school policy for being sent home

RealJohn · 18-01-2010 11:58PM

OP, no offence but this sounds like absolute rubbish to me.
First of all, if this is about "your friend's kid", why are you so concerned about it? Why isn't your friend posting? Clearly, they're aware of this since you're updating at pretty short notice.

What age is the kid?

No school is going to send a kid home at the drop of a hat because, as has already been pointed out several times, if something happens to that kid on the way home, the school won't have a leg to stand on.

If this story is true, which I don't believe but let's say it is, the next step is that the parents should contact the board of management because they'll definitely want to know if the principal is sending kids home for almost nothing as, like I said, the school is likely to get in trouble. Maybe the principal just doesn't care for some personal reason but you can be sure the board will.

Failing that, I'm sure you can find Joe Duffy's number. Or Ray D'Arcy's. They're both friends of the "downtrodden little man" so I'm sure they'll be happy to help your friends in their hour of need.

Seriously though, either you're not telling us the whole story or they're not telling you the whole story or, and this is most likely in my opinion, the whole story is complete rubbish.

rainbowtrout · 19-01-2010 12:15AM

Package wrote: »

thanks guys,, im not sure what school it is. and the parent has had a few meetings with the school. to no avail.

im not totally sure of the ins and outs and im sure there may be more than meets the eye on this one.

i will do a bit more delving and even sit in on the next meeting im sure is to be had and i will let you all know any further developments..

I'd echo a lot of what RealJohn said in the previous post...

OP - if you are not the child's parent or guardian why would you have the right to attend a meeting between the parent and principal. It just doesn't happen.

I'm a teacher myself and I'd say the following:

All schools have a school policy signed by students and parents when they first enter the school. School rules are clearly laid out in the policy and the consequences for breaking the school rules. It is quite possible that the student has contravened these rules on numerous occasions to warrant being sent home.

Assuming you're not the parent, you may not be getting the full story from your friend. I live in the town I teach in and from time to time I hear stories back about students who were 'kicked out of class' or are 'being picked on by the principal' and often the people telling the story have only heard half of the story.

I had a bizarre situation last year where a student on the PLC course that I teach and co-ordinate went home and told his parents that I and the principal had kicked him off the course for non-completion of project work. I was told this when I rang the house when he had been absent for a few days. He failed to tell them that the class had been spoken to as a group about project work and nobody was singled out or asked to leave. Yet the story his mother was putting about town was that we had kicked him out and as a result he had lost his grant, his only source of income.

I wouldn't be so quick to judge until I had heard the full facts of the story

TheDriver · 19-01-2010 01:03AM

Every child is different and sounds like the whole story is not being told. I see children in my school and their parents will believe everything they say and its never their fault and blame the school for everything. Its extremely rare that schools do things off a whim and for no reason so I suspect there is a lot lot more than meets the eye.
My poor Johnny and Mary is being picked on by the teacher starts coming to mind. I would like to see an open meeting with all parties involved as that usually brings out the truth and usually sees not much outcome except a few empty promises of better behaviour

ScumLord · 19-01-2010 01:04AM

RealJohn wrote: »

First of all, if this is about "your friend's kid", why are you so concerned about it? Why isn't your friend posting? Clearly, they're aware of this since you're updating at pretty short notice.

Maybe the friends illiterate?

My name is URL · 19-01-2010 01:10AM

Nice level of support and understanding being shown by the teachers posting here, absolutely no reason for anyone to think that schools are failing the youth more and more

vocation me hole tbh

Overheal · 19-01-2010 02:37AM

TheDriver wrote: »

Every child is different and sounds like the whole story is not being told. I see children in my school and their parents will believe everything they say and its never their fault and blame the school for everything. Its extremely rare that schools do things off a whim and for no reason so I suspect there is a lot lot more than meets the eye.
My poor Johnny and Mary is being picked on by the teacher starts coming to mind. I would like to see an open meeting with all parties involved as that usually brings out the truth and usually sees not much outcome except a few empty promises of better behaviour

You know, its definitely true. You'll always hear classmates griping between classes. "All the teachers have it out for me" bla bla bla. These are the same kids who are messing in the back of classes, throwing papers, walking into classrooms late, getting suspensions for starting fights, etc.

Thats not to say teacher discrimination doesnt happen, but its certainly less than the reported average as told by the students.

jimmycrackcorm · 19-01-2010 02:55AM

Package wrote: »

especially since he goes to school in town and lives in ballymun,,,

Well - is there any point sending him to school at all then?

TheZohanS · 19-01-2010 03:02AM

My name is URL wrote: »

Nice level of support and understanding being shown by the teachers posting here, absolutely no reason for anyone to think that schools are failing the youth more and more

vocation me hole tbh

Couldn't agree more. True some teachers are very good at their jobs, but you have a hell of a lot of cretins out there "teaching" that should not be allowed "teach" anyone.

Glico Man · 19-01-2010 03:17AM

TheZohan wrote: »

Couldn't agree more. True some teachers are very good at their jobs, but you have a hell of a lot of cretins out there "teaching" that should not be allowed "teach" anyone.

The P.E teachers that end up teaching maths springs to mind

rainbowtrout · 19-01-2010 11:51AM

aaronh007 wrote: »

The P.E teachers that end up teaching maths springs to mind

PE and Maths is a recognised teaching qualification in this country...

djk1000 · 19-01-2010 12:01PM

Maybe this kid disrupts every class he's in. The staff look for any excuse to exclude him for a day because they can't expel him. If he's not there, maybe other students can then get the education they deserve.

No way in hell would a student be sent home for being 2 minutes late, unless there is an underlying reason.

Package · 19-01-2010 03:19PM

RealJohn wrote: »

First of all, if this is about "your friend's kid", why are you so concerned about it? Why isn't your friend posting? Clearly, they're aware of this since you're updating at pretty short notice.

What age is the kid?

"your friends kid" ??? no, its my kid

if it was my kid, i would know what school it was for sure and i would actually say it was my kid. they are not aware, hence my lack of knowledge about the whole thing. and my friend is not posting because she doesnt have a boards account. and the kid is 14

RealJohn wrote: »

If this story is true, which I don't believe but let's say it is

now what do you mean by that,,, do you really think people are so sad to make up **** like this. i have enough public interaction in my job, i dont need to live a pseudo life online. the fact is, i dont know too much about it so i have information in the 3rd, so its all just heresay at the moment.

rainbowtrout wrote: »

if you are not the child's parent or guardian why would you have the right to attend a meeting between the parent and principal. It just doesn't happen.

well, im less likely to take **** from both sides, ie. the principle and the kid, lets say i could act as a more efficient meidator than the parent.

Overheal wrote: »

You'll always hear classmates griping between classes. "All the teachers have it out for me" bla bla bla. These are the same kids who are messing in the back of classes, throwing papers, walking into classrooms late, getting suspensions for starting fights, etc..

yeah i agree with this,, maybe im not being told the whole story, every story has 2 sides and im just hearing one at the moment, and that is why i want to sit in on a meeting. its absurd that people come on here and say people are making up the story or what have ya, jesus some actual "constructive" comments is whats needed, not "ah your making it up", god damn it.

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Well - is there any point sending him to school at all then?

suppose that made me laugh, but im from ballymun and i have an education and a brain, and a very functionable on at that thank you very much.

TheZohan wrote: »

True some teachers are very good at their jobs, but you have a hell of a lot of cretins out there "teaching" that should not be allowed "teach" anyone.

true,,, theres a teacher that drinks in my place, and she may have a degree in whatever she teaches but she has to be one of the most pig ignorant and annoying aul ****es i have ever had the displeasure to meet

anyway, thanks for the replies. i agree with most of it, maybe there is an underlying reason for this, albeit second hand information, unfair behaviour on the schools part, but hopefully we will get to the bottom of it.:cool:

walshb · 19-01-2010 03:22PM

Package wrote: »

ok, im not sure where to put this,,

quick question,,,

a friends son keeps getting sent home from school for every little thing. ok, he is not the best student in the world, but stuff like

forgetting his book,, sent home,,, late by 2 minutes, sent home,,, loads of other things i cant go into now for time reasons..

but when he turns up late by 2 minutes with 2 other lads and they are allowed into school and he is the only one sent home for being late is not acceptable in my book.?

especially since he goes to school in town and lives in ballymun,,,

what is the policy for being sent home....

or where could i find information on it

If this can be verified then the child has a very good case to pursue. Someone at that school is seriously taking the piss. Okay, for certain misdemeanors it is acceptable to send a pupil home, but this seems like absolute victimization.

Overheal · 19-01-2010 03:56PM

yeah i agree with this,, maybe im not being told the whole story, every story has 2 sides and im just hearing one at the moment, and that is why i want to sit in on a meeting. its absurd that people come on here and say people are making up the story or what have ya, jesus some actual "constructive" comments is whats needed, not "ah your making it up", god damn it.

Its highly unlikely that multiple teachers would conspire to fabricate complete lies against a student anyhow, and I've heard that accusation many times from students. Its a pretty safe bet if 5 out of 7 teachers can vouch for his delinquency. I dont like the sound of the faculty though if up to now they havent been able to take the parent's phone calls.

jd007 · 19-01-2010 05:14PM

aaronh007 wrote: »

The P.E teachers that end up teaching maths springs to mind

My geography teacher in school also taught PE but I thought she was a really good teacher. There was certainly other subjects though where the teacher was pathetic.

spurious · 19-01-2010 05:57PM

OP - when your child was enrolled, did you sign the school's behaviour policy?
Did you not get a copy of it?

To be fair, if it has reached the stage where he/she is being sent home, in the policies of most schools that would only kick in way past the odd late or occasional forgotten book.

Were you called into a meeting at all? Did he/she change his behaviour or just continue to come late etc.?

school policy for being sent home

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