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Taliban - "Holy Crap, I've Been Shot By A Jesus Rifle" LOL

  • 19-01-2010 10:45AM
    #1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭


    Ever hold/fire an American semi-automatic and wonder how the serial numbers come about?
    Read on! :pac:

    U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus' Bible Codes

    Coded references to New Testament Bible passages about Jesus Christ are inscribed on high-powered rifle sights provided to the United States military by a Michigan company, an ABC News investigation has found.

    The sights are used by U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the training of Iraqi and Afghan soldiers. The maker of the sights, Trijicon, has a $660 million multi-year contract to provide up to 800,000 sights to the Marine Corps, and additional contracts to provide sights to the U.S. Army.
    U.S. military rules specifically prohibit the proselytizing of any religion in Iraq or Afghanistan and were drawn up in order to prevent criticism that the U.S. was embarked on a religious "Crusade" in its war against al Qaeda and Iraqi insurgents.

    One of the citations on the gun sights, 2COR4:6, is an apparent reference to Second Corinthians 4:6 of the New Testament, which reads: "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."

    Other references include citations from the books of Revelation, Matthew and John dealing with Jesus as "the light of the world." John 8:12, referred to on the gun sights as JN8:12, reads, "Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."
    Trijicon confirmed to ABCNews.com that it adds the biblical codes to the sights sold to the U.S. military. Tom Munson, director of sales and marketing for Trijicon, which is based in Wixom, Michigan, said the inscriptions "have always been there" and said there was nothing wrong or illegal with adding them. Munson said the issue was being raised by a group that is "not Christian." The company has said the practice began under its founder, Glyn Bindon, a devout Christian from South Africa who was killed in a 2003 plane crash.

    'It violates the Constitution'
    The company's vision is described on its Web site: "Guided by our values, we endeavor to have our products used wherever precision aiming solutions are required to protect individual freedom." "We believe that America is great when its people are good," says the Web site. "This goodness has been based on Biblical standards throughout our history, and we will strive to follow those morals."

    Spokespeople for the U.S. Army and the Marine Corps both said their services were unaware of the biblical markings. They said officials were discussing what steps, if any, to take in the wake of the ABCNews.com report. It is not known how many Trijicon sights are currently in use by the U.S. military.

    The biblical references appear in the same type font and size as the model numbers on the company's Advanced Combat Optical Guides, called the ACOG.

    A photo on a Department of Defense Web site shows Iraqi soldiers being trained by U.S. troops with a rifle equipped with the bible-coded sights.
    "It's wrong, it violates the Constitution, it violates a number of federal laws," said Michael "Mikey" Weinstein of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, an advocacy group that seeks to preserve the separation of church and state in the military.

    'Firearms of Jesus Christ'
    "It allows the Mujahedeen, the Taliban, al Qaeda and the insurrectionists and jihadists to claim they're being shot by Jesus rifles," he said. Weinstein, an attorney and former Air Force officer, said many members of his group who currently serve in the military have complained about the markings on the sights. He also claims they've told him that commanders have referred to weapons with the sights as "spiritually transformed firearm of Jesus Christ."

    He said coded biblical inscriptions play into the hands of "those who are calling this a Crusade."

    According to a government contracting watchdog group, fedspending.org, Trijicon had more than $100 million in government contracts in fiscal year 2008. The Michigan company won a $33 million Pentagon contract in July, 2009 for a new machine gun optic, according to Defense Industry Daily. The company's earnings from the U.S. military jumped significantly after 2005, when it won a $660 million long-term contract to supply the Marine Corps with sights.
    "This is probably the best example of violation of the separation of church and state in this country," said Weinstein. "It's literally pushing fundamentalist Christianity at the point of a gun against the people that we're fighting. We're emboldening an enemy."

    Source: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-military-weapons-inscribed-secret-jesus-bible-codes/story?id=9575794&page=1


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Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 850 ✭✭✭Instant Karma


    Gott mit uns


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭MaybeLogic


    Religious fundamentalists in charge of the industrial/military complex?
    God help us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,178 ✭✭✭✭NothingMan


    It would all just be better if they had these guys.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    Please don't turn this into an America bashing thread.

    You can comment on the military and the law makers but lets not start bitchin' about all Americans.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 76 ✭✭ChemOC


    Boom!!! Christ Shot!


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    TheZohan wrote: »
    Please don't turn this into an America bashing thread.

    You can comment on the military and the law makers but lets not start bitchin' about all Americans.

    Agreed. Not my intention at all.
    Thought it was an interesting quirky fact of the battles with the nutty Taliban.
    Lord knows (oops, better not say that - O' too late :( ) they don't need another excuse to go even wackier.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 591 ✭✭✭sidneykidney


    Am i right in thinking that if your being shot at,your really NOT thinking...."ohhhh i wonder what the serial number on that gun is"....:o


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 76 ✭✭ChemOC


    Am i right in thinking that if your being shot at,your really NOT thinking...."ohhhh i wonder what the serial number on that gun is"....:o

    Agreed, but the Taliban will clearly use this as a method of encouraging Jihad and further bloodshed in Afghanistan. It would be quite easy to recruit young men with this sort of Sh*ie The Taliban have no respect for life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,584 ✭✭✭c - 13


    Would make a great promotional video for the military

    *Bang*
    Brawny Soldier: "The power of christ compels you motherf*cker"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,310 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    "It's wrong, it violates the Constitution, it violates a number of federal laws," said Michael "Mikey" Weinstein of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, an advocacy group that seeks to preserve the separation of church and state in the military.
    Eh, no. It doens't violate the US Constitution. Also, the money Trijicon received for these did have "In God We Trust." on it... :D

    In God We Trust :P


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  • Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This just shows how easy it is to make randon serial/part numbers mean something the manufacturers didn't intend.

    /thread


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭MaybeLogic


    This just shows how easy it is to make randon serial/part numbers mean something the manufacturers didn't intend.

    /thread

    It says in the report the company intentionally put the biblical quotes there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    MaybeLogic wrote: »
    Religious fundamentalists in charge of the industrial/military complex?
    God help us.

    In charge of the world more like it...


    Religions, there should be an outright ban on all religions... simple as.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭Buford T Justice


    This just shows how easy it is to make randon serial/part numbers mean something the manufacturers didn't intend.

    /thread

    Yeah, Conspiracy theory anyone?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    Gott mit uns

    During WWI they used to shout back 'Yeah We got kittens too'
    ChemOC wrote: »
    Boom!!! Christ Shot!
    :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    I was under the impression that the US government claimed to be a secular state, and it is also pretty hypocritical of a government that claims to be fighting a war against Religous extremism, to have there weapons covered in Biblical quotes, and not to mention it is a massive propoganda own goal. The Taliban and other Islamist extremists groups can easily use this as evidence of the US's crusade against Muslims, and get more people to fight for them.

    So basically, anyway you look at it, the entire thing is incredibly stupid, and may even cost the lives of US soliders, by increasing the ranks of the people there fighting.

    Honestly, I would have taught the US government and military would be smarter than this, especially after the mess that was the Iraq war, when they were looking for imaginary WMDs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭MaybeLogic


    In charge of the world more like it...


    Religions, there should be an outright ban on all religions... simple as.

    Amen to that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭MaybeLogic


    wes wrote: »
    I was under the impression that the US government claimed to be a secular state, and it is also pretty hypocritical of a government that claims to be fighting a war against Religous extremism, to have there weapons covered in Biblical quotes, and not to mention it is a massive propoganda own goal. The Taliban and other Islamist extremists groups can easily use this as evidence of the US's crusade against Muslims, and get more people to fight for them.

    So basically, anyway you look at it, the entire thing is incredibly stupid, and may even cost the lives of US soliders, by increasing the ranks of the people there fighting.

    Honestly, I would have taught the US government and military would be smarter than this, especially after the mess that was the Iraq war, when they were looking for imaginary WMDs.

    It's probably permitted to inflame passions on the other side thus perpetuating the conflict,which enriches the pockets and feeds the savagery of those in charge.


  • Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    wes wrote: »
    I was under the impression that the US government claimed to be a secular state, and it is also pretty hypocritical of a government that claims to be fighting a war against Religous extremism, to have there weapons covered in Biblical quotes, and not to mention it is a massive propoganda own goal. The Taliban and other Islamist extremists groups can easily use this as evidence of the US's crusade against Muslims, and get more people to fight for them.

    So basically, anyway you look at it, the entire thing is incredibly stupid, and may even cost the lives of US soliders, by increasing the ranks of the people there fighting.

    Honestly, I would have taught the US government and military would be smarter than this, especially after the mess that was the Iraq war, when they were looking for imaginary WMDs.

    I don't think the US has ever been secular, after all the phrase "in god we trust" is the official motto of the US.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭MaybeLogic


    I don't think the US has ever been secular, after all the phrase "in god we trust" is very prominant on the US seal.

    I think the original constitution was secular ,and it was certainly the intention of the Founding Fathers that the nation be secular, but this notion has been usurped over the years by the fundamentalists.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    MaybeLogic wrote: »
    It's probably permitted to inflame passions on the other side thus perpetuating the conflict,which enriches the pockets and feeds the savagery of those in charge.

    Well, I would think that in theory at least that the US government and miltary, wouldn't want more of there soldiers being killed, but stuff like this make me genuinelly question there commitment to the safety of there own troops. I already know there not too bothered about other people, but to put there own soldiers in danger for no good reason like this is ether like you say to perpetuate the conflict, or sheer incopetence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,267 ✭✭✭✭GavRedKing


    A big meh from me anyway, if its not the solider's personally decorating there guns with slogans I dont see how the U.S. Army can be held accountable if the sight manfacturer has put this on scopes/optics.

    Bad press for the U.S. Army, yes, blaming them for the religious meanings on the equipment, no.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    I don't think the US has ever been secular, after all the phrase "in god we trust" is the official motto of the US.

    I was under the impression that the "In God We Trust" business was an up yours of sorts to communists, that just kind of stuck.

    However, I taught the US at least claimed to be largely secular, albeit with some contradictions like the above, and was effectively in the Middle East, figting in the name of secular democracy.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Its a bit ironic to be honest.
    Chances are, the Taliban have gotten hold of some of the same weapons at some stage.
    I can't see them not using them still.

    The codes could be enscribed on anything from tv's to condoms (cum to think of it - the latter would be funny!)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    the_syco wrote: »
    Eh, no. It doens't violate the US Constitution. Also, the money Trijicon received for these did have "In God We Trust." on it... :D

    In God We Trust :P

    Hope youre not giving out about that, that quotation saved kris kringle!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    TheZohan wrote: »
    Please don't turn this into an America bashing thread.
    Damn Christians, I hate them ;)


    In general a bit stupid but the numbers have been there since the start of the company.
    I think they should remove them though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    wes wrote: »
    I was under the impression that the "In God We Trust" business was an up yours of sorts to communists, that just kind of stuck.

    However, I taught the US at least claimed to be largely secular, albeit with some contradictions like the above, and was effectively in the Middle East, figting in the name of secular democracy.

    I think that's been around a lot longer than communism.

    The motto aside, the US is secular.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭MaybeLogic


    Biggins wrote: »

    The codes could be enscribed on anything from tv's to condoms (cum to think of it - the latter would be funny!)

    Something about 'entering paradise' would be appropriate.:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,607 ✭✭✭✭sceptre


    wes wrote: »
    I was under the impression that the "In God We Trust" business was an up yours of sorts to communists, that just kind of stuck.
    Yes and no. It was adopted officially as the national motto in 1956. In 1955 Congress mandated that it appear on all coins and notes and specifically mentioned putting it on to remind people that the US trusts in God. But it had been on most coins since 1864. Religion was big during the civil war. So it had been around for about 100 years, then they pushed it as an up yours to communists and since it's officially been the motto.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,178 ✭✭✭✭NothingMan


    Biggins wrote: »
    The codes could be enscribed on anything from tv's to condoms (cum to think of it - the latter would be funny!)

    That just gave me an idea. Put books in Braille on condoms. Then if prostitutes can learn to read with their vaginas they'd be able study while they work and perhaps one day they can get out of the prostitution racket.


    Patent Pending!


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