Women in high heels

Shinyboots · 19-01-2010 05:21PM

L31mr0d wrote: »

Would you agree that some women feel more confident when they wear heels?

yea Id agree with that!

Sapsorrow · 19-01-2010 09:57PM

Of course high heels can look sexy and sophisticated if it's the right pair of shoes and on the right woman.

http://www.mobilisdirect.com/neen/cms/library-media/images/high-heels-250x250.jpg

Fairly inoffesnive and pretty I'd say..

I've never worn heels myself I'm 5ft10 so don't need them and they're just not my style anyway (I also like dancing way to much to let a pair of shoes impede me on the dancefloor!) so I too am a bit mystified by the whole high heel obsession.

The problem as I see it is the obsession with the really manky trashy looking shoes to match equally trashy manky handbags and bad hairdo's that I'll never understand. Also imo the higher the heel the trashier they're likely to look.

for example: http://www.misshighheel.com/boots-del3005.html
http://www.elegantheels.co.uk/high_heels.jpg

Hideous right!?

I think a lot of girls like them cos they make you look a damn site skinnier than you really are which is always a bonus on a night out I suppose.

Herbal Deity · 19-01-2010 10:06PM

shellyboo wrote: »

Some women don't require heels to feel confident but wear them anyway... that's the point I'm making. Just because a woman decides to wear heels doesn't make her a sheep, or lacking in confidence - which seems to be what you're both implying.

No they're not. You're completely and utterly twisting their words in order to find offense

amacachi is not attracted to girls who derive confidence from wearing heels/other items of clothing.

He's entitled to be attracted to whoever he likes.

He has not in any way implied that every girl who wears heels does so in order to derive confidence or that they are necessarily lacking in confidence in any way.

Shinyboots · 20-01-2010 09:53AM

khrystyna100 wrote: »

Of course high heels can look sexy and sophisticated if it's the right pair of shoes and on the right woman.

http://www.mobilisdirect.com/neen/cms/library-media/images/high-heels-250x250.jpg

Fairly inoffesnive and pretty I'd say..

I've never worn heels myself I'm 5ft10 so don't need them and they're just not my style anyway (I also like dancing way to much to let a pair of shoes impede me on the dancefloor!) so I too am a bit mystified by the whole high heel obsession.

The problem as I see it is the obsession with the really manky trashy looking shoes to match equally trashy manky handbags and bad hairdo's that I'll never understand. Also imo the higher the heel the trashier they're likely to look.

for example: http://www.misshighheel.com/boots-del3005.html
http://www.elegantheels.co.uk/high_heels.jpg

Hideous right!?

I think a lot of girls like them cos they make you look a damn site skinnier than you really are which is always a bonus on a night out I suppose.

no way, i dont have a problem with them at all!

L31mr0d · 20-01-2010 11:49AM

shellyboo wrote: »

I believe I just said that myself...

Correct. So you in turn agree that some women feel less confident when they aren't wearing heels.

This is amacachi's and my point, that women who derive confidence from wearing heels are not as attractive to us as women who have this confidence already without heels.

You can't argue our point since you have admitted you agree with it.

star-pants · 20-01-2010 11:51AM

L31mr0d wrote: »

This is amacachi's and my point, that women who derive confidence from wearing heels are not as attractive to us as women who have this confidence already without heels.

So (just wondering) where do ye stand on women who wear heels because they want to/goes with outfit, i.e. nothing to do with confidence boosting.
They have confidence in whatever footwear their choose.

I for example, don't wear footwear to boost my confidence, I wear what I want and what I'm in the mood for.
Oh and I don't do 'fashion trends', I couldn't care less, I know what I like and I go with that.

L31mr0d · 20-01-2010 12:06PM

star-pants wrote: »

So (just wondering) where do ye stand on women who wear heels because they want to/goes with outfit, i.e. nothing to do with confidence boosting.

Well I already said, my OH wears heels to formal events, etc

I think the point here is perspective. Heels are neither attractive or unattractive to me. They get bunched in with excessive makeup, fake tan, pushup bras and other aids some women use to change their visual appearance to alter the perception of them by others.

I find the lack of these aids more appealing. A woman who does not need to alter or conceal their true appearance from others is a lot more attractive to me than an individual who does.

Malari · 20-01-2010 12:36PM

L31mr0d wrote: »

Well I already said, my OH wears heels to formal events, etc

I think the point here is perspective. Heels are neither attractive or unattractive to me. They get bunched in with excessive makeup, fake tan, pushup bras and other aids some women use to change their visual appearance to alter the perception of them by others.

I find the lack of these aids more appealing. A woman who does not need to alter or conceal their true appearance from others is a lot more attractive to me than an individual who does.

I don't know about this. I think the things you mention are arbitrary. Sure, I accept that you wouldn't find these things attractive, but there's very little that people can do that wouldn't alter their true appearance. What about brushing/cutting/colouring your hair? Almost every item of clothing that a woman choses to wear is an aid to alter the perception of them by others.

L31mr0d · 20-01-2010 12:49PM

Malari wrote: »

Almost every item of clothing that a woman choses to wear is an aid to alter the perception of them by others.

They are arbitrary, yes

did I insinuate they weren't?

It comes down to form over function I guess. As soon as the function becomes redundant in favour of form solely I no longer find that attractive.

I accept that women do alter their appearance by their clothing, hair... etc. But these serve a function out of necessity. Superfluous visual alterations that serve no function other than attempting to alter how an individual is perceived are not attractive to me.

star-pants · 20-01-2010 12:54PM

L31mr0d wrote: »

I find the lack of these aids more appealing. A woman who does not need to alter or conceal their true appearance from others is a lot more attractive to me than an individual who does.

That's grand, I guess I meant more that those who find heels an aid to boosting confidence, how do they separate those that are using them as an aid, to those that aren't?
Purely curiosity, because I fully understand people are attracted to different things. I myself have odd quirks regarding whether a guy is attractive or not to me.

amacachi · 20-01-2010 01:08PM

star-pants wrote: »

That's grand, I guess I meant more that those who find heels an aid to boosting confidence, how do they separate those that are using them as an aid, to those that aren't?
Purely curiosity, because I fully understand people are attracted to different things. I myself have odd quirks regarding whether a guy is attractive or not to me.

We're talking in generalities, so it's not perfect. Also I feel we're being asked to over-rationalise what we're saying. If you rationalise pretty much anything down to a certain level it starts making things seem different than they are, eg that I "look down" on women who wear high-heels.
For example if I went into the Ladies Lounge and someone said they didn't find beards attractive (obviously this wouldn't happen) and I asked why, the more I ask them to rationalise their reasons the more pre-conceptions and misconceptions will show up, despite them not being the main reason for someone holding the opinion.

I'm not really arsed with this thread anymore, so I'll say this and leave it, 99% of the time I prefer women wearing very little or no make-up and plain clothes. I don't think they're "better" than other females, just that those things tend to be signs of personality traits that I happen to like.

Malari · 20-01-2010 01:39PM

amacachi wrote: »

99% of the time I prefer women wearing very little or no make-up and plain clothes. I don't think they're "better" than other females, just that those things tend to be signs of personality traits that I happen to like.

I think this is the hub of it and that this is actually the first time it's been expressed properly, although it seems many posters are trying to say the same thing.

It's about personal preference and perception. For example, my sister think I "dress up" more than she does. I wear different clothes to her. She tends to spend a lot of time in hoodies, jeans and trainers but then again, she has a few piercings, spends more time on her hair, wears more jewelry. As far as I can see we just prioritise different aspects of how we look.

star-pants · 20-01-2010 01:47PM

amacachi wrote: »

I'm not really arsed with this thread anymore, so I'll say this and leave it, 99% of the time I prefer women wearing very little or no make-up and plain clothes. I don't think they're "better" than other females, just that those things tend to be signs of personality traits that I happen to like.

I wasn't asking anyone to justify - I was merely curious. I found it interesting to see what different people thought.
As I said, it doesn't bother me, I have my own quirks regarding what I like/don't like and I wouldn't expect anyone to feel the same. And it doesn't mean anyone's 'better' than anyone else, we all have our own personal taste. I didn't mean to offend anyone by asking.

Jemmy · 20-01-2010 01:57PM

amacachi wrote: »

I'm not really arsed with this thread anymore, so I'll say this and leave it, 99% of the time I prefer women wearing very little or no make-up and plain clothes. I don't think they're "better" than other females, just that those things tend to be signs of personality traits that I happen to like.

You say your gone but anyway here goes...

I'm a girl who wears little or no makeup, little going out for a night and none at all day to day, and I wear plain clothes (as you put it) but I still love high heel shoes. It's nice to make the effort. So what are these personality traits your on about? I dont wear makeup, I don't wear mad fancy clothes but I like high heel shoes, so what does that make me according to your traits system?

OldGoat · 20-01-2010 02:25PM

We seem to be getting a little bogged down here, heels caught in the grate if you will. Lets move on.

Shinyboots · 20-01-2010 02:35PM

OldGoat wrote: »

We seem to be getting a little bogged down here, heels caught in the grate if you will. Lets move on.

yea, some serious stuff here!!!!

Sapsorrow · 20-01-2010 03:28PM

I think at the end of the day we all judge each other by our clothes. I have to admit if I see a girl going out with straightened bleached blonde hair, massive stilletos and a skirt bet up her arse then I'm more than likely going to think (a) dollybird or (b) slapper.

Thats my opinion and I'm entitled to it, at the same time they may look at me and go oh look at that scruffy hippy who can't be arsed making the effort and thats equally ok.

At the same time though most of us have the sense to see through these things when we meet people in everyday life, I have plenty of girlfriends who would fall into one or both of my two categories above if they were just randomers on the street but I still love them for who they are and I think the same would apply for finding people attractive.

A man may judge a girl for how shes dressed (and vice versa of course) on first appearances and go 'oh dollybird too prissy' or 'oh too trendy too tomboyish not into that' and dismiss them, but it's not to say that if they got to know each other through work or college etc that they would be able to find each other attractive later on or fall in love etc..

We all have our preferences in terms of style and appearances and some guys simply don't like the style that tends to accompany massicely high stilettos and that's fair enough, more than likely their style wouldn't appeal to the girls wearing them anyway. I for example cannot stand the brogs and checked shirts tucked into jeans look that you see around town on a saturday night everywhere, but they probably don't find me attractive either!

It's all primitive psychological stuff isn't it, identifying yourself with a stereotype (like a goth, emo, etc) of people that you generally are able to identify with on an emotional level also.

I think people are reading way to far into this, who cares if everyone doesn't find everyone else equally attractive!?

Herbal Deity · 20-01-2010 03:30PM

Jemmy wrote: »

You say your gone but anyway here goes...

I'm a girl who wears little or no makeup, little going out for a night and none at all day to day, and I wear plain clothes (as you put it) but I still love high heel shoes. It's nice to make the effort. So what are these personality traits your on about? I dont wear makeup, I don't wear mad fancy clothes but I like high heel shoes, so what does that make me according to your traits system?

Presumably, an aberration.

Snowie · 20-01-2010 03:52PM

I dont get this thread at all, long legs look really really good, even if there girls only 5.2, I know this to be the case granted there are some high heaels out there that look almost, porn star a like but then there are some that arnt i think if the woman can dress, and present her self well keeping cowardinated, then its a truly magnificant site to see....

I mean i dont nesscerelly find a woamn unattractive wearing a pair of sneakers but to be honest if she wants to wear them so be it, it hink its nearly as bad as saying I dont like her because shes ggot a cork ccent

Sapsorrow · 20-01-2010 04:24PM

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

I dont get this thread at all, long legs look really really good, even if there girls only 5.2, I know this to be the case granted there are some high heaels out there that look almost, porn star a like but then there are some that arnt i think if the woman can dress, and present her self well keeping cowardinated, then its a truly magnificant site to see....

I mean i dont nesscerelly find a woamn unattractive wearing a pair of sneakers but to be honest if she wants to wear them so be it, it hink its nearly as bad as saying I dont like her because shes ggot a cork ccent

This thread doesn't make any sense because TASTE IS SUBJECTIVE!
It's silly to expect everyone else to agree with our opinions or preferences. Im sure plenty of the high heal wearing girls would have ZERO interest in a guy going out looking like a hardcore goth!? There's nothing wrong with having a perference or finding certain styles unattractive we all do. At the same time stlye and image is simply more important for some people than others in tersm of finding someone attractive.
I'm also fairly sure I couldn't find a guy with a D4 accent attractive.

Snowie · 20-01-2010 04:42PM

khrystyna100 wrote: »

This thread doesn't make any sense because TASTE IS SUBJECTIVE!
It's silly to expect everyone else to agree with our opinions or preferences. Im sure plenty of the high heal wearing girls would have ZERO interest in a guy going out looking like a hardcore goth!? There's nothing wrong with having a perference or finding certain styles unattractive we all do. At the same time stlye and image is simply more important for some people than others in tersm of finding someone attractive.
I'm also fairly sure I couldn't find a guy with a D4 accent attractive.

Of course taset is subjective, some people cant dress with any sense of style, actuall cant cloth them self not matter what they wear or how hard they try!...

But your forgetting something men are different to women in one area, men find visual attractive women... , now, if you going to tell me a woman looks attractive in a christmas jumper pink legings and new rock boots then im sorry it could be pulkled of in some unusal way but, my god, not likely....

The fact of the matter is, all men find jackie deg attractive or eve mandays weather she wearing jeans or a tight fiting dress type thing....

If you where to tell me joe brand on the other hand can look attractive due to her taste in clothing id say your a lier.

Sapsorrow · 20-01-2010 07:21PM

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

If you where to tell me joe brand on the other hand can look attractive due to her taste in clothing id say your a lier.

Ok overall your post made very little sense but in response to your last statement, I can say that people don't have to be 'beautiful' to be attractive, attractiveness can be an amalgamation of dress sense, personality, persona and any other range of factors that appeal to ones own tastes.

God knows I've gone out with a few fella's who were really not good looking at all but they dressed really well and so looked well and sexy as a result none the less so how you dress can compensate for a lot.

I've also gone out with guys who had frankly the worst dress sense imaginable and two of them were drop dead gorgeous otherwise, but while they were great people and it did put me off how they dressed (and I didn't particularly like looking at them from the neck down) I loved them for who they were.

On the otherhand if a girl looks like a slapper or a trackie or a goth or as hippy or whatever (and thats not what you're into) no matter how beautiful they are you're not necessarily going to want to sleep with them (ie you may be able to appreciate the physical beauty of her face/body without actually fancying them), some men might others wouldn't simple as that.

You're trying to paint men with one brush here and I know for a fact that not all men are like that believe it or not some men might prefer a size 20 woman who wears the most horrible clothes out there but has got the best sense of humour they've ever come acrosss to someone with a size 8 butt, a great dress sense and the intelligence of a potato.

Like I said everyone's different, clothes matter more for some than others when it comes to determining someone's overall attractiveness. To thers the sexiest thing may be a sense of humour, confidence, persona etc..

Sapsorrow · 20-01-2010 07:33PM

star-pants wrote: »

I wasn't asking anyone to justify - I was merely curious. I found it interesting to see what different people thought.
As I said, it doesn't bother me, I have my own quirks regarding what I like/don't like and I wouldn't expect anyone to feel the same. And it doesn't mean anyone's 'better' than anyone else, we all have our own personal taste. I didn't mean to offend anyone by asking.

This sums the whole arguement up nicely.

Toes · 20-01-2010 08:43PM

A good looking girl in high heels is pretty hot, but i really love when girls wear flats/flip flops etc very cute!

Herbal Deity · 20-01-2010 08:50PM

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

Of course taset is subjective, some people cant dress with any sense of style, actuall cant cloth them self not matter what they wear or how hard they try!...

But your forgetting something men are different to women in one area, men find visual attractive women... , now, if you going to tell me a woman looks attractive in a christmas jumper pink legings and new rock boots then im sorry it could be pulkled of in some unusal way but, my god, not likely....

The fact of the matter is, all men find jackie deg attractive or eve mandays weather she wearing jeans or a tight fiting dress type thing....

If you where to tell me joe brand on the other hand can look attractive due to her taste in clothing id say your a lier.

Wait, what?

Your post can essentially be summed up with "Taste is subjective, but actually, taste isn't subjective"

...

Not all guys will necessarily find either of the two women you mentioned attractive.

Also, afaik you said you were dyslexic before, so I'm sympathetic towards your poor grammar and spelling, however, many of your posts verge on being incomprehensible. Might I suggest you copy and paste them into MS Word or an equvilent spelling and grammar checker before posting?

Sapsorrow · 20-01-2010 09:25PM

Herbal Deity wrote: »

Wait, what?

Your post can essentially be summed up with "Taste is subjective, but actually, taste isn't subjective"

I agree the poster contradicted himself completely within the space of two sentances.

Snowie · 20-01-2010 09:33PM

Im sorrryfor confusing you booth

unfortunatly i ant always get whats in my head out on to a keyboard.

Sapsorrow · 20-01-2010 10:09PM

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

Im sorrryfor confusing you booth

unfortunatly i ant always get whats in my head out on to a keyboard.

Fair enough, no need for an apology though! We're all here in the spirit of arguementativeness

Thomas828 · 20-01-2010 10:55PM

I'm just going to say what some others may have said. I don't like high heels. I don't think they're pretty and they don't add to a woman's sex appeal. In fact if you don't feel good in them then you're not going to look good. To me a barefoot woman is far more attractive than one in high heels.

That_Guy · 20-01-2010 11:23PM

Never mind if they look thrashy/slutty.

Something like this can't be good for your feet no matter how stylish they look.

This thread reminds me of that episode of the I.T Crowd when Jen gets new high heels that destroy her feet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9Ac4FXjsmQ

Women in high heels

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