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And the justice system shows how f**ked up it is...

  • 26-01-2010 07:05PM
    #1
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,310 ✭✭✭✭


    http://news.eircom.net/breakingnews/17200103/?view=Standard
    Justice Minister Dermot Ahern should be told about the lack of support for crime victims, a judge said today.
    Beyond the taking of an impact statement from a Garda, there was no help afforded to victims in many cases, the proceedings also heard.

    Judge Leonard said the court would have little sympathy for the accused, who is due to start a training course, from which he will earn €100 a week. The youth, a first time offender, was remanded on continuing bail for sentencing in July.

    Garda Mark O'Brien, of Howth station, had told the court that the 13-year-old victim had been crossing a road when the accused "struck him in the face." The boy received a punch to the nose and had to go to Temple Street Children's Hospital. Garda O'Brien also said that the teenage defendant "thought he was some lad he had a previous altercation with and after he realised his mistake, he went back to apologise."
    So... the scumbag gets a training course that pays €100 a week for punching someone in the nose, and the vivtim
    has had an operation and would have to undergo further surgery to his nose.

    Judge Leonard said the victim had been "traumatised", "he does not go out now and suffers headaches" as a result of the attack.

    Personally, I'd advocate violence against the scumbag. That, or dip him in chocolate and throw him to the priests.


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  • #2
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    the_syco wrote: »
    http://news.eircom.net/breakingnews/17200103/?view=Standard



    So... the scumbag gets a training course that pays €100 a week for punching someone in the nose, and the vivtim
    My reading was the scumbag Accused would be paying out:

    "As part of the six-month action plan, it has been agreed that the defendant, who was also accompanied to his case by his mother, would pay €1,500 in compensation, obey a nightly curfew, attend anger management counselling and not consume alcohol."

    Cherrypick much?


  • #3
    popebenny16
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,461 ✭✭✭popebenny16


    actually, in Ireland the judiciary throw young offenders into jail a lot faster than their UK counterparts and the gardai bring more to court in the first place

    have a look at the case last week of the two boys who tortured and sexually assaulted the other two boys and see how many cautions, civil obedience contracts and other ineffective sanctions they were given before they eventually got jail


  • #4
    kumate_champ07
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭kumate_champ07


    its best to get these young offenders/kids into some kind of education, sending them into a young offenders prison usually results in them becoming a 'career' criminal


  • #5
    Overheal
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    kumate_champ07 wrote: »
    its best to get these young offenders/kids into some kind of education, sending them into a young offenders prison usually results in them becoming a 'career' criminal
    We also sell a lot of handscraped hardwood floors here at the store: handscraped by the Prison System.

    Gives them money when they get out. Makes it less likely they re-offend.


  • #6
    sock puppet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭sock puppet


    It's his first offence. By your logic pretty much everyone in Ireland is a scumbag having done something illegal at some point in their lives.


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  • #7
    Overheal
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    sock puppet wrote: »
    It's his first offence. By your logic pretty much everyone in Ireland is a scumbag having done something illegal at some point in their lives.
    Remember Colm Meaney in that one movie? With Colin Farrel?

    Yeah.


  • #8
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    the_syco wrote: »
    So... the scumbag gets a training course that pays €100 a week for punching someone in the nose

    The article doesn't say that he is getting the €100 a week training course as a consequence of his actions. :mad:
    Judge Leonard said the court would have little sympathy for the accused, who is due to start a training course, from which he will earn €100 a week.


  • #9
    Overheal
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    dvpower wrote: »
    The article doesn't say that he is getting the €100 a week training course as a consequence of his actions. :mad:
    Right: it could easily be read that the kid was about to start a training program on his own, before he decided to punch the young lad in the face. Nothing in the article says the court was putting him on a program that would pay out €100/wk. In Fact, in the same sentence it says the Court will take little sympathy on the 17-year old - stands to reason theres an implication he may now be ineligible for that course.


  • #10
    AckwelFoley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    10 mins

    &

    a dark room



    mmmmm


  • #11
    Hyperbullet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭Hyperbullet


    invalidusername wrote: »
    10 mins

    &

    a dark room



    mmmmm

    Father O Brien is that you?


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  • #12
    johnlo
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    I wouldn't be suprised if the arch bishop was there


  • #13
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    There's killers been sentenced to 6 years in this country and you draw attention to minor issue like this?

    He got punched once in the face ffs!


  • #14
    popebenny16
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,461 ✭✭✭popebenny16


    kumate_champ07 wrote: »
    its best to get these young offenders/kids into some kind of education, sending them into a young offenders prison usually results in them becoming a 'career' criminal

    not to mention the fact that we have to have "drug free" wings of prisons.

    i personally feel that you have to give proper schooling and a training for a trade within the juvenile offenders system otherwise they'll just come out and fall into the same traps again.

    its easy to say, "dark room" or other such stuff, but that makes you no better than the guy who punched the victim in this case. what will it teach him anyway? that to get something you punch someone. great lesson.


  • #15
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    invalidusername wrote: »
    10 mins

    &

    a dark room



    mmmmm
    Looking for this?


  • #16
    T-Square
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 755 ✭✭✭T-Square


    kumate_champ07 wrote: »
    its best to get these young offenders/kids into some kind of education, sending them into a young offenders prison usually results in them becoming a 'career' criminal

    I suggest they get the "industrial schools" up and running again
    to deal with these scum.

    Make sure they are run by priests too.


  • #17
    bolders
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 ✭bolders


    Maybe that's the way to deal with some of the problems ..

    Russian police...


    Makes You think twice b4 You'll come up with stupid idea of messing around

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-c8Ztd7WCk


  • #18
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    the_syco wrote: »
    http://news.eircom.net/breakingnews/17200103/?view=Standard



    So... the scumbag gets a training course that pays €100 a week for punching someone in the nose, and the vivtim


    Personally, I'd advocate violence against the scumbag. That, or dip him in chocolate and throw him to the priests.

    You should apply for a job in The Daily Mail.


  • #19
    Celly Smunt
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    young offenders should be sent to workhouses ran by priests,prison's too good.


  • #20
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    invalidusername wrote: »
    10 mins

    &

    a dark room



    mmmmm

    Photography...?:confused:

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #21
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Dark rooms? Lock 'em up with peado priests?

    For f*cks sake lads - the guy.. a teenager, punched someone.. another teenager, in the face.. that's all?!!! Jesus H - a bit of perspective wouldn't go amiss.


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  • #22
    jumpguy
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    The OP reeks of lies by omission...

    Isn't it fair enough the defendant seems to be taking reform? He's starting a training course, won't consume alcohol, etc?


  • #23
    bolders
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 ✭bolders


    starbelgrade wrote: »
    Dark rooms? Lock 'em up with peado priests?

    For f*cks sake lads - the guy.. a teenager, punched someone.. another teenager, in the face.. that's all?!!! Jesus H - a bit of perspective wouldn't go amiss.

    Today its punching someone in the nose.
    Tomorrow it's steeling grandma's wallet
    In a week time drug dealing
    In a month stabbing someone with a knife in the back

    Sorry mate but in many cases that's how it starts .


    Rudolph W. Giulian was right with his zero tolerance for crime rule




    In his first term as mayor, Giuliani, in conjunction with New York City Police Department Commissioner Bill Bratton, adopted an aggressive enforcement-deterrent strategy based on James Q. Wilson's "Broken Windows" approach. This involved crackdowns on relatively minor offenses such as graffiti, turnstile jumping, marijuana possession, and aggressive "squeegeemen", on the theory that this would send a message that order would be maintained.


  • #24
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    bolders wrote: »
    Today its punching someone in the nose.
    Tomorrow it's steeling grandma's wallet
    In a week time drug dealing
    In a month stabbing someone with a knife in the back

    Sorry mate but in many cases that's how it starts .


    Rudolph W. Giulian was right with his zero tolerance for crime rule

    Ever consider a job writing for the tabloids or researching for TV3?


  • #25
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    bolders wrote: »

    In his first term as mayor, Giuliani, in conjunction with New York City Police Department Commissioner Bill Bratton, adopted an aggressive enforcement-deterrent strategy based on James Q. Wilson's "Broken Windows" approach. This involved crackdowns on relatively minor offenses such as graffiti, turnstile jumping, marijuana possession, and aggressive "squeegeemen", on the theory that this would send a message that order would be maintained.[/I]

    If you're going to quote from Wikipedia, you should at least aknowledge your references.

    You might also do well, when in quoting articles to support your viewpoint, to also read the entire article, as it also says on the same page...

    "A small nationwide drop in crime preceded Giuliani's election, and critics say that he may have been the beneficiary of a trend already in progress. Additional contributing factors to the overall decline in crime during the 1990s were federal funding of an additional 7,000 police officers and an overall improvement in the national economy. Changing demographics were a key factor contributing to crime rate reductions, which were similar across the country during this time.[53] Because the crime index is based on that of the FBI, which is self-reported by police departments, some have alleged that crimes were shifted into categories that the FBI doesn't collect.[54]"


  • #26
    bolders
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 ✭bolders


    starbelgrade wrote: »
    Ever consider a job writing for the tabloids or researching for TV3?


    No , not really . But it drives me crazy when I can't go to park with my GF because there is a bunch of ****in scumbags messing around .

    They think that

    Throwing bottels at poeple
    Drinking alcohol at 4Pm
    Shouting
    Destroying benches

    is funny


    Listen I'm not angel myself but that kind of behaviour is really annoying when after pulling 10 h shift You just wanna relax .

    Yes I agree to it . But You have to admit that 16 years old doesn't just wake up one day and decides to commit a murder.
    It all starts with small things .


  • #27
    starbelgrade
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    bolders wrote: »
    But it drives me crazy when I can't go to park with my GF

    Is that a euphamism?


  • #28
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    bolders wrote: »
    No , not really . But it drives me crazy when I can't go to park with my GF because there is a bunch of ****in scumbags messing around .

    They think that

    Throwing bottels at poeple
    Drinking alcohol at 4Pm
    Shouting
    Destroying benches

    is funny


    Listen I'm not angel myself but that kind of behaviour is really annoying when after pulling 10 h shift You just wanna relax .

    Yes I agree to it . But You have to admit that 16 years old doesn't just wake up one day and decides to commit a murder.
    It all starts with small things .

    "Yay! The snow has melted! We can go out again... I don't like the looka them teenagers..."
    - Abraham J "Grampa" Simpson

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #29
    bolders
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 ✭bolders


    starbelgrade wrote: »
    Is that a euphamism?

    You mean euphemism ?


    No , it's not .


  • #30
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    bolders wrote: »
    You mean euphemism ?

    Cooeeey... someone can Google.


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  • #31
    fonecrusher1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,985 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    It you think this is bad you should check out; http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055806591

    Honestly what you're going on about is nothing compared to the depravity described in the article linked to the above thread.


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