Death Penalty for gangters ?? Why not ???

Reindeer · 19-01-2010 10:01AM

Pushtrak wrote: »

The criminal system should be about rehabilitation. Not an out of sight, out of mind mentality. I'm reluctant for the death penalty in a widespread form, but yes, there certainly exists a certain criminal mentality that ought to just be put out of our misery.

The best proven way to rehabilitate a serial criminal is to make them old. Keeping them out of sight for 20-30 years keeps them from committing crime during most of that time, and tends to strip away the stupidity of youth and replace it with the inability of age.

ChemOC · 19-01-2010 10:29AM

Spike island was used as a military and navy base until recently. When the army were still there the government wanted to turn it into a prison again. However it was stated that the conditions were inhumane for prisoners!!

Insane the government treats the criminal scumbags of this country better then the army. What a country.

Prof.Badass · 19-01-2010 10:53AM

Columbia wrote: »

As far as I'm concerned the moment you intentionally and premeditatively take the life of another person, you have given up your own right to life.

Read that sentence over and over again, maybe you'll spot the contradiciton.......

Herb Powell · 19-01-2010 06:46PM

D.R cowboy wrote: »

Those scum think they own the place right, they need a good kicking then the dead penalty, it's the only way us decent folk can leave in peace in Ireland I think it's time citizens(Irish) of this country were able to hand out a few beating now and then on buses and **** like where they are really annoying you.

This is dangerous

D.R cowboy wrote: »

Down with Irish scumbags should be a facebook group

But I agree with this:D

TheZohanS · 19-01-2010 06:56PM

stepbar wrote: »

What the fcuk are "Gangters"?

Not sure, but apparently some relative of Jesus wants to kill them, might be gang related.

Liam Byrne · 19-01-2010 07:01PM

Daroxtar wrote: »

The Death penalty is too likely to end up killing innocent people. A better solution would be to send in death squads to shoot half of finglas, crumlin, limerick and anyone assosciated with Jedward. No innocent victims and a stern warning to anyone thinking of acting the cúnt.

:rolleyes:

Can't comment on the areas of Dublin that you mentioned, but half of Limerick ?

Last statistic re the scum in this part of the country was less than 1% of the city population - I think - families/gangs included - put it at 300 scum out of a population of 125,000 - approx 0.2%

Since when does that translate to half ?

Question to self : is that enough of a "stern warning"....??

Liam Byrne · 19-01-2010 07:03PM

vinylmesh wrote: »

Read that sentence over and over again, maybe you'll spot the contradiciton.......

I don't see a contradiction, tbh.....the poster said that the initial scumbag had "given up their right to life", so no-one's "taking" their life by killing them.

poisonated · 19-01-2010 07:08PM

I voted yes but there would need to be absolutely no doubt that the person is guilty.I read a book based on a true story about a guy who was wrongly sent to death row.

Bandit12 · 19-01-2010 08:01PM

Yes as long as the bankers,pedo's and the green party are in the same bracket.;)

WeeBushy · 19-01-2010 08:48PM

poisonated wrote: »

I voted yes but there would need to be absolutely no doubt that the person is guilty.I read a book based on a true story about a guy who was wrongly sent to death row.

As I've said before on this thread, how can you bee 100% sure that a person is guilty, when human error is taken into consideration?

Dyr · 19-01-2010 09:40PM

Take a look at our conviction rates for murder, if the coppers can't catch the hoor's it doesn't really matter what the penalty is

Tchaikovsky · 20-01-2010 12:10AM

Workcamps in Leitrim.

ddef · 20-01-2010 12:51AM

I remember seeing a documentary of Irish prisons on primetime once,
And I remember my first thought looking at an inmates cotton duvet, flatscreen TV, ps3, football jerseys, DVD's and iPod: " if only my
Room was as nice as that.
As for death penalties, I think it would have to come down to the indvidual.
I.e: if it were some paedo priest i'd say burn the ****,
But if it was some lad who convicted by a jury 6-5, be a bit close to call for a
Death penalty.

Tchaikovsky · 20-01-2010 12:58AM

ddef wrote: »

But if it was some lad who convicted by a jury 6-5, be a bit close to call for a
Death penalty.

Golden goal extra time, maybe?

Antbert · 20-01-2010 07:50PM

I voted no, obviously. What an utterly barbaric thing to bring in.

I also don't think you should make prisons torture camps. I DO think that prison should be rehabilitation instead of punishment. And if I'm the victim one day, luckily I won't be on the jury so my biased opinion won't matter.

Now.

What I don't understand here at all, is this is specifically about gangsters. But as far as I can tell from the news, gangsters are murdering other gangsters. And since most of you seem to regard all these gangsters with the utmost contempt, I'm not sure why you're so bothered by this. I would tend towards thinking that anybody getting shot is a bad thing. So surely I should be more in favour of the death penalty than people who fly into a rage even thinking about these people.

Even though I don't agree with the death penalty for any circumstance, I at least see the logic behind it for someone who goes around murdering old ladies for fun. Of course, innocent people get caught in the crossfire of gangland murders. Just like innocent people being wrongly convicted I guess. Hmmmm.

And the mathematical error in the OP aside, you're disgusted with 100 murders if it's by gangsters, but if they're by the state, that's absolutely fine.

Pushtrak · 20-01-2010 07:55PM

Antbert wrote: »

I voted no, obviously. What an utterly barbaric thing to bring in.

I also don't think you should make prisons torture camps. I DO think that prison should be rehabilitation instead of punishment.

Yes, it should. But there does exist a certain criminal element that is beyond rehabilitation. One may think a convicted criminal has been rehabilitated, but then goes off and reoffends. In fairness, at some stage, the realisation that rehabilitation isn't working in this particular case should become apparent. I find the death penalty a terrible option, and it should be used as a measure of last resort, but it should be an option.

Antbert · 20-01-2010 08:08PM

Pushtrak wrote: »

I find the death penalty a terrible option, and it should be used as a measure of last resort, but it should be an option.

Why a resort at all? If as you say, someone can't be rehabilitated, and it is painfully obvious, why not just leave them imprisoned?

Pushtrak · 20-01-2010 08:11PM

Antbert wrote: »

Why a resort at all? If as you say, someone can't be rehabilitated, and it is painfully obvious, why not just leave them imprisoned?

Because I am too used to the idea of "life in prison" meaning Judge sentence - time off for good behaviour. Those who can not be rehabilitated are the nastiest of the nasty. The people who have nothing to offer by their existence.

Antbert · 20-01-2010 08:14PM

Pushtrak wrote: »

Because I am too used to the idea of "life in prison" meaning Judge sentence - time off for good behaviour. Those who can not be rehabilitated are the nastiest of the nasty. The people who have nothing to offer by their existence.

That's not what I said though. As it stands there's no death penalty, so let's forget about the actual real circumstances.

Why wouldn't you prefer ACTUAL life imprisonment over the death penalty?

Columbia · 05-02-2010 06:31PM

vinylmesh wrote: »

Read that sentence over and over again, maybe you'll spot the contradiciton.......

I spent at least 2 minutes reading the line over and over again for a logical contradiction, and as an English research student with a Philosophy background I was mortified that I couldn't see it!

Anyway, I get what you mean now, and that contradiction is your opinion.

Six percent of murderers who are released murder again within 6 years of their release, so I don't know how many thousands of innocent people have had to die because of people's notions about the "right to life" of those who take it from others, but since we are being forced by these murderers into making a choice on the matter, I frankly would rather execute the guilty in some humane way than have them go back onto the streets only for a significant number of them to kill people in horrible, painful and terrifying ways yet again.

we'llallhavetea_old · 05-02-2010 06:37PM

i think the death penalty is just too easy (and wrong), i think prison is too comfy for the feckers, take away all the luxuries they have and see how they like it then.

AudreyHepburn · 05-02-2010 06:45PM

In my opinion if we regress to the point where we allow ourselves the right to decide if a person lives or dies then we are really no better than the person being put to death.

I don't see why some people should be allowed to kill and others not.

Life in prison in a dingy jail cell is what any murder deserves.

Death is an easy way out for these people.

Morlar · 05-02-2010 06:50PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

In my opinion if we regress to the point where we allow ourselves the right to decide if a person lives or dies then we are really no better than the person being put to death.

I don't see why some people should be allowed to kill and others not.

Life in prison in a dingy jail cell is what any murder deserves.

Death is an easy way out for these people.

I don't agree that it would be regression to re-introduce the death penalty. I would support it for organised crime murders personally.

I am not sure I agree that prisoners currently live in dingy cells either.

If a 'Life' sentence meant Life in prison until you are dead then I would have considered voting no to this, the fact is that in Ireland in 2010 a Life sentence does not mean even remotely close to that.

Antbert · 06-02-2010 01:49PM

Morlar wrote: »

I don't agree that it would be regression to re-introduce the death penalty. I would support it for organised crime murders personally.

So you want the death penalty for gangsters who murder other gangsters. Essentially you want to murder people you don't give a **** about either way. Why not let them all kill each other and not have any state interference?

If a 'Life' sentence meant Life in prison until you are dead then I would have considered voting no to this, the fact is that in Ireland in 2010 a Life sentence does not mean even remotely close to that.

Eh... Since neither the death penalty OR actual life imprisonment seem to exist, why did you vote for the death penalty? Life imprisonment is a whole other issue entirely.

hooradiation · 06-02-2010 03:35PM

marcsignal wrote: »

Sheriff Joe Arpaio

The only people who think Sheriff Joe is "the man for the job" are people who haven't looked too closely at this shit of man.

basically, only a fool would salute this man and his horseshit.

Lux23 · 06-02-2010 03:39PM

KINGofHEARTS wrote: »

hi there guys,

having been reading the papers lately and in the last few days especially about the thug who shot the men dead in pearse house and the way he has shown utter contempt for the law has really pi$$ed me off, he pulled his trousers down to the judge and told him to "spank that hairy arse and suck it hard" ok so when he gets life then we have to put him in prison and pay 40 or 50 gand a year to keep him there,

Why not just bring back the death penalty and get rid of him and save the state a load of money,
the amount of murders in recent times is DISGRACEFUL... these guys think they can do wat they want, I'm sure if the death penalty was in they would think twice before stepping out to kill another human being, so far this year 6 people have been murdered,thats one every 3 days, if that was to carry on all year there would be over 1000 death's at the end of this year

Bring back the death penalty for these scum !!!

I would also include scum like Joe O'Reilly and that inbred scumbag Ronnie dunbar

These guys wouldn't be put off by the death penalty, if they are not put off by the fact they are quite likely to be murdered themselves by other gansters what makes you think the state murdering them would scare them? Gangbangers in LA who get the death penalty actually have a longer life expectancy then gang members who are still on the streets so that will tell how pointless introducing the death penalty would be.

I am amazed how many people have voted yes to this.

Antbert · 06-02-2010 03:42PM

Lux23 wrote: »

I am amazed how many people have voted yes to this.

*sigh*

You and me both.

Lux23 · 06-02-2010 03:44PM

Antbert wrote: »

*sigh*

You and me both.

Is it the recession bringing out the right wing in people. Half of the posters sound like they are writing articles in the Sun.

hooradiation · 06-02-2010 03:50PM

Lux23 wrote: »

Is it the recession bringing out the right wing in people. Half of the posters sound like they are writing articles in the Sun.

Please, After Hours IS the Sun, except the tits aren't limited to the third page.

Death Penalty for gangters ?? Why not ???

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