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Lotto All Or Nothing - 94 draws so far an no winner

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    I believe the odds of winning the normal lotto are 8145060\1.

    The odds of winning the all or nothing draw are 2704156\1.

    If my calculations are correct are you surprised there hasnt been a winner after 94 draws.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    Mark200 wrote: »
    Anyone who plays the lottery to win:

    You automatically consider everyone who plays the lotto to win as stupid. They do not understand the odds... Well most do understand the odds, but it's not a problem.

    I can understand that it is difficult for some extremely ignorant people to understand this, but this is the case.
    Mark200 wrote: »
    Have you started building your nuclear bunker yet?

    Because, there is a CHANCE that Ireland will be nuked to death, and the potential return is huge.

    :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    The bookies odds are far far better at winning something, even a few hundred quid. I don't know anyone who plays the National Lotto anymore bar the onlslaught of panic buying when the jackpot is rolled over a few billion times!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    gurramok wrote: »
    The bookies odds are far far better at winning something, even a few hundred quid. I don't know anyone who plays the National Lotto anymore bar the onlslaught of panic buying when the jackpot is rolled over a few billion times!

    If you consider this example,

    The usual odds for selecting 2 numbers in the 6 number lotto draw (excluding bonus) that are given by most bookmakers are 55\1.

    The actual odds are 66\1.

    They are guaranteed a one sixth profit become a number is drawn


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,342 ✭✭✭✭That_Guy


    OP you need Derren Brown.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,533 ✭✭✭SV


    Mark200 wrote: »
    Have you started building your nuclear bunker yet?

    Because, there is a CHANCE that Ireland will be nuked to death, and the potential return is huge.

    Yeah, well done.
    Enjoy work?


  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I havn't read any replies but I'm hoping someone else has pointed out just how little the All or Nothing draw is played.. That's why it's not being won.

    It's got alot better odds than the regular lotto but the regular lotto has a million extra lines played on it each week I'd say. I'd say the All or Nothing draw only has ten or twenty thousand lines played daily which makes sense that it hasn't been won.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,935 ✭✭✭Calibos


    I havn't read any replies but I'm hoping someone else has pointed out just how little the All or Nothing draw is played.. That's why it's not being won.

    It's got alot better odds than the regular lotto but the regular lotto has a million extra lines played on it each week I'd say. I'd say the All or Nothing draw only has ten or twenty thousand lines played daily which makes sense that it hasn't been won.

    Its selling so poorly that they are giving tickets away as a bonus prize on match 3's at the moment to try and promote it.

    I was sure it was going to be more popular than it has been because it plays on the players oft quoted moan, "Jaysus, I didn't even get one number" In All or Nothing, you win the Jackpot if you "don't even get one number". The clever idea of the game seems to have gone over most peoples head. :rolleyes:

    Another possible theory...I think maybe they shot themselves in the foot with it being a 7 day a week game though. They forgot the following psychology of Lotto players.

    Most people play both main lotto draws, ie Wednesday and Saturday. Hardly anyone just plays one or the other because they'd kick themselves if they only played on a Saturday but their numbers came up on the Wednesday. So they play both. Even players who play quickpicks and don't have to worry about 'Their' numbers coming up in a draw they didn't enter, mostly play both nights. "Sure its only another €4".

    Ditto with the Lotto Plus. Most people pay the extra for the plus because they know they would kill themselves if their numbers came up in the Plus 1/2 draws but they had only entered their numbers in the main draw. This obviously applies to both 'my Special numbers' players and quickpick players.

    However with All or Nothing being on every night, that kind of psychology of players means they would need to invest 7x€2=€14 minumum a week. Ironically the name of the game is very apt. People look at the €14 'minimum'
    outlay and say to themselves, "I either play All of these AON draws or I play None of them. I either have to give the Lotto another €14 of my money every week or I don't play this game and give them nothing. At least this way I don't have to worry about my numbers coming up on a night I didn't play.

    Seems most people in these recessionary times have decided not to play. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,740 ✭✭✭Naos


    You can always view the lotto as a form of charity, considering funds to go various organisations such as:

    Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government
    Department of Education and Science
    Department of Arts, Sports and Tourism
    Arts Council
    Department of Health and Children
    HSE
    Department of Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs

    So it's a form of charity, sorta. With a potenial lump sum for all your do-gooding.

    In saying that I felt lucky last Saturday, spent a tenner on the lotto (never do it) and didn't win :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,758 ✭✭✭Stercus Accidit


    SV wrote: »
    Yeah, well done.
    Enjoy work?

    How classy.

    The lottery is a tax on those who don't understand the odds, they have to pay out to the odd pleb to keep the others interested.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,533 ✭✭✭SV


    How classy.

    The lottery is a tax on those who don't understand the odds, they have to pay out to the odd pleb to keep the others interested.

    lol, you don't have a clue who I am or who any of my family are so eh..keep your pleb comments to yourself there like a good chap.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 887 ✭✭✭suitseir


    As the thread suggest - 94 draws etc. - and the amount of money invested in the winning numbers was in the region of 94 Euro for Saturday's winning draw!

    The winner of the Lotto was just on Liveline and said that over the weeks she has been listening to Liveline and is aware of the charities that are in need and those in need in recent days. Nice to know.

    She and her family and friends are on their way to collect the cheque! So much for all the talk about odds etc. Well, the odds worked for her and they were numbers chosen.

    Cool!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,758 ✭✭✭Stercus Accidit


    SV wrote: »
    lol, you don't have a clue who I am or who any of my family are so eh..keep your pleb comments to yourself there like a good chap.

    You certainly come across as a pleb, wasn't the implication that you won some money?

    Related to Dolores?

    "Enjoy work" lol, enjoy sponging.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,533 ✭✭✭SV


    You certainly come across as a pleb, wasn't the implication that you won some money?

    Related to Dolores?

    "Enjoy work" lol, enjoy sponging.

    I've won some myself alright.
    As have many members of my family.
    Not a pleb though, and I still work ;)

    lol, yeah ok. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 51 ✭✭Faithless


    The lotto is a scam just like those late night TV quizzes.

    All that money going to waste, how on Earth can TV producers sit around watching middle aged men and women crawl over to "Diamond Tables" and spins wheels worth hundreds of thousands without answering one question?

    Who in their right mind would find that even remotely interesting? That's like asking someone to pick a colour because green is worth 10euro and blue is worth 15euro...no questions. Winning Streak is a shame, I remember when winning big actually meant something, like Who Wants To Be A Millionaire - now that was a real game, until Gay Burne did the Irish version, then it went under.


  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The lottery is a tax on those who don't understand the odds, they have to pay out to the odd pleb to keep the others interested.

    What's wrong with the odd four euro every now and then? Are you really that tight with your money?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 Fanthomas


    Iam a regular player of all or nothing.Does anybody know why over the last few days they doubled all the winnings but today they had returned to the old ones?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Mark200 wrote: »
    I remember a member on here referring to it before as an "idiot tax"

    I bet all the millionaires it's created feel real stupid and cry every night because people on the internet think they are idiots.


    People spend huge amounts more on obviously rigged things like horse racing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Naos wrote: »
    You can always view the lotto as a form of charity, considering funds to go various organisations such as:

    Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government
    Department of Education and Science
    Department of Arts, Sports and Tourism
    Arts Council
    Department of Health and Children
    HSE
    Department of Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs

    So it's a form of charity, sorta. (

    People have some funny ideas on what constuitutes "charity"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,763 ✭✭✭Sheeps


    You're less likely to win the All or Nothing than you are the regular lottery. I don't understand why people actually play it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,265 ✭✭✭DubTony


    Fanthomas wrote: »
    Iam a regular player of all or nothing.Does anybody know why over the last few days they doubled all the winnings but today they had returned to the old ones?

    They're required by law to pay back a percentage of all sales in winnings. This is how they do it. They double prizes to get rid of some of the excess.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭alex73


    The game has been going daily for the last 4 months and nobody have ever won the top prize, I know the odds are slim, but atleast with the lotto there are winners. The game seems like a dead duck, even the runner up prize of 5000 euros is not won every day. They should roll over the jackpot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,214 ✭✭✭wylo


    Sheeps wrote: »
    You're less likely to win the All or Nothing than you are the regular lottery. I don't understand why people actually play it.
    no your not , the odds are much lower on this than the regular lotto.
    roughly, its about 1.5 million/1 I think, and the regular lotto is roughly about 5.2 million/1
    No ones winning this because no ones doing it obviously.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,214 ✭✭✭wylo


    alex73 wrote: »
    The game has been going daily for the last 4 months and nobody have ever won the top prize, I know the odds are slim, but atleast with the lotto there are winners. The game seems like a dead duck, even the runner up prize of 5000 euros is not won every day. They should roll over the jackpot.
    If you take the numbers of people doing the normal lotto compare to the numbers of people doing this one, its obvious why no one is winning it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 110 ✭✭mbarosin


    The chances of any one line winning this is 0.000000739602 or to put it another way 1 in 1,352,078.

    The cost per line is €2, but the amount of money that on average you win from each line is only €0.37 (0.000000739602 * €500,000).
    So basically by buying a ticket, you are pissing away €1.63 for every line.


    The jackpot prize for the lotto gives you an expected loss of €1.09 per line. That doesn't even take into account money you can win from matching 5 plus bonus etc. So clearly it's a lot better than the all or nothing game which does seem like an huge rip-off!!

    Yes, I am a nerd.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,180 ✭✭✭Sarn


    As pointed out earlier there was a top prize winner on the 30th October and 11th November.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭alex73


    Sarn wrote: »
    As pointed out earlier there was a top prize winner on the 30th October and 11th November.

    Ok, I stand corrected, there has been 2 winners.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,337 ✭✭✭aphex™


    Somebody just won it there...


  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    alex73 wrote: »
    The game has been going daily for the last 4 months and nobody have ever won the top prize, I know the odds are slim, but atleast with the lotto there are winners. The game seems like a dead duck, even the runner up prize of 5000 euros is not won every day. They should roll over the jackpot.

    Think about what you've wrote... My god, it hurts my head sometimes to read stuff like this.


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