punishment? In fact, why not get rid of it completely? Kids obviously cannot handle the intermingling of social hour and academics -- especially since their parents are disinterested in teaching them how to behave like civilized people -- and the school clearly cannot handle the fallout from bullying situations, which are exacerbated by such jealousy-inducing events.
Enough is enough! Let schools be places for learning...not some ridiculous haven for dance "royalty" and other vain displays of petty social hierarchy. Kids are nasty enough as it is; we don't need to fuel an already blazing fire with school-sponsored social time.

smegmar

she was not bullied to death she was mentally depressed. I hate the idea that bullies are at fault here, it so horribly PC and ignorant. I blame both the girl her parents for not teaching her how to resist a few insults. What ever happened to "sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me" Everyone was bullied at school (except maybe the bullies, but their uncle touched them) and we all have to get over it. Become stronger for it. Life isn't an easy ride of hugs and love we have to be ready for all the taunts and abuse we get.

I think this is survival of the fittest in action. she wasn't able so she has been eliminated from the gene pool

TheGod

smegmar wrote: »

she was not bullied to death she was mentally depressed. I hate the idea that bullies are at fault here, it so horribly PC and ignorant. I blame both the girl her parents for not teaching her how to resist a few insults. What ever happened to "sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me" Everyone was bullied at school (except maybe the bullies, but their uncle touched them) and we all have to get over it. Become stronger for it. Life isn't an easy ride of hugs and love we have to be ready for all the taunts and abuse we get.

I think this is survival of the fittest in action. she wasn't able so she has been eliminated from the gene pool

**** me that was cold.

There are contributary factors to her death and are in part responsible in the eyes of the law.

My name is URL

smegmar wrote: »

she was not bullied to death she was mentally depressed. I hate the idea that bullies are at fault here, it so horribly PC and ignorant. I blame both the girl her parents for not teaching her how to resist a few insults. What ever happened to "sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me" Everyone was bullied at school (except maybe the bullies, but their uncle touched them) and we all have to get over it. Become stronger for it. Life isn't an easy ride of hugs and love we have to be ready for all the taunts and abuse we get.

I think this is survival of the fittest in action. she wasn't able so she has been eliminated from the gene pool

Yeah, lots of people get bullied. And of course it happens here too

It's nowhere near as bad though.. In the US, social classes exist in schools, and the divide between classes is almost encouraged by the system

humanji

smegmar wrote: »

she was not bullied to death she was mentally depressed. I hate the idea that bullies are at fault here, it so horribly PC and ignorant. I blame both the girl her parents for not teaching her how to resist a few insults. What ever happened to "sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me" Everyone was bullied at school (except maybe the bullies, but their uncle touched them) and we all have to get over it. Become stronger for it. Life isn't an easy ride of hugs and love we have to be ready for all the taunts and abuse we get.

I think this is survival of the fittest in action. she wasn't able so she has been eliminated from the gene pool

Can you at least put a smiley after that to show that you're joking?

Caveat

smegmar wrote: »

she was not bullied to death she was mentally depressed. I hate the idea that bullies are at fault here, it so horribly PC and ignorant. I blame both the girl her parents for not teaching her how to resist a few insults. What ever happened to "sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me" Everyone was bullied at school (except maybe the bullies, but their uncle touched them) and we all have to get over it. Become stronger for it. Life isn't an easy ride of hugs and love we have to be ready for all the taunts and abuse we get.

I think this is survival of the fittest in action. she wasn't able so she has been eliminated from the gene pool

If this isn't a troll it's a very shallow, cruel and ill-informed post IMO.

Senna

smegmar wrote: »

I think this is survival of the fittest in action. she wasn't able so she has been eliminated from the gene pool

Pity you weren't bullied at school to the same degree. Our gene pool would do fine without you.

Manic Moran

Can you at least put a smiley after that to show that you're joking?

Although a little cold, (s)he is I think fundamentally correct. I don't know what the full background is that Prince felt she could not go to anyone, not even her parents, to seek help, redress, advice or any other such, but for most people, Step #1 is not to hang one's self.

Although the problem of the bullying at the school is evident and needs dealing with, it's a bit hard to really say they bullied her to death.

NTM

ixoy

smegmar wrote: »

Life isn't an easy ride of hugs and love we have to be ready for all the taunts and abuse we get.

I think this is survival of the fittest in action. she wasn't able so she has been eliminated from the gene pool

I sincerely hope your life is never touched by a suicide by someone depressed. These words would haunt you.

Dr. Feelgood

Those other girls don't even sound real. No one is that evil in real life.

Joey the lips

I think bully behaviour is everywhere. I think that teenagers need to be though to speak to there parents. I am guessing that there could of been underlying problems like "My mom and dad gave up everythying to bring me to the states - I cant tell them about this"

I was bullied terriable as a teenager. Its not easy. Its not the bullieing thats a problem its the fact that you are being put out on a pedestal for all to see. This is the part that kills you. I imagine this is the part that killed her. Mr popular asks her out. She feels great like she is settleing in. Then ms popular takes the p1ss out of her.

The exact same thing happens here. There is no point saying you get over it. You dont. You learn to deal with it through support of your parents and family.

I later learned that bullies come about through situations in there own life. Think about it. What is natural. To talk and get on with everyone or be a right bo11ix.

iw82

smegmar wrote: »

she was not bullied to death she was mentally depressed. I hate the idea that bullies are at fault here, it so horribly PC and ignorant. I blame both the girl her parents for not teaching her how to resist a few insults. What ever happened to "sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me" Everyone was bullied at school (except maybe the bullies, but their uncle touched them) and we all have to get over it. Become stronger for it. Life isn't an easy ride of hugs and love we have to be ready for all the taunts and abuse we get.

I think this is survival of the fittest in action. she wasn't able so she has been eliminated from the gene pool

Beyond ignorant...! I sincerely hope that you are not serious....

Stella777

At her age I was bullied and teased for being the only girl in the "nerd" math class.

But at least when I went home I could get away from it. These days it seems the bullying can continue 24/7 on Facebook/Myspace and with texting.

There was another similar suicide realted to Myspace a year or so ago. That case was worse IMO because it was actually *the mother* of one girl bullying another girl online. It's just pathetic that a full grown adult would stoop to that level.

The woman ended up being charged in the girl's death.

JimmyCrackCorn

smegmar wrote: »

she was not bullied to death she was mentally depressed. I hate the idea that bullies are at fault here, it so horribly PC and ignorant. I blame both the girl her parents for not teaching her how to resist a few insults. What ever happened to "sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me" Everyone was bullied at school (except maybe the bullies, but their uncle touched them) and we all have to get over it. Become stronger for it. Life isn't an easy ride of hugs and love we have to be ready for all the taunts and abuse we get.

I think this is survival of the fittest in action. she wasn't able so she has been eliminated from the gene pool

So now iv met the anti doctor Phil.

WindSock

How can you get bullied on facebook? Can you not just defriend someone who is a dick? Or is it that they set up hate groups?

kelle

WindSock wrote: »

How can you get bullied on facebook? Can you not just defriend someone who is a dick? Or is it that they set up hate groups?

You can send private messages to anybody on Facebook, I imagine that's how these pathetic excuses for human beings bullied this poor girl.

God help her, i hope she is at peace now. And that she can do awful things to those bullies from where she is....

Stella777

WindSock wrote: »

How can you get bullied on facebook? Can you not just defriend someone who is a dick? Or is it that they set up hate groups?

Yes. They set up hate groups, or entire FB/MS/ pages devoted to taunting the target.

dlofnep

WindSock wrote: »

How can you get bullied on facebook? Can you not just defriend someone who is a dick? Or is it that they set up hate groups?

According to the article, they abused her in person, sent her texts, sent her messages on facebook - and after she comitted suicide - they left hateful comments on a facebook page made in her memory.

On the day she committed suicide - she obviously had had enough, and was seriously depressed on her way home - only for the cnuts to drive past, call her a slut and hit her with a can.

Anyone who thinks that these bullies are not to blame for her suicide is seriously deluded. Anyone who has been bullied in school knows how horribly gutting it can be, which leaves you lacking one iota of self confidence and in a serious state of depression - often forcing children to quit school.

Manic Moran and Smegmar don't have a clue. This isn't the wild. We aren't gazelles surrounded by lions. It isn't survival of the fittest. This is modern fúcking society, and not the stone age. People who drive children into serious depression like this are totally to blame, and need to be punished.

Kold

Kelle 2 wrote: »

God help her, i hope she is at peace now. And that she can do awful things to those bullies from where she is....

Well she's dead so she's non existant now. Unless you're catholic, in which case she's in hell. Oops.

the_syco

smegmar wrote: »

What ever happened to "sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me"

They'd throw words at you in school, asnd stones at you outside of school. I acknowledged that the only way to stop bullies was random violence. I looked up how the IRA used guerrilla warfare and used something like it against those who bullied me.

I don't condone those who go down guns blazing in american schools, but I understand why they do it.

PatB71

smegmar wrote: »

she was not bullied to death she was mentally depressed. I hate the idea that bullies are at fault here, it so horribly PC and ignorant. I blame both the girl her parents for not teaching her how to resist a few insults. What ever happened to "sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me" Everyone was bullied at school (except maybe the bullies, but their uncle touched them) and we all have to get over it. Become stronger for it. Life isn't an easy ride of hugs and love we have to be ready for all the taunts and abuse we get.

I think this is survival of the fittest in action. she wasn't able so she has been eliminated from the gene pool

You may have been bullied but to what degree...you probably had good friends to fall back on for support,this is a 15 year old girl in a new country and as said before its not just confined to school hours anymore.Very easy to say "sticks and stones ..."but as we all know words do hurt.

I don`t seem to remember getting a lesson in resisting insults as a child and now as a parent I would be very grateful if you could direct me to one of your parenting seminars.

Myrddin

smegmar wrote: »

she was not bullied to death she was mentally depressed. I hate the idea that bullies are at fault here, it so horribly PC and ignorant. I blame both the girl her parents for not teaching her how to resist a few insults. What ever happened to "sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me" Everyone was bullied at school (except maybe the bullies, but their uncle touched them) and we all have to get over it. Become stronger for it. Life isn't an easy ride of hugs and love we have to be ready for all the taunts and abuse we get.

I think this is survival of the fittest in action. she wasn't able so she has been eliminated from the gene pool

Its the obligatory "Ill go against the grain & get thanked 30 times post"....except this one didnt quite pan out.

davyjose

Can we ignore the trolls please? Whenever something tragic occurs you'll always find a bunch of losers trying to get some much-needed attention.

smegmar

Firstly: I'm not a troll.

Secondly: as requested here is some smilies:):):D:p;):rolleyes::pac:

Third: I was completely serious. I was bullied horribly, there was facebook, bebo and Myspace groups set up to insult me.All manner of physical and verbal abuse. So I know what she felt like. I'm not saying this for sympathy, In fact I'm glad I was bullied. It made me stronger. I on the other hand new how to deal with it.

Some people just aren't strong enough to deal with all the troubles life has to offer. And life is full of them. Beyond the petty fallasy we have, this is still survival of the fittest, people die every day.

and yes two of my friend have committed suicide I know how it feels.

davyjose

smegmar wrote: »

Firstly: I'm not a troll.

Secondly: as requested here is some smilies:):):D:p;):rolleyes::pac:

Third: I was completely serious. I was bullied horribly, there was facebook, bebo and Myspace groups set up to insult me.All manner of physical and verbal abuse. So I know what she felt like. I'm not saying this for sympathy, In fact I'm glad I was bullied. It made me stronger. I on the other hand new how to deal with it.

Some people just aren't strong enough to deal with all the troubles life has to offer. And life is full of them. Beyond the petty fallasy we have, this is still survival of the fittest, people die every day.

and yes two of my friend have committed suicide I know how it feels.

I think it actually just fcuked you up a little.

WindSock

smegmar wrote: »

Third: I was completely serious. I was bullied horribly, there was facebook, bebo and Myspace groups set up to insult me.All manner of physical and verbal abuse. So I know what she felt like. I'm not saying this for sympathy, In fact I'm glad I was bullied. It made me stronger. I on the other hand new how to deal with it.

Some people just aren't strong enough to deal with all the troubles life has to offer. And life is full of them. Beyond the petty fallasy we have, this is still survival of the fittest, people die every day.

People can be strong enough to deal with troubles, in correct circumstances. ie, have the proper support and learn to overcome these things by their own self determinations. Not everyone has the ability or confidence at first, that is why support is necessary.

That survival of the fittest crap is bull**** by the way and makes your posts look cold.

You may have been bullies, hell we all may have. Did you just move to a new country where you knew no-one to turn to?

humanji

smegmar wrote: »

Firstly: I'm not a troll.

Secondly: as requested here is some smilies:):):D:p;):rolleyes::pac:

Third: I was completely serious. I was bullied horribly, there was facebook, bebo and Myspace groups set up to insult me.All manner of physical and verbal abuse. So I know what she felt like. I'm not saying this for sympathy, In fact I'm glad I was bullied. It made me stronger. I on the other hand new how to deal with it.

Some people just aren't strong enough to deal with all the troubles life has to offer. And life is full of them. Beyond the petty fallasy we have, this is still survival of the fittest, people die every day.

and yes two of my friend have committed suicide I know how it feels.

So you blame your two friends for being weak?

Caveat

Apart from everything else, the oft quoted "survival of the fittest" is probably one of the most misused phrases anyway.

It means fittest as in most appropriate/suitable, NOT, as in toughest, dog eat dog etc as smegmar and countless others seem to think.

smegmar

humanji wrote: »

So you blame your two friends for being weak?

I wish they came to me, talked to more people, sought ways to alleviate the pressures they felt.

They should be teaching in schools how to ignore and overcome bullying rather then this "no bully policy" crap. There will always be bullies, someone who thinks they're the biggest dick in the jungle, if you don't give them a reaction they leave you alone.

smegmar

Caveat wrote: »

Apart from everything else, the oft quoted "survival of the fittest" is probably one of the most misused phrases anyway.

It means fittest as in most appropriate/suitable, NOT, as in toughest, dog eat dog etc as smegmar and countless others seem to think.

in this case the most suitable adept are those that can pass through the bully's insults without taking it. not people who can physically beat up someone

humanji

smegmar wrote: »

I wish they came to me, talked to more people, sought ways to alleviate the pressures they felt.

They should be teaching in schools how to ignore and overcome bullying rather then this "no bully policy" crap. There will always be bullies, someone who thinks they're the biggest dick in the jungle, if you don't give them a reaction they leave you alone.

I'm beginning to think you haven't been bullied, because not reacting doesn't make them leave you alone. It makes them bully harder so that they get a reaction. The tv version where you stand up to them and they back down, doesn't happen in the real world.

KaiserMc

smegmar wrote: »

I think this is survival of the fittest in action. she wasn't able so she has been eliminated from the gene pool

It's obvious to me from your post..that you are a particularly cold individual ,probably a bully yourself.. who never received love or attention from his particularly cold and distant parents.You enjoy upsetting people as this is the type of attention that you thrive on..you may even find this sort of story funny due to your total lack of empathy.
Your whole comment is disturbing and way off the mark as far as I am concerned,I don't think the girl ever suffered from depression until she landed in the good old Usa, she was probably just too nice.
For me she is a Big loss to the gene pool..with regards a thick **** like you..who cares

Caveat

smegmar wrote: »

in this case the most suitable adept are those that can pass through the bully's insults without taking it. not people who can physically beat up someone

Struggling to make sense of this TBH - and I suspect you are backtracking now.

Wagon

smegmar wrote: »

I'm not saying this for sympathy, In fact I'm glad I was bullied. It made me stronger.

Yeah but not everyone has your balls of steel.

She was in a new country.
She was getting a lot of hassle for "not knowing her place".
I'm guessing she didn't have many friends (or at least ones she could trust) because 5 months in a new country isn't a lot of time to find them.
She didnt' want to tell her parents possibly because it's easier to just not talk.
Handsome chap asks her out.
She gets the piss taken out of her in school, at home, get things thrown at her etc...
And because she's 15, the 3 years until the end of school looks like its 10 time further away then it is.
So she hangs herself to end it.

One of my parents had a cousin i think in Canada years ago. She was bullied frequently by a group of girls. One day a popular lad asked her to a dance, then got off with some other bird there, and took the piss out of her in front of everyone saying that he didnt like her at all and it was all just to make her look like a complete fool. Then she went home and shot herself.

You can shove your "survival of the fittest" argument up your arse. It's the biggest pile of crap ive read here in a long time. If that was the case, then the fittest would be a bunch of self important little cúnts who think the world revolves around them. And yeah yeah, your crap about how the parents have a duty to educate their children on how to handle bullying, thats crap too. Shouldn't parents be raising their children to be good people? Like say, oh i dunno, the parents of the girls responsible for all the abuse?

ejmaztec

WindSock wrote: »

People can be strong enough to deal with troubles, in correct circumstances. ie, have the proper support and learn to overcome these things by their own self determinations. Not everyone has the ability or confidence at first, that is why support is necessary.

That survival of the fittest crap is bull**** by the way and makes your posts look cold.

You may have been bullies, hell we all may have. Did you just move to a new country where you knew no-one to turn to?

I see that she only moved over there from Clare last year, which probably means that she was still going through the shock of moving to a completely alien society, then also having to put up with the crap from the queen bitches. This combination is enough to weaken anyone's resolve.

smegmar

KaiserMc wrote: »

It's obvious to me from your post..that you are a particularly cold individual ,probably a bully yourself.. who never received love or attention from his particularly cold and distant parents.You enjoy upsetting people as this is the type of attention that you thrive on..you may even find this sort of story funny due to your total lack of empathy.
Your whole comment is disturbing and way off the mark as far as I am concerned,I don't think the girl ever suffered from depression until she landed in the good old Usa, she was probably just too nice.
For me she is a Big loss to the gene pool..with regards a thick **** like you..who cares

Amateur psychology at it's best. except wrong.

Hitler shot himself, should we be sympathetic?? Don't get me wrong I'm not saying she's a bad person. I'm sure she was a fantastic person with hopes dreams. She could have gone on to do so much and I wish she did. What I am saying, and many people get me wrong here, On the postmortem cause of death won't be "bullying". Yes, bullying was a huge factor, but she had so many options she didn't realize. It's everyones fault for not making those clear. She didn't talk to her parents, teachers, find activities where she might make friends. At 15 she had more hormones then a pharmaceutical company storehouse. She wasn't thinking straight, it's at that time when she needs someone to help.

I'm not here to upset anyone. I'm sorry my ideas are radically different from everyone else. but I call it how I see it.

WindSock

And she is of no loss to the gene pool because she didn't get help?

dlofnep

smegmar wrote: »

Amateur psychology at it's best. except wrong.

Hitler shot himself, should we be sympathetic?? Don't get me wrong I'm not saying she's a bad person. I'm sure she was a fantastic person with hopes dreams. She could have gone on to do so much and I wish she did. What I am saying, and many people get me wrong here, On the postmortem cause of death won't be "bullying". Yes, bullying was a huge factor, but she had so many options she didn't realize. It's everyones fault for not making those clear. She didn't talk to her parents, teachers, find activities where she might make friends. At 15 she had more hormones then a pharmaceutical company storehouse. She wasn't thinking straight, it's at that time when she needs someone to help.

I'm not here to upset anyone. I'm sorry my ideas are radically different from everyone else. but I call it how I see it.

Oh, so you're a qualified psychologist now?

How do you know she had moral support? She might not have had any friends. Her parents could have been at work all day when she got home. She might not have been the type of person who wanted to share her burdens with other people.

Fact of the matter is the bullies are responsible for her behaviour. If they didn't bully her, she would be still alive.

WindSock

In fairness dflonep, she brought it on herself by being weak. She shoulda manned up.

smegmar

Oscar Wilde once said :"Nobody can make you feel bad without your own consent"

Sanjuro

smegmar wrote: »

she was not bullied to death she was mentally depressed. I hate the idea that bullies are at fault here, it so horribly PC and ignorant. I blame both the girl her parents for not teaching her how to resist a few insults. What ever happened to "sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me" Everyone was bullied at school (except maybe the bullies, but their uncle touched them) and we all have to get over it. Become stronger for it. Life isn't an easy ride of hugs and love we have to be ready for all the taunts and abuse we get.

I think this is survival of the fittest in action. she wasn't able so she has been eliminated from the gene pool

You sir, are an idiot.

WindSock

Oscar Wilde said a lot of things. Doesn't mean they translate to other people realities.