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Krystle used cash settlement to avoid closure over discrimination

  • 28-01-2010 03:16PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭


    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0128/1224263290409.html

    A JUDGE threatened to close down Krystle nightclub in Dublin yesterday for having “blackguarded” a member of the Traveller community.

    District Court Judge John O’Neill said Sarah Stokes had acted in a ladylike manner on the night of August 7th, 2009, when the Harcourt Street club refused to admit her to a charity event for which she had bought a €30 ticket.

    Barrister Kevin Healy, for Ms Stokes, said she and a dozen friends had attended the fund-raising function in Krystle for Brainwave, the Irish Epilepsy Association charity, and her hand had been stamped at the entrance on arrival.

    Later she had adjourned with two friends through a side door to Dicey Riley’s bar, in the same building, but when returning to Krystle found the side door locked and had gone to the main entrance for readmission, which had been refused.

    Ms Stokes, of Cherrywood Park, Clondalkin, who sought compensation under the Intoxicating Liquor Act, said the doorman ignored the stamp on her hand and simply said “sorry” before totally ignoring her.

    “I am a member of the Travelling community and I am taking this case because I believe I was discriminated against,” she told Mr Healy.

    Club doorman Paul Melia said he had stopped Ms Stokes because she was wearing very high heels and he was concerned for her safety and the safety of other patrons. He denied in cross-examination by Mr Healy that the defence he was putting forward was a disguise to cover discrimination against a member of the Traveller community.

    Judge O’Neill rose to allow talks with Triglen Holdings Ltd, which trades as Krystle nightclub. When told there had been no progress the judge said: “I am absolutely satisfied that because they did not like the look of Ms Stokes, she was discriminated against and I am going to make a closure order against the club. The court may be persuaded to take a more lenient view if Ms Stokes were to be compensated.’’

    “This lady was absolutely blackguarded and I have no evidence other than that she was absolutely ladylike on the night. I take a very dim view of the club’s attitude,” he said.

    Following further talks Mr Healy said a settlement had been reached.


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    Delighted for the bastards! I'm sick of these ****ing bouncers taking their power trips and stopping people going into clubs. I hope she takes them to the cleaners! The poor woman had paid for a chairty event and all. Boooo Krystle.

    If this is in wrong place...move it. Or merge if elsewhere! :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,755 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    Roro4Brit wrote: »

    Following further talks Mr Healy said a settlement had been reached.

    Its not going to close.

    €5k plus legal cost is what was reported


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    I'd love to see that place been shut down.. just to piss off the wannabe socialites


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭genericguy


    the power some people think they have when they wear a clip-on tie...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    How does she know he wouldn't let her in because she was a traveller?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 225 ✭✭TheGod


    I'd love to see that place been shut down.. just to piss off the wannabe socialites

    Its mostly Polish people that go actually.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,033 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    oh my god, oh my god, oh my god

    like where am i going meet the guys for drinks now like

    soooo not cool

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭Roro4Brit


    Its not going to close.

    €5k plus legal cost is what was reported

    Damn, just ruined my day. I would love them to have to close, even for a short period of time. Just to put a stop to their utter bull ****. I went there with 8 mates before xmas, had been in the morgan pervious, all had 2/3 drinks each, we knew loads of people who were having a semi-work social there so we all went up. The bouncer said two of my mates were too drunk as someone said something funny getting out of the taxi and we were laughing our tits off. Well sorry Mr. Bouncer for having a good time on a night out. Maybe next time we'll walk around with sticks up our arse like the usual clientele that go there.

    I'm such a bastard of a friend I went in anyways :D but it wasnt the same knowing we all couldnt get in. :mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    That's bullsh!t, reverse discrimination.

    Bloody judge is afraid to make a proper call. Lot of people get refused it clubs and they're not travellers. Get over it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,066 ✭✭✭✭omb0wyn5ehpij9


    I'd love to see that place been shut down..

    Agreed, it's a dump!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭Roro4Brit


    TheZohan wrote: »
    That's bullsh!t, reverse discrimination.

    Bloody judge is afraid to make a proper call. Lot of people get refused it clubs and they're not travellers. Get over it.


    This is different. She had paid for an event which she had already been in attendence at. This is discrimination, pure and simple!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41 Solvo Slep


    Thread title is inaccurate. I feel like I've been lied to.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Roro4Brit wrote: »
    Club doorman Paul Melia said he had stopped Ms Stokes because she was wearing very high heels
    WindSock wrote: »
    How does she know he wouldn't let her in because she was a traveller?

    Her shoe's were obviously made by Hugo Boss :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    To be fair, she paid for a ticket.. and I'm sure she wasn't the only girl wearing high heels


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    I wouldn't let someone from Clondalkin in either tbh


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭Roro4Brit


    Solvo Slep wrote: »
    Thread title is inaccurate. I feel like I've been lied to.

    I'm sorry! I thought the case was still in progress! :o

    Can I edit it somehow?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭techdiver


    TheZohan wrote: »
    That's bullsh!t, reverse discrimination.

    Bloody judge is afraid to make a proper call. Lot of people get refused it clubs and they're not travellers. Get over it.

    That may be so, but clubs need to provide valid evidence as to why a person was not permitted entrance. It's well know that this place has a delusion of grandeur about it.

    Maybe this kick in the arse will bring it back to earth and perhaps the staff will behave more appropriately towards members of the paying public.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    Roro4Brit wrote: »
    This is different. She had paid for an event which she had already been in attendence at. This is discrimination, pure and simple!


    How do you know?

    What's to say that she didn't go off for more booze and when she came back she was unsteady on her feet?

    I've been to that club a good few times and there are stairs to navigate, if the bouncers let people in and that person falls it's the clubs rsponsibility.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭General Zod


    Pity a judge couldn't order it demolished brick by brick.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭Roro4Brit


    Some posters think they are just so so funny. I hate feebleminded humour.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    You can tell that some people are travellers by their accents and perhaps crucifix jewellery (well, I do anyway). It doesn't mean that is why she was refused re-entry though. It may have been the case, but it also may not have been,

    Either way, the doorman is a dick for not letting her in when she had paid.

    If it was a case of traveller discrimination then fair enough, but it isn't clear that it is.

    Just because she was a Traveller and refused entry doesn't mean she was refused entry for being a Traveller.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭techdiver


    TheZohan wrote: »
    How do you know?

    What's to say that she didn't go off for more booze and when she came back she was unsteady on her feet?

    I've been to that club a good few times and there are stairs to navigate, if the bouncers let people in and that person falls it's the clubs rsponsibility.

    The bouncer did not make that claim, thats why. His only reasoning was the high heals.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭Roro4Brit


    TheZohan wrote: »
    How do you know?

    What's to say that she didn't go off for more booze and when she came back she was unsteady on her feet?

    I've been to that club a good few times and there are stairs to navigate, if the bouncers let people in and that person falls it's the clubs rsponsibility.


    Don't even give me that ****. This is Krsytle. The female clientele here are practically walking on stilts, every one of them. It's quite possibly the most stupid thing I've ever heard come out of one of those knuckle dragger's mouth.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    techdiver wrote: »
    The bouncer did not make that claim, thats why. His only reasoning was the high heals.

    He did say that her heels were too high, bouncers are responsible for the well being of patrons in a club, he made a health and safety call. So what?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,175 ✭✭✭Red_Marauder


    Look, to be perfectly honest, if I ran Krystle I wouldn't want a traveller drinking in there.
    I personally have no grudge against travellers or people from Clondalkin who more importantly sound like they're from Clondalkin. I don't care less about them than I care for anybody else.

    But if I were to put my business hat on - if we all were to - the simple fact is that to admit these people into a nightclub where people frequent to be part of the Dublin social scene would be commercial suicide.

    It's impossible to run a high profile nightclub (whatever you think of it) and be totally non-discriminatory in practice. You'd run yourself out of business. Don't lets all kid each other to say 'i'd be the bigger man'.

    Personally, no I wouldn't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭Roro4Brit


    TheZohan wrote: »
    He did say that her heels were too high, bouncers are responsible for the well being of patrons in a club, he made a health and safety call. So what?

    Cos as he said it, I would be my annual salary that 10 more girls walked past the girl in the same, or even higher heels.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    So the court case ruled the excuse was bollocks. Tough luck bouncer-man.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,467 ✭✭✭Wazdakka


    R.O.A.R

    Every club, pub, event has it.
    You don't need a reason.

    This bitch is just looking for her 15 min in the spotlight and to scam a couple of quid as far as I can see.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Wazdakka wrote: »
    R.O.A.R

    Every club, pub, event has it.
    You don't need a reason.

    This bitch is just looking for her 15 min in the spotlight and to scam a couple of quid as far as I can see.

    Yeah, just like that pesky Rosa Parks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,155 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    Roro4Brit wrote: »
    I went in anyways :D but it wasnt the same knowing we all couldnt get in. :mad:
    This is the type of **** that means everyone who goes to these places get exactly what they deserve. Someone turns me away, or any of my group, from the door for no good reason they don't get my custom, and they don't get it in the future either.

    I hate Copper's, think it's a ****hole full of retards. Know how many times I've been there? Twice. The second time was to give it a fair chance. The amount of people who complain about it over and over and then go back every week are the reason most of the nightclubs in Dublin are so ****. Why would the nightclub owners want to improve standards? People prove repeatedly that they will keep giving them their custom, regardless of what they do

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,494 ✭✭✭citizen_p


    ive been refused like that once or twice...its just she pulled out the minority card


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